03/22/2011 7:10PM

New Beyer Record, Tons of Questions

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Fast debut races run in MACLEAN'S MUSIC's family. 

His sire, Distorted Humor, won his career debut as a 3-year-old of 1996, taking a six-furlong maiden special weight at Gulfstream Park by 5 1/2 lengths with an 86 Beyer. 

His dam, Forest Music, scored first-out at Laurel as a juvenile filly of 2003.  She won her six-furlong maiden special weight  by eight lengths with a 105 Beyer.  Forest Music would go on to prevail in the Grade 2 Honorable Miss Handicap at six furlongs at Saratoga.

Forest Music's half-brother, Shooter, won his juvenile debut going 5 1/2 furlongs at Monmouth in 2000.  The margin was 8 1/4 lenghs and the Beyer settled at 89.  Shooter won the Grade 3 Sapling at six furlongs in his second start.

Forest Music's sire, Unbridled's Song, the Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner of 1995, dominated his debut going six furlongs at Saratoga by 8 1/2 lengths with a 92 Beyer.

Maclean's Music eclipsed them all.  A $900,000 RNA as a yearling, the 3-year-old colt zipped six furlongs in 1:07.44 at Santa Anita on Saturday afternoon, receiving a 114 Beyer, the highest debut number since the speed figures were published in Daily Racing Form.

It's safe to say that we can add another fast 3-year-old to the list of talented sophomores.

Here are the top 25 winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's races (March 14 - March 20):

1.  Maclean's Music - 114 - Md Sp Wt 55k - 6 Furlongs - Santa Anita
2.  Hilda's Passion - 108 - Inside Information Stakes (G2) - 7 Furlongs - Gulfstream
3.  Chief of Affairs - 106 - Hot Springs Stakes - 6 Furlongs - Oaklawn
4.  Havre de Grace - 105 - Azeri Stakes (G3) - 1 1/16 Miles - Oaklawn
5.  The Factor - 103 - Rebel Stakes (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles - Oaklawn
6.  Bridgetown - 98 - Alw 66400NC - 5 Furlongs (Turf) - Gulfstream
6.  Saint Isabelle - 98 -  OC 62k/N2X-N - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Santa Anita
8.  Decelerator - 97 - OC 50k/C-N - 1 Mile - Oaklawn
8.  Mindy Queen  - 97 - OC 50k/N3X-N - 6 Furlongs - Hawthorne
8.  Regally Ready - 97 - Joe Hernandez Stakes - 6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - Santa Anita
11. Digger - 96 - OC 50k/N2X - 6 Furlongs (Inner Track) - Aqueduct
11. Irrefutable - 96 - Alw 62940N2X - 6 Furlongs - Santa Anita
11. Movin' Out - 96 - Bensalem Stakes - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Parx
14. Doubles Partner - 95 - Tampa Bay Stakes (G3) - 1 1 1/6 Miles (Turf) - Tampa Bay
14. Mildly Offensive - 95 - Santa Paula Stakes - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Santa Anita
16. Future Prospect - 94 - OC 40k/N2X - 6 1/2 Furlongs (Polytrack) - Turfway
17. Carbon Hoofprint (GB) - 93 - Alw 40000s - 6 Furlongs (Tapeta) - Golden Gate
17. Juniper Pass - 93 - San Luis Rey Stakes (G3) - 1 1/2 Miles - Santa Anita
19. La Reine Lionne - 92 - Alw 25000s -  1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - Gulfstream
19. Leavenworth - 92 - Clm 20000(20-15)N3L - 6 Furlongs - Gulfstream
19. Malibu Pier - 92 - Santa Ana Stakes (G2) - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - Santa Anita
19. Silver Magnus - 92 - OC 16k/N1X-N - 6 Furlongs - Oaklawn
23. Bandbox - 91 - Private Terms Stakes - 1 Mile - Laurel
23. Frazil - 91 - Hcp 10000s - 1 Mile 70 Yards (Inner Track) - Aqueduct
23. Strategic Move - 91 - Alw 50000s - 6 Furlongs (Inner Track) - Aqueduct

Maclean's Music's past performance line is available at the bottom of this blog post.

Who do you think gave the best performance last week?  Mike Beer and I give our opinions, and you can vote at the below link:

http://www.drf.com/news/weekend-stakes-preview-videos

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Here are the top Beyers from the previous week (March 3 - March 13):

1.  Tackleberry - 103 - Gulfstream Park Handicap (G2) - 1 Mile - Gulfstream
2.  Caixa Eletronica - 102 - OC c-62k/N2X - 1 Mile - Gulfstream
3.  Amazing - 100 - OC 100k/C-N - 1 1/8 Miles - Gulfstream
3.  Inherit the Gold - 100 - King's Point Stakes - 1 1/8 Miles (Inner Dirt) - Aqueduct
3.  Ryehill Dreamer (Ire) - 100 - Alw 67180N3X - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - Santa Anita
6.  Eagle Putt - 96 - OC 40k/N2X-N - 5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - Fair Grounds
6.  Miss Match (Arg) - 96 - Santa Margarita Stakes (G1) - 1 1/8 Miles - Santa Anita
6.  Premier Pegasus - 96 - San Felipe Stakes (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles - Santa Anita
6.  Successful Mission - 96 - Alw 53400C - 1 Mile (Turf) - Gulfstream
10.  Denomination - 94 - Hillsborough Stakes (G3) - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - Tampa Bay
10.  Hermosillo - 94 - OC 35k/N3L - 1 Mile 7- Yards (Inner Dirt) - Aqueduct
10.  It Happened Again - 94 - Razorback Handicap (G3) - 1 1/16 Miles - Oaklawn
10.  Street Car - 94 - Clm 16000(16-14) - 6 Furlongs (Tapeta) - Golden Gate
10.  Winter Camp - 94 - Bill Thomas Memorial Stakes - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Sunland
15. Mister Marti Gras - 93 - OC 40k/N2X -N - 1 1/16 Miles - Fair Grounds
15. Saint Daimon - 93 - OC 35k/N3L - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - Aqueduct
17. Golddigger's Boy - 92 - Alw 59520N2X - 1 Mile - Parx
17. Sherlock - 92 - OC 12k/C-N - 6 Furlongs - Fair Grounds
19. Avenging Spirit - 91 - Alw 46800N1X - 1 Mile - Gulfstream
19. Cambina (Ire) - 91 - China Doll Stakes - 1 Mile (Turf) - Santa Anita
19. El Martillo - 91 - OC 62k/N2X-N - 1 Mile - Santa Anita
19. Goggles McCoy - 91 - Alw 48360NC - 6 Furlongs (Tapeta) - Golden Gate
19. Ravi's Song - 91 - New Orleans Ladies Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles - Fair Grounds
19. Suyeta - 91 - OC 50k/C-N - 1 Mile - Oaklawn
25. Firm Resolve - Clm 20000(20-15)B - 6 Furlongs - Fair Grounds
25. Lunada Bay - Alw 60160N1X - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Santa Anita
25. Redeemed - Md Sp Wt 42k - 6 Furlongs - Gulfstream
25. Sunshine Rambler - Clm 32000 - 1 Mile (Turf) - Gulfstream

Tackleberry's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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BTW, anyone know when Astrology will run next?
Del Mar Dennis

DRF's Mary Rampellini notes that Astrology will run in Sunday's Sunland Derby.  Click on the link below for the entire story:

http://www.drf.com/news/sunland-derby-lures-astrology-supreme-ruler

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Dan (or any other fellow bloggers),
I just started looking at the Oaks futures pp's and was impressed with her one and only race, so I pulled up the video on calracing.com and was just super impressed with Royal Delta's maiden win at Belmont. I also like her breeding. Might be worth a few bucks at 25/1, but obviously have some concerns. She does not have much seasoning, but I was also wondering if anyone had any info on her. Did Mott just back off of her to prepare for a run at 3yr-old stakes races, or was she hurt? Any known plans for her? What prep(s) are on the schedule for her? Is she even pointing to the Oaks. I did not find much after googling her. Any help would be appreciated. I am now adding her to my watch list.
Dale

Royal Delta ran a disappointing ninth in the Suncoast Stakes at Tampa Bay Downs on March 12 (56 Beyer).  Considering her pedigree (Empire Maker - Delta Princess), I wouldn't be surprised if she winds up on grass down the road.

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Dan I would like 2 scratch ambessa Pp's &
Add ongoing mister & avenging force the horse
Who beat king glorious if u can thanks.
Marc

The past performances for Ongoing Mister and Avenging Force are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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It's rather peculiar that many players, including Dan, have noted that there was obviously a major near-disastrous bumping incident, yet they could not find fault with any of the 3 runners, including TC. That's why I expressed some puzzlement over Dan's statement that the non-call was the right call. I mean, something obviously happened... how could it be a blameless event? That doesn't necessarily mean there should've been a DQ... but it doesn't explain why the non-call was correct, but the DQ would've been wrong. Why not the other way around? If the reverse call was made, would that have been seen as the right decision?
C

The bumping incident in the Santa Anita Handicap was certainly not a "blameless event."  There was definitely an incident so, obviously, there is someone to blame for causing the problem. 
The issue is deciding, conclusively, who was to blame.  Where is the definitive evidence to support that Horse X, instead of Horses Y and Z, was the one at fault?
There was a smoking gun, but who pulled the trigger?  Is it possible that all three had hoofprints on the gun? Some have said that we shouldn't treat this as a "plaintiff" vs. "defendant" issue, but when one rider claims foul against another, the claimant becomes the plaintiff because he/she feels wronged.  The stewards' job is to mete out a "punishment" for the "crime".  Was there a foul?  Yes.  Who was the perpetrator?  I don't think there's enough evidence to convict anyone.  Hence, if I'm a steward, I can't take anyone down.

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Dan
Some questions.
Is there a place on the DRF website where I can find the full conditions for the race for the entries? Today, Wednesday, under the DRF entries tab, the 7th at GP is listed as a $25,000 OPEN race, when it is really open only to non winners of three lifetime and a claiming price of $30,000 to $25,000. I guess I just get too excited when there is a truly open, no conditions, allowance or high class claimer.
Quite often in your analyses you will mention that a horse was a vet scratch on such and such a date. Where do you get that information? If it isn't your own records can I get it also?
Ron Zuercher

Ron Z,
Here is where I get my scratch information, including the reason for the scratch:
http://www.equibase.com/static/latechanges/html/latechanges.html?SAP=LN
Here are the entries with the complete conditions:
http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/index.html?SAP=LN
Steve T

Ron, I also get my vet scratches from the "SCRATCH BOARD" function either in the print copy of the DRF, or online (comes with the classic past performances), and then note them in my Formulator for future reference.

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Dan,
Glad to see the Big Cap back on dirt where it belongs, despite all the controversy. Commenter "C" makes a good case in that a DQ of Game on Dude would have probably been received with much less controversy. That said, I still think the stewards made the right call.
I saw that Game on Dude had a Beyer of 99. Just curious, how does that compare to Big Cap's past? I imagine there have been very few under 100.
Steve D

Here are the Beyer Speed Figures for the Big 'Cap since 1990:

1990:  Ruhlmann - 118
1991:  Farma Way - 118
1992:  Best Pal - 123
1993:  Sir Beaufort - 112
1994:  Stuka - 109 (The Wicked North finished first, but was disqualified and placed fourth)
1995:  Urgent Request - 113
1996:  Mr. Purple - 112
1997:  Siphon - 120
1998:  Malek - 108
1999:  Free House - 119
2000:  General Challenge - 117
2001:  Tiznow - 117
2002:  Milwaukee Brew - 118
2003:  Milwaukee Brew - 116
2004:  Southern Image - 113
2005:  Rock Hard Ten - 107
2006:  Lava Man - 113
2007:  Lava Man - 109
2008:  Heatseeker - 110
2009:  Einstein - 103
2010:  Misremembered - 104
2011:  Game On Dude - 99

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stupid question...but enjoy looking at old PP's, and looking at Drew Drew above, his lifetime lists 8 wins, and his dirt wins list 9--and I dont see any DQ that put him first, or anything that would explain that. what am I missing?
Life 35 8 5 3 $36,569 78
D.Fst 32 9 5 2 $32,463 7
Lindsay

All in all, Drew Drew raced 38 times with 10 wins, 5 seconds and 3 thirds.  In the LIFE box of DRF, his record stands at 35 starts, 8 wins, 5 seconds, and 3 thirds.  The three missing races in the LIFE box are omitted because Drew Drew raced three times in "Mixed" heats (open to quarter horses as well as thoroughbreds).  He won two of those races, but only thoroughbred races are included in the LIFE box.

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Dan, could you please post past performances for Pleasantly Perfect.
For a horse that won some $7M in his career, I've always thought he was pretty underrated.
Honestly, what are your thoughts on him?
Paseana

Pleasantly Perfect's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.  I was a fan of his as he was a true 1 1/4-mile horse in an era where that sort of stamina is rare.  My favorite horse from that time period was Medaglia d'Oro.  I felt he was the best nine-furlong horse in the country at the time while Pleasantly Perfect was best at 10 panels.  Of course, Pleasantly Perfect got the better of Medaglia d'Oro in both the Dubai World Cup and Breeders' Cup Classic, both at 1 1/4 miles. 

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Dan,
Ever since he was claimed by Pletcher, Calibrachoa has been a coupled entry. Why is this?
ALF

Calibrachoa has raced three times since the Pletcher claim.  He is owned by the Repole Stable as was his stablemate on March 5 (Have You Ever), January 22 (Driven by Success, scratched), and December 18 (Driven by Success).  Common ownership necessitates coupled entries.

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Dan,
in Beyer's book Picking winners he does not list all the distances and beaten lenths for 4.5 furlongs, 1 mile 40 yrds 1 mile 70 yrs 11 furlongs 12 furlongs and Raw Beyers for the Turf. Do you know where I can get this for handicapping purposes? Thanks, you have my e-mail
Tony

In both BEYER ON SPEED and THE WINNING HORSEPLAYER, he has speed charts for 1 Mile and 70 Yards, but not for the other distances you requested.

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Dan,
I would really like to see pp's for Charon, Jumron, Quintana
If possible Taco's Car Phone.
Thanks,
Pete

The past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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Hey Dan
was wondering if yoiu could the past performances of Champion handicap horse - Stymie
Big Manny

Stymie's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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Dan,
The stats for Mike Mitchell 1st off claim in the DRF reads (37 .35 $2.57), How far back, in terms of years or months, does this stat go?
Thank you
Pippen0707

Pippen0707
I'm a Mitchell fan in general, and especially 1st off a claim, as many are, I'm sure. I will answer for Dan-the stat covers from the beginning of calendar 2010, and will be used and updated throughout this year. So by the end of this year it will be two years worth of data. In January next year, 2010 will be dropped from the data history and only 2011 and 2012 will be included.
blackstone

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But I'll give you a new question. Twirling Candy ran 1:19.70 for 7f, breaking the track record of Spectacular Bid, who ran 1:20. The 2007 3 year best times show the best time for 2004/05/06 as 1:20 also. Who ran that?
Thanks again
TejanoRun

Bob Black Jack ran 1:20.37 over the Pro-Ride surface at Santa Anita on December 26, 2007.  Unfurl the Flag went 1:20.11 on dirt at "The Great Race Place" in 2004. 

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It is a great article about Alysheba. Look at how many grade 1's at a mile and a quarter this horse took down. But most of all, he was a stud and legend in his own mind....one of the proudest horses on whom I've ever laid eyes. I was privileged to spend some time with him at Monmouth and he was unbelievable in the post parade for the Iselin. To this day I have a picture of him on the wall. He was truly spectacular.
Most interesting of all, Van Berg raced him without lasix at the Iselin, just to prove he could win without it. Could you imagine a trainer taking that kind of stand now?
Dan, would you please be so kind as to post his PP's?
TBTA

Alysheba's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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Cannot think of anywhere else to ask this, so I come to this comforting place.
As I was going through Formulator recently, I started going back through the charts for SA's current meet as a bit of a curiosity. I noticed that one solitary race didn't have a Beyer assigned (see 24Feb11-3SA). It was a maiden special route on the grass for three-year-olds. I thought it was a bit odd since pretty much every race does within a day or two, but not this one, and two weeks later no less.
Anyone know why that might be?
eternal_arcadia

I have the winning Beyer for that race as a 78, so I'm not sure why it didn't come up in Formulator sooner.  It's there now.

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Dan, or anyone who knows,
I've noticed some horses have been training at SLF. Can someone enlighten me? I've not heard of it.
knm

knm
I'm just taking a guess, but SLF may be Solera Farm in Williston FL
SR Vegas

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I just saw a horse go down at the finish of the Santa Margarita race at Santa Anita - I was watching on Cal Racing and there was no mention of the horse and rider. Does anyone know what happened?
AnneM

Always a Princess suffered a serious sesamoid injury in the Santa Margarita, but she underwent surgery and seems to be doing well.  If she continues to progress, she will be bred later this Spring or next year.

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Dan,
What in the world is up with RAIL TRIP? Didn't see him on the Disabled List, but no works in forever.
Steve T

He's had so many problems with his right front foot.  After the Jockey Club Gold Cup, a race in which Rail Trip wore an aluminum pad, Richard Dutrow sent Rail Trip to the Rood and Riddle Equine Clinic in Kentucky for a nuclear scan.  The word is that he has an issue with the frog on his foot. 

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Dan,
Can you post what the Jockey/Trainer Combo of G.Gomez and B. Mott is for the last several years. I just read that Gomez is picking up the mount on To Honor and Serve and I think he is one of the few horses that can beat Uncle Mo at this point anyway in the Ky Derby. I would like to know what kind of success they had together in the past. Thank you
furlongs

From Formulator Web, here are the numbers for the Gomez and Mott team:

PAST YEAR:  3-25, 12% winners, $0.88 ROI
PAST 2 YEARS:  7-45, 16% winners, $1.05 ROI
PAST 3 YEARS:  8-54, 15% winners, $1.01 ROI
PAST 4 YEARS:  14-90, 16% winners, $1.14 ROI
PAST 5 YEARS:  19-112, 17% winners, $1.31 ROI

Winners include Majestic Warrior (Grade 1 Hopeful), Go Between (Grade 1 Pacific Classic, Grade 2 Virginia Derby, Sunshine Millions Classic), My Typhoon (Grade 2 Ballston Spa Handicap), Z Humor (Grade 3 Delta Jackpot), Courageous Cat (Grade 3 Canadian Turf Handicap), Indescribable (Grade 3 Kentucky Cup Distaff), and Quite a Bride (Sunshine Millions Filly and Mare Turf).

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Dan, Could you post the PPs of an old time Chicago favorite: Maxwell G.? I understand he was still winning at age 16. Thanks!
Sandra

I don't have all of his races, but you'll notice below that he did win at age 16 (he was a foal of 1961).

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Hey Dan,
Not sure if this is too invasive or PH taboo, but how much money do you wager on an average day at the races?
If that's not a suitable question, I'm also curious how you divide your bankroll. Is most of it allocated to multi-race wagers? Or do you focus more on intra-race betting?
TheVanGogh

I'm a bit uncomfortable getting into dollar amounts, but it fluctuates wildly from day to day and, especially, from meet to meet.  Since I really enjoy playing juvenile maiden races, the majority of my action occurs during the summer and fall months (think Saratoga, Del Mar, etc.).  If I have a really strong opinion, I don't have a problem dropping the hammer on a good-priced horse to win.  Mostly, however, I try to string together Pick 4's and other multi-race bets around the maiden races that I fancy. 
In order for one to thrive in this game, one needs to make scores.  Playing an overlaid runner to win, on an occasional basis, may be a way to survive, but it is very difficult (especially considering the onerous takeout) to grind out a profit race-by-race.  The majority of my bankroll goes into multi-race wagers.  One of the selfish reasons for starting the HandiGambling exercises was to get better at intra-race wagers, but I still feel more comfortable keying and spreading in Pick 4's, etc.
Thankfully, I have a great amount of patience and don't feel the need to bet every race.  Therefore, I could go days, or even weeks, without making a single bet until I find an opportunity that I feel strongly about (Mike Beer calls me "Straw Hat Illman").  Then, I don't have a problem going all-in.

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Sorry if this has been asked and answered recently, but i have trouble visiting this blog as much as i'd like: what are Al Stall's plans for Bind? Did i miss a non-winners of 1 other than allowance score or has it not happened yet? My guess (and it's just a guess) would be the Derby Trial might be in his future. Any thoughts on the chance of that? I watched his maiden score (and cashed a nice pick 4 by singling him) and was truly amazed. Horses just don't go 1:08 and 4 at the Fairgrounds very often, especially not maidens. I think the sky is the limit for this horse and we all know that Stall will take his time with him
raitchjay

Bind, an impressive debut winner at Fair Grounds on February 19, is listed as the 2-5 morning line favorite in Saturday's third race at Fair Grounds, an entry-level optional claimer at 1 mile and 70 yards.  Bind is not yet nominated to the Triple Crown series, but another big performance may have Al Stall thinking about bigger pots.  I'm guessing, as of now, that he'll remain very patient with this promising horse.  He's one to watch in races like the Travers.

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I have been meaning to ask this question for a while but this HG provides an opportunity. Maidens are far from my comfort level and usually pass them when possible.
My question is what stat do you rely on more, the trainer with high first and second out runners or sires first out and early win numbers. Do you give more credence to a high stat trainer with a low stat sire, or can a high win early sire overcome a poor trainer record.
mpm101

It's an excellent question.  In a perfect world, you would have healthy percentages all around. 
I wouldn't invest heavily in either situation that you mentioned.  If a horse has a strong win-early pedigree, but is trained by a conditioner that rarely scores first-out, I'd stay away as the horse may be out for an experience run.
I'd also avoid a firster that boasts low-percentage bloodlines, but debuts for a high-percentage trainer.  These horses are often overbet due to the connections. 
I wouldn't say I rely on one stat higher than the other.  A healthy mix is just what the doctor orders in this situation.

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Dan
You usually print the winning e-mail for the HandiGambling but did not this week. What wager won the prize? As always, thanks for your great work!
DSully

HG224 Winning Bet (Steve T)
#8 DUBAI YOU XYZ is going to be one tough cookie for a while to come and he is improving with every race. He is impervious to jostling, bumping and being in tight, comes with a killer rush at the end and this guy can run all day on turf. I will use #7 BOGIE to fill the exacta; he has always been a very good turfer and I think he is a different horse off the layoff and this will be his 2nd off of that layoff.
HANDINGAMBLING BET: $100 Exacta #8 Dubai You XYZ/#7 BOGIE

HG 225 Winning Bet (Micheal Cook)
HandiGambling 224.........
I declared my play yesterday, but it included two AE's. It looks as if these won't be entered based on the early changes. Thus I am modifying my original play.
I am keying Frontside in a $16.65 part-wheel trifecta as follows:
1 / 2, 4, 12 / 2, 4, 12
for a $99.90 investment.
Thanks,
M. Cook

HG Results:
The inquiry sign is up on the HG Results, as Micheal Cook made an illegal denomination of $16.65 for his trifecta. Dan gave me some options on what to do, but said it was my call. I decided that if Micheal Cook would have used only $16 (instead of $16.65) for his trifecta, he still would have won the tiebreaker, because he posted before Taz. So therefore he stands as the winner. Taz finishes second, Jim Peregoy third.
tencentcielo

Congrats to Micheal Cook for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise.  He chooses race 8 at Tampa Bay Downs on Friday for this week's event.

PAST PERFORMANCES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS BLOG POSTING

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog. In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.
Best of luck to all!

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pmc More than 1 year ago
HG 226: $50 to win on the 3; $4 Super key 4/3,6,11; $2 Super key 4/3,10,11; $2 exacta 3/10; $2 tri box 3-5-10. based on final fraction ratings and balanced speed figures.
Pippen0707 More than 1 year ago
HG 226 #9 Sparkles Gold Band... hoping the return to turf will do the trick at a nice price. $100 win #9
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Gulfstream Park 3-25-11 I like a few longshots for today ATB R5 #5 Altamar 30-1 R7 #9 Wildcat Kid 12-1 R8 #2 Shesoffthescale 20-1 best bet of the day R7 #10 Jockey Ridge 3-1 PLopez for what its worth enter at your own risk with these good luck all MH01
TejanoRun More than 1 year ago
# 7 WINSOMEFORME - overmatched last out at this distance; closed better in Mar3 race after dawdling 1/2 mile; # 1 DIXIE KID - really liked the fight in him Dec22 breaking maiden; picked off horses in last, thought performance was a little better than it looked; good-looking jockey/trainer stats as Feliciano jumps ship; # 11 DOWER - draws in, needed last race, evenly through final quarter. $10 Exacta Box 1,7,11 $40 Win 7
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Jonah Leroidesanimaux progeny, Hope this helps.. This was taken from pedigreequery.com http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/leroidesanimaux
terry More than 1 year ago
HG 226 $100 Win on #7 Winsomeforme.......................
Ivan More than 1 year ago
HG226: I like the #9 Sparkles Gold Band at a big price. His turf is not bad at all, solid trainer and jockey and he is climbing the ladder form 10K claimers. The play: $52 to win on #9 Sparkles Gold Band $8 Tri Box 2-5-9 ($48 total) Good Luck.
Gracie More than 1 year ago
I think I've only done this once, but I'm going to try this one. I love Smarty Jones kids on the turf. And I've always been leery of AE who draw into a race. $100 cold hearted exacta 5/11
Dick W More than 1 year ago
HG226 Looks like #2 is scratched. I will use #6 Gimmearide as my key. Both her turf races have been decent. Should be competitive with these. I will use her with #3 Cat Be Nimble and #11 Dower (who gets in due to the scratch of #2) in exacta boxes as follows: $30 ex box 3,6 ($60) $20 ex box 6,11 ($40) Good luck to all !!! Dick W
Kelley_Belles More than 1 year ago
HG I don't trust the early speed in this one, so I'm going with the three best closers. $50 tri 11 / 6-7 / 6-7 Good luck everyone.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, Don't know why I mentioned Bobby Boy Baffert today, 'cause yesterday I told Whacky it was Jess Jackson & Stevie A. Said they always seem to get them. So, consider it a typo of sorts. A me bad. Sorry. & for that guy who said end of discussion. Stevie said he's eye-balling the PREAKNESS. So, for a horse who had the best Debut Beyer in history, I say, let's start the discussion, not end it. Must be one of those East Coasters....LOL..........Duh ? Last time I checked, I'm one........no wonder they drive the Lefties nuts.......Phew !!!!!!!
gerry v. More than 1 year ago
HG226 Late scratch :#2
JIMPEREGOY More than 1 year ago
HG 226: One of the ladies entered here has to win, but many of these would be quite a surprise. Eliminating the low % horses and connections from win position: 3-Cate Be Nimble: Trainer is 3 for 52 5-Stark’s a Smarty: Should take money based on Beyers and decent connections. Cannot use a 1 for 16 entrant on top. 6-Gimmearide: Same as above, except 1 for 12 is not quite as bad. Under 10% not playable on top, though. 7-Winsomeforme: Rider is 7% for this 1 for 17 filly 8-Callaloo: Has an 8% trainer and is 1 for 24 9-Sparkles Gold Band: is 1 for 12 and seems to enjoy running 2nd and 3rd. Use under, only. 10-Snow Fair: 5% trainer and 8% rider guarantee mediocrity. This leaves me with, only, the 1, 4, and 11 to use on top. 1-Dixie Kid is 1 for 6 and yet to break 60 on the Beyer scale. Has been beaten by 3 of the low % types, above. 4-Lilies So Fair is 1 for 4 with solid connections and a 75 Beyer from July. Could be under the radar. 11-Dower drew in from AE position with good connections and a 67 Beyer from 3/12 where she was 61-1. Logic dictates a small leap of faith to the 4 to hope for a return to Beyer in the 75 or better region on her 3rd off the layoff. Her post position is acceptable vis-à-vis the other two win prospects. $5 Trifecta # 4 WT # 6,7,11 WT # 5,6,7 = $35 $5 Trifecta # 11 WT #4 Wt #6 $40 Exacta 4-11 $20 Exacta 4-7
Al P. More than 1 year ago
HG 226 Not exactly a stellar group but someone has to win. #1 Dixie Kid-Should be in a good position stalking leaders from the rail but BSF on the low side. Only 6 races under her belt and could improve with no world beaters in this race. #2 Monslewn- Vet scratch #3 Cat be Nimble- Stepping up for low percentage trainer and slow works for return. #4 Lillies So Fair- First time in claimer but last two races awful. Meeting a bad bunch here and could show improvement third off the layoff. Connections are good. #5 Stark’s a Smarty- Rounding into form and connections winning at 21%. With the #2 scratched, she should be on the lead in here but 1-16 lifetime makes it hard to place on top. #6 Gimmearide- Coming back from a freshening with 6 works. Short price, 1-12 and couldn’t beat ALW 8500 in Cleveland at 3-2. I’ll let her beat me. #7 Winsomeforme-Seems to fit at this level but 1-17 lifetime with low percentage rider. #8 Callaloo- No comment #9 Sparkles Gold Band- Steps up and has low BSF- Pass. #10 Snow Fair- Bad post, very low percentage trainer but may get some position with her speed and get a piece. #11 Dower- Deep closer with good connections but post will have her far back and not much pace to run at. $25 EXA. 1 /4, 5, 6, 11
gil More than 1 year ago
Hg 226 revisited #2 scratch will stay with under pair as stated in last blog. $50 ex box 5/10 good luck all
bobc More than 1 year ago
HG 225 #2 Monslewn Showed plenty of heart in last. Plenty of room for upside. Not facing a bunch of world beaters. #5 Stark's A Smarty Needs a clean start. Doesn't like to win but will give a good account of herself. Wager: $100 ex: 2/ 5
Turfmeister Maz More than 1 year ago
HG 226 #6 Gimmearide--coming off a longer route with three solid, peaking workouts. $5 WIN / $10 PLACE / $15 SHOW. #4 Lillies So Fair--decent last out speed number with two strong, peaking workouts. $5 PLACE / $10 SHOW. #3 Cat Be Nimble--coming off a layoff with two robust workouts. Should fire fresh. $5 SHOW. EXOTICS $5 Exacta Wheel #6 / 4,3,2. $2 Trifecta 6,4 / 6,4,3 / 6,4,3,2. 10 CENT Superfecta: 6,4 / 6,4,3 / 6,4,3,2 / 6,4,3,2. Hooray for the TURF!!!
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Jonah, I'm glad you hit that Leroidesanimaux tyke. It'a a shame you didn't reverse the exacta.. A little tip........I always play them longies in a 1-2 Exacta Box w/ a couple or three horses..Not saying I would have hit the exacta, 'cause I didn't see the race, Butts: I certainly would have had him in the 1 & 2 spot...I mean you did place him right ? So, logic says you got him 1-2.......no matter who wins, if he's at 39-1 the payoff is ALWAYS large..It's great to hit them cold stoned, but in horse racing it's about CYA........profit...Mark it down & consider it a learning lesson..Afterall, at least you ferreted him out....... C., you know what ????????? Heeheee.......
Patrick S More than 1 year ago
Like the 4,5, and 6 in here. Will key the 6 in the 2nd and 3rd spot of Tri's for value. $25 TRI (4,5/6/4,5) $25 TRI (4,5/4,5/6) GL All.
Caseyjeaux More than 1 year ago
Handi Gamble $50 Tri Key 4 w/6,7 w/6,7
CM More than 1 year ago
Vicstu: I agree with you about the Zito hype, but he should not be singled out. I pay absolutely no attention to anything any trainer says. When was the last time a trainer, especially in the lead up to a major race, was honest? It's always "he's doing better now than he ever has" or "that last race really helped and he's going to move forward in this one" or, my favorite "I wouldn't trade places with anyone." Just once I would like a trainer to be honest.... "Well, we know we don't belong in the race, but Mr. and Mrs. Owner wanted box seats for the day, Mr. Owner just bought a new suit, and Mrs. Owner bought a new hat so we entered the horse even though he has absolutely no chance."
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
CM love your post I have often wanted to hear the same story (well we know we dont belong in this race but) I would love to here an honest trainer remark about his chances in a given race but would we believe him? I dont know but....... MH01
The Vine Meister More than 1 year ago
HG 226 $100 win #4 - Lilies so Fair
knm More than 1 year ago
Mike A, Thanks for your explanation (example) of how you approached the 4th at Gulfstream yesterday. You certainly delve deep! Probably why you do well. But don't worry, I don't bet enough to ruin your bottom line, so you can give me all the hints you can spare, LOL. Often I don't see the things I should in the form. There's so much information, I can easily overlook something important. I was a better handicapper in the '70s and '80s when I could only play my own track! And there wasn't a surfeit of information, as there is now, IMO.
Annie More than 1 year ago
Ron Zuercher & Chicago Gerry, Thanks for pulling for me, but unfortunately, the 13 consos would have been only if I got the 5. If you get 5, you also get paid for every losing horse you had on your ticket. If you only get 4, you get the conso for each horse you had in the losing race. That, alas, was only 1 on each ticket. $76.65 x 2, which did not even give me a profit for the day. So, no congrats due here. :( The horse that won the last race, Artemus Kitten, is a full sister to stakes-winning Lisa's Kitten. Ordinarily, she would have been a must use on both tickets, not just one. However, this was a MD35K claiming race. I reasoned that if they thought she was any good, like her sister, they wouldn't have run her for a claim in her very first race. Oh well, I've been wrong before. :) As Slew used to say, "Onward and upward". :) Annie
Annie More than 1 year ago
FYI: For those of you who liked MONSLEWN in the HG today, he was a VET scratch this morning. Annie
Van Savant More than 1 year ago
HandiGambling 226 This is an interesting race, but not one that I have a really good feel for, and I won't be playing with real money...nevertheless... GIMMEARIDE (#6) looks to be the best of the bunch here based on times and speed ratings/figures, etc.. I expect her to be there at the end and hopefully in front. My play: $100 to Win on the 6 Thanks Dan!
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
HG226 Tampa Bay #1 Dixie Kid fifth jockey change for 12 % trainer does not excite me any Garcia is batting 11% for the year has chance for part #4 Lillies So Fair one for three on grass with two tries at Tampa and no banana leaves a lot of doubt here last an improvement #6 Gimmearide shows a lot of closing speed in last two had a brief rest and continued working for Bennett and has taken a liking to turf racing #11 Dover most of races in the mid west and was in contention in all of them broke very slow in her debut here at Tampa but did show some interest in backside Martinez will take her back and make one long run to get the money $50 exacta 11-6 $50 win #11 good luck all MH01
TejanoRun More than 1 year ago
Micheal Cook and Tom P. - good detailed HG analysis from each of you on your selections. Jonah - nice call on Lemou. You seem to have absorbed enormous amounts of handicapping info in a relatively short period of time. Look at you firing off pedigree stats! Keep up the good work. Have you delved into Brohamer yet?
James Mc More than 1 year ago
Vic Stu: I also am amused by Zito and his hype. He's been doing it for years. If you remember back to '97, he hyped the hell out of a horse called Jack Flash, to the Daily News/New York Post racing writers, to the form, anyone who would listen. I did a quick google and found this deep in the archives of the Augusta Chronicle: "The wonderful thing about Jack Flash is he's not far from these horses," says trainer Nick Zito, who has two Derby wins ('91 and '94) on his resume. "He's run with (Derby favorites) Pulpit and Captain Bodgit. He was beaten by seven lengths in the Florida Derby. That's not a lot of lengths to make up." "And he ran an incredible race in the Jim Beam, a fabulous race. He improved again. He just keeps getting better." Others I can remember: Wondertross, Halory Hunter, The Cliff's Edge, AP Valentine, Sun King, Cool Coal Man. Of course it isn't Zito's fault. He just likes to talk and gives the writers some copy. They faithfully render his comments, add some background about how he's already won the Derby twice (that must give him credibility as a handicapper, right?), tie it up in a bow and they have a story. I'm sure they'd rather talk to him that ultra-bland Todd Pletcher or Steve Asmussen. The thing is, even if you accepted that trainers always tell the truth (snort) about how their horses are "doing", why would that tell you anything much anyway? If the insider type knowledge and skill set that a trainer has translated into picking winners, Pete Rose would've won a billion betting baseball, instead of losing his @ss. Chicago Gerry: One of Zito's best horses ever, Albert the Great, had excellent speed, I think he was one that Zito admitted he was taken by surprise as to how good he turned out to be. Another was Louis Quatorze, who won the '96 Preakness with a wire job and was getting really really good just before he was retired.
jerrry More than 1 year ago
hg 226 $25 super 4-6 / 4-6 / 5-7 / 5-7......
C More than 1 year ago
Ron, Glad to hear you say that. Yes, I thought you were serious. And, no, I don't know anyone who would use workouts as evidence that a horse is decent or not. That is indeed a laughable argument, but I now realize that your post wasn't. Thanks for clarifying and sorry for the confusion.
p ensign More than 1 year ago
Ron Z as Annie hasn't answered - as a multirace player, I'm pretty sure the 13 consos were going to be hit ALONG with the p-5 - otherwise she would have only hit the conso once, on the ticket where she only missed the last race. the cruel realities of swinging for the fences...
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Annie, As I understand it, you had the PK4 Consolation of $75.00 x 13. If so, nice going and I would be happy with that. [] Ron Z and Tom S, Will put the answer to the Formblog question, in the form of a Jeopardy question: What position did the respective sires of Uncle Mo and L'il E Tee, Indian Charlie and At The Threshold, finish in their respective Kentucky Derby's? They both ran 3rd. For giving such good alternative answers, you win a hardy handshake, a slap on the back, and the warm glow of accomplishment! I did go back to look at Uncle Mo's Breeders Cup race. A person really ought not do that. He was pretty awesome, and it is hard not to let that race and his overall record not influence ones thinking about him. If he demonstrates in the Wood that he may be able to win the Derby, and does win it, then I think you are going to see 'Smarty Party' type people emerge. Uncle Mo is really a cool, catchy name in its own right, and as with what happened with Smarty Jones, it should be a fun time and good for the sport.
Del Mar Dennis More than 1 year ago
HG 226 In a very difficult N2L at 1M on the turf, I found myself landing on the #3, Cat Be Nimble. She's coming off a bit off a layoff (10 wks) but she has some nice foundation works for her return, and I think she was facing a bit tougher in New York. I also like the small cut back of 1/16 of distance as that might help her pack some added punch down the stretch. As for the others, #6, Gimmearide figures to sit the trip and get first run. Her two turf tries have been solid. $50 Exacta Box 3/6 Best of luck to all. And good luck to my MKB Horse, MACHEN in the LA Derby. Please don't make me cry --- again.
Micheal Cook More than 1 year ago
Thanks for the compliment TejanoRun...... And just as importantly, thanks for the R10 insight at Tampa too. M. Cook
p ensign More than 1 year ago
"I haven't had the heart to look at the chart for that last race yesterday. Maybe it was the jockey's fault that I missed out on 10K. :)" I just checked the chart for you - It was. I would still be screaming at Maragh if I'd been alive - I just hate that namby-pamby let someone else be the front-runner type of ride that is so eloquently summed in those fateful words "stalked the pace into the stretch and gave way." If you've got the fastest horse, go to the front and stay there If you don't, save yourself some ground, ala Paco on the winner, or save your horse and make one nice big run... Just hate that indecisive, ground losing, "stalking" ride, just hate it! ] I'm hurtin for ya coNP elywhe
mpm101 More than 1 year ago
HG 226 There does not appear to be much early speed in this race and the scratch of the 2 horse seems to leave the 10 as the early leader. I am not sure though whether she will last. The 5 needs to improve its Beyers a bit but should be sitting close to the lead and have first run. The T/J stats are impressive also $100 Win #5 mpm101
Ron B More than 1 year ago
Dan HG My selection is 4-11-6 #11 2nd off layoff may still be a little short but workouts ok and Jockey/Trainer combo good #4 3rd off layoff best beyer on turf(75) Nice blow out work Jockey 18% Trainer 22% Jockey/Trainer 27% #6 Catch him to win down the stretch $80 Ex 4-11 $20 Tri 4-11-6 Ron B
bobc More than 1 year ago
HG 226 Change due to scratch of #2 Still like #5 to run well just not to win. Will take # 4 with new jock up to get the job done. Wager: $100 ex: 4/ 5 $100
Vermonster More than 1 year ago
HG 226 $100 Exacta 4-1 I tend to migrate toward more lightly raced runners in the N2L races, figuring there's a better chance for improvement. Going with Lillies So Fair (4) on top as I'm a fan of Proctors and note he's 34% when he runs them for a tag. Hoping Lillies will run back to that 75 in her 5th career start and am encouraged by the 3F blowout last week. Dixie Kid (1) has run well off the two brief respites she's had in the past. Only her 7th start and she has a win over the course, unlike all others except Stark's A Smarty (5). Cat Be Nimble (3) may prove better than all of them, but banking on her needing a race. Stark's A Smarty will probably be right there at the 1/16th pole, but too many minor awards for my taste. Gimmearide (6) has best turf fig, the one I fear, but price will be too short. Winsomeforme (7) belongs at this level but 1-for-17, no thanks. Callaloo (8) hasn't lifted a hoof since the trainer change. Sparkles Gold Band (9) is too slow. Snow Fair (10) will probably be a pace player, but expect her to give it up in the lane. Don't like the wide draw for Dower (11). Good luck to all.
dylbert More than 1 year ago
HG 226 Too much to do getting ready for FG trip tomorrow, playing in contest, lamenting my broken NCAA b-ball bracket, and looking at Dubai card... Whew! Glad I took day off from work, too. Hope everyone is enjoying this great race weekend. And, now, back to our regularly scheduled program, HANDIGAMBLING. I am keying off #11 Dower along with other two that I like today, #4 Lilies So Fair and #6 Gimmearide. Dashing to window to make these wagers: $22 Exacta: 4-11 $32 Exacta: 6-11 $20 Exacta: 11-4 $16 Trifecta: 11-6-4 $10 Trifecta: 11-4-6 If you are at Fair Grounds tomorrow, look for me in the Paddock Bar... I'm the guy enjoying the corned beef and cold beer.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
HG 226 *Revision $4 Super 3,6 / 4,5 / 1,7,11 / 3,4,5,6 =$98
Randy More than 1 year ago
I like the #6 Gimmearide here with the combo of Ronnie Allen Jr. and Gerald Bennett, look for Tom Proctors #4 Lilies So Far to benefit from the class relief, also like #3 Cat Be Nimble. Will play $25 exacta part wheel 6/3,4 and $25 tri key 6/3,4 for $100.
Ivan More than 1 year ago
HG226: Because of the late scratch of the #2, the play is now: $52 win on #9 $8 Tri Box 5-9-10 ($48) Good Luck.
TejanoRun More than 1 year ago
There's a nice price play in the 10th at Tampa today (two races after HG). # 1 SAMMYTHEREDROCKER (20/1) broke poorly last out but rallied a bit into a moderately slow pace. Previous races, he had early zip - blitzing 21.1 at Calder is serious speed. Drawing the rail today, he could be long gone by the time Motion's horse (# 5 SENOR DEHERE) gets into stride.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
HG 226 #2 Monslewn Maiden Cl winner last, expect to see him run a nice race and fade to 3rd or 4th, (sorry Curt V) (another Slew) #3 Cat Be Nimble His last 3 races at Aqu and Bel were just fine. Shows some late foot. #4 had a very nice past run at AP and the 3rd race off the lay off could make him a win candidate if he runs back to that. #5 been running well early which might give him an advantage with this group. #6 I agree with those who liked his coming off the layoff and dropping down. Nice early foot last two. * Basically, I havn't strong feelings about this race, which means I don't have much of a clue. Put to it, I think #1 (Maiden Cl victory), and #7 (2nd an 3rd races back would make competitive) could surprise. My guess is there will be some defections, #11 Dower will get in and we will be back to the drawing board. $4 Superfecta 3,4 / 3,4,5,6 / 2,3,5 / 2,3,4,5,6 =$96.00
Theo More than 1 year ago
The #2 is out so i'll have to go in another direction- I still see #6 as the best of the lot. My bet- $16 super 6 / 4/ 1,5,7/1,5,7 The 3 may figure in, but it had a 2 week gap in its work pattern so I'll give it a rest.
TBTA More than 1 year ago
VQ, (Off Topic) Chocolate Thunder was Darryl Dawkins, self proclaimed from the planet Lovetron, I believe...........Funny and true story about C. Thunder.................My son was three when we were traveling from NJ down to Dallas and we were lucky enough to be in first class in the first row where there was lots of extra room for a little guy to play. During boarding, it was apparent that an extremely large tall man had grabbed our two seats hoping to get that legroom for himself. I recognized the man as Darryl Dawkins and decided to take the high road and let him have the seat. However, true to form, my kid starts complaining in a loud voice that someone is sitting in our seat, look Mom that's a 2A on my boarding pass and there's a man in that seat, why is someone sitting in my seeeeeeeeeaaaat, Mom I want my seat you said I could play on the floor.................and on and on.............finally it was apparent that the determination of a three year old to get "HIS" seat was not worth listening to for what was going to be a few hour flight. At that point, Mr. Dawkins got up and conceded that he had accidently sat in the wrong row. Everyone was staring and I was sssoooooooooooooo embarrassed. I decided it would probably be in poor taste to ask for an autograph. hahaha Obama as a chalk eating weasel..........best comment of the week. I'd love to see pictures of Chalky at the White House......maybe a state dinner........ Jim Tully, Great name and the next thing you know, you'll be writing OLA's, you softie. :) Jonah, A french fry is a great addition to all Chicago sandwiches. Loved your poem. The Midwest winters are rough and dreary.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Oh!! More MKB entries: Sweet Ducky - Spartan Tom ...The Duck was wisked away to Dubai a week ago! 1 3/16 mile $2 Mil UAE Derby at Meydan 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eDUB26.html#4 Denny the Great - Dennis McCue 6F 54K mdn spl wt Santa Anita 3/25 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/25/eSA25.html#8 Dominus - SR Vegas 7F 54K mdn spl wt Santa Anita 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eSA26.html#2 ....not a MKB horse but my Blue Thongatoga pick 'Arcodoro' (a 45-1 shot back then ) He's been working lights out ...6F 1:11.80 Bullet 3/19 so Beware... 1 1/2 mile 100K Tokyo City Cup at Santa Anita 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eSA26.html#7 Blackstone Pleeeezzze make up your mind.. Flashpoint is now a flash in the pan? are you Positive' about wanting Positive Response ?? LOL! If you weren't the IMS spreadsheet czar I would kick your B ! --------------------- Perusing the Santa Anita card for Saturday , race #5 I could create an OLA by using the horses names ...LOL! Annie, check it out :) And Annie check your emails tomorrow. I'll have sent you some notes. 'hou urnmd'
slot33 More than 1 year ago
Friday - 8th race - Tampa Bay $100 ex 6-3 Like 6 based on consistency, beyers, level Like 3 off the layoff
gil More than 1 year ago
#2 Last was nice maiden win. Although fractious at gate this filly showed good courage. My feeling is theres more to give. #5 Lost last race as 8/5 fav. Bad start hurt her chances. This filly seems to do her best work on the sod. Trainer having her usual steady meet. #10 Absolute horrid post with this race starting from chute.. She must show her early foot and be on the lead. $40 ex box 2/5 $10 tri 2/5*10 good luck all.
Mike A More than 1 year ago
The HG....225 I believe. Wish we'd have stayed with the LD, Oh well...... Hmm not a very good bunch, but there are a few that haven't run as much to totally discount them just yet........A few dropdowns, but as I've said you need be very careful putting too much emphasis on dd's and class rises when betting turf. That said I'll go with the two ligthly raced horses Monslewn and Lillies So fair. Monslewn fought gamely in last and left the rest of the field for dead, Lillies So Fair broke her maiden in ok fashion and the other races aren't as bad as they seem. That said I hope when Belmont opens we get a few races from there...... HG 225 100.00 exacta 2-4...........Mike A
leo More than 1 year ago
HG I like three animals in this 1mile dash. Dixie Kid, a deep closer with a trainer/jockey combo that produces a high percentage win total and a big roi. Liles So Fair, another deep closer that has run fair at this distance with some nice beyers that fits well with this group. Gimmearide, another nice animal that has good beyers at Tampa on the turf who should get the first run on the deep closers. 50 ex 6/ 1, 4
Laura More than 1 year ago
If anyone knows where I can find the Dubai PP's that include the timeform ratings along with the US speed ratings for the US horses, please let me know. I'd like to use them for tomorrow night's handicapping chat. It also helps with the pros/cons comments I like to give for each horse, otherwise the comments may be pretty sparse, lol. Laura CAPTCHA: 049 assign - is that a timeform #?
sparkybus More than 1 year ago
HG226 $100 exacta 4 -1
Mike A More than 1 year ago
VQ.......... Expert......By definition I reckon would be someone with a prolonged practical and educational experience in a certain field.......Though my guess would be that they leave out the part about actually applying that experience and knowledge in a positive way. I know lots of "experts" I wouldn't listen to if my life depended on it and that's not just in horse racing. I wouldn't consider myself an expert on all things turf.......Like BSB said " I'm a hack who has to carry his track around with me".......I reckon that's true enough. I'll localize it.....I'm pretty good at Gulf, and anything associated with the NYRA. 4 tracks is more than enough action for me. As to my "expert" testimony.....that had to do with a local contractor who (alledgedly) performed substandard work.......all I did was tell of the industry standards involved in performance of that work.......It was fun and I had a nice lunch to boot. When it comes to "experts".....no matter their field of expertise.....rely on the ones who apply their experince in a positive way. Otherwise invite them over for one of those cold New England nights and get them to tell you of their collective expertise.......it will keep you warm.....Mike A
Annie More than 1 year ago
AlydarandEasy, Hopefully you didn't have to make a 12-hour trip to watch your horse run in the La. Derby like that "other" owner did. :) Good luck on Sat.! Annie
knm More than 1 year ago
Mike A, I'm happy to say I landed on the same two horses as you did in HG. Perhaps that will bring me luck, LOL! My very simplified approach to nw2 is to look for the lightly raced horse(s), and see if I can make a case. i.e., I will also throw in Dower if he draws in . Do you think this a useful standard for this category of claiming race?
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Gulfstream 3-24-11 R8 #2 Straight No Chaser looks like the speed in here and will go ATB on this one #8 Rockcastle is the one to beat cutting back in distance today #12 False Economy seems to run after layoff gets Paco for the trip #6 Otro Visur demands a look in here at 5-1 odds second race in two years good luck all MH01
Annie More than 1 year ago
I just got home, and I'm really excited now. If BALA RAJA wins the 10th race, I've got the Pick 5 and the conso Pick 4, 13 times. With a $21.00 horse, the mighty SIR RABBIT. :) Annie
Ron Zuercher More than 1 year ago
C, I thought my header made it clear that East/West was tongue in cheek. However, we will probably now disagree on the definition of "serious handicapper". I consider myself one and I do utilize workouts, only at major tracks though. Workouts are not the straw that stirs the drink, but once I learn the trainers MO it is certainly one of the apples in the bushel which I consider in my handicapping. What per cent it is,I don't know, can't say, don't care. It is a factor in rating horse quality. I do not think it has downgraded my cashing per cent any. Vicstu I personally enjoy the quotes from Zito and in the past, Dudewayne Lukas' comments. If they say the horse is doing well, well I guess I'm a sucker and will take them at their word and then from the form, determine whether they are good enough. And if they say their horse has missed training or has a foot issue or is not cranked up, I will take notice and if they are suspect in the form also, try and beat them. Lately I have been watching some Australian racing, strictly for entertainment, no wagering. After almost every race they interview the trainer and the jockey. The comments seem honest and are enlightening and the vernacular is endearing. I think the US coverage could take a few lessons from the Aussie coverage. Annie We were pulling for you as we looked up the results. 13 consos should get your money back and some "free" wagers in the next few days. Congrats. Virgin Queen Thx for the correction. Jessica Pacheco, one of the tv analysts for Gulfstream is more than a competent handicapper. She is an astute race watcher and race analyst. Quite often she picks horses with nice prices, whereas her sidekick Ron, is a chalk eating weasel. Though knowledgeable. Michael Cook Very sporting your .02% chance, $100 straight superfecta. RonZ
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Mike A. once again you gave out some good ones at the Gulf wednesday Bergerac and Manchurian nice pays. EXPERT well my vote is yes you would be classed as an expert in my book because you continually put out money plays that come in oh probably 89% of the time thats in the expert class my friend. I look forward to your posts here on the blog keep it up Mike. good luck all who play this weekend MH01
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Mike A. if you will I would like your oppinion on a horse running at FG on saturday in the fifth race that has me perplexed a bit. #7 Archon has one run on the grass that resulted in a third on the lead and was then put in a stakes race on dirt and ran out by some 12 lengths. they then shipped him down to fair grounds in feb and has been working him all along with two 6F works in the mix. he came home in 13 and in his only turf race. would appreciate your expert oppinion if you so desire. thanks Mike good luck to all MH01
gordon More than 1 year ago
new york horseracing pure GARBAGE
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie Now that I have slept on my new request, would you mind if---just kidding, just kidding. Thank you very much. You have no equal (other than Gaddafi, of course) as a benevolent Czar. I can now get ready for a major wager on my MKB horse. And re Flashpoint? LOL-you are probably correct about winning the Derby. If he is actually in the starting gate I will surely bet him, among others, of course. S R Vegas--now, now, what Annie says goes. Your job is to salute and say "yes Mam, General Mam". But thank you, anyway, for your diligence in keeping up your spreadsheets. All If I have issued any checks to any of you in the last week just toss them-they are no good. I just discovered this morning that the pre-printed bank account number on the bottom of my checks is wrong (I opened a new batch late last week). Even though the error was done by the bank itself, there are two gorillas with a ball & chain camped outside my office-may have something to do with the $6,000+ plus in checks bouncing sky high. I really don't want to spend the weekend in the slammer-how will I be able to make my first wager on an MKB horse if I am begind bars? Maybe they have a computer system in there. Rats.
Dizzy More than 1 year ago
Handigambling $50 Trifecta 7/4-6/4-6
bearfan103 More than 1 year ago
The 6 horse, Gimmearide has the best Beyer and stepping down into the claiming ranks following a strong showing in her last. She went five wide on the turn and was essentially a neck out of second. The running line says Lacked late response, but that's not it looked on TV. Second place is a little wide open with the 3,4,5 and 7 as contenders. I'll toss the 3 Cat Be Nimble because of the layoff. The 4, Lilies So Fair, is also dropping into a claimer from the allowance ranks. However, she did not look competitive in either of her last two races and I'll wait and see on her. So I'm left with the 5 and 7. Stark's a Smarty is 7-2 on the morning line, but the 7, Winsomeforme has beaten hear head to head in 2 of their last 3 meetings. What's more, Winsomeforme is listed at 8-1. I'll take it. $100 Exacta 6/7.
CHAAZZ More than 1 year ago
HG 226 .. $.50 tri/box: 1-3-4-5-9 = $30 .. $.50 spr/box: 1-3-4-5-9 = $60 .. $5 ex/box: 1-9 = $10 .. Total = $100 ... CHAAZZ
joecem More than 1 year ago
hg i've heard it said that even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then, in keeping with that thought perhaps the 10, snow fair(0-20 trainer), may have a shot here. despite her lone win being a front running effort i suspect her best race will be from mid-pack. her first turf try she closed fairly well into a tepid pace. the 6 gimmearide top trainer/jockey and looks faster than these to boot. the 4, lillies, is a little troubling, 310k and theyre gving upon her after a two race comeback, 5f and a very quick mile. toss. and the nine in the money 10/12, two decent efforts on the river down turf. ....the play 20 ex box 6,10 5 ex box 6,9,10 10 tri key 6w9,10 5 tri key 10w6,10. GL all
chrismeesey More than 1 year ago
HG 226: $100 Trifecta: 3/6/7 #3 Cat Be Nimble, like most Cat horses, can run, a premium in a race with zero speed. #6 Gimmearide is solid and consistent, and #7 Winsomeforme has attractive odds and has done well lately, assuming he breaks this time.
Annie More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, OLA away! It's been a looong time. :) I'll check it out, and my E-mail too. Annie
Annie More than 1 year ago
KNM, PRINCE WILL is running in the Pan American at SA on Sat. He's the 2-1 Favorite!!!!! :) Annie
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
had a horrible day yesterday with my picks two races at GP the best I had ran 5th. 4 races at SA had one winner and one third. neither track had a very good field IMO. todays another day good luck all MH01 PS UNcle Sam worked yesterday for BB 6F 1:12 flat
Tom P. More than 1 year ago
Back for my third venture into HandiGambling. Haven't even cashed in my previous two. HG 226: $80 Exacta 6-4 $20 Exacta 4-6 All signs point to #6 - Gimmearide just being better than every other filly and mare in this race. Having just missed in her previous two races, that were won with respectable times, she was given a little time off and should come back strong. I'll put her on top despite the claiming tag. #4 - Lilies So Fair is my second choice for the latter half of the exacta, but I feel roughly the same confidence using her as I would my first choice for this spot (Already has been used in HG). She's coming off of two not-so-great performance off the long layoff. She was clearly outrun in her 5 furlong return, though I do not know if she was fit enough for such a sprint. And even though I haven't seen her previous race, it would appear she got a strange ride. In her last, she broke widest of all and appeared to be asked a little to gain position, the pace was quite fast and she was slowly taken back before making a run in the final quarter. She should gain ground on horses that run a 1:09 and change 3/4 split in a first-level allowance at Tampa, but I feel it was an alright effort, and puts her in the hunt for second at this level. She drops in for the tag on what I'm expecting to be a much improved effort. If the effort returns to her July '10 BSF she may challenge #6 - Gimmearide.
brutus More than 1 year ago
looking forward to Saturday's racing at FG... in the 3rd 1/16 turf (the Bayou) Valli with a Vow (1) ) (Robbie J Carroll) is a steadily improving turfer with a nice win over the course in the Pago Pago...last a 1/2 mile from home in a fairly quick race 23.3 47.1 at half...Valli showed a nice turn of foot to get home 1:38:6...rallied from outside to get up...tough competition in this one... small field so hoping trip doesn't hurt this closer. in the 6th the NO 1 /18...keep an eye on Country Flavor (empire maker) (1A PP 8 (Sellers/Geier)...I think he could sit pretty close to Mission Impazible/Birdrun and get first jump...can be a bit of an in and outer...but has run decently at FG (won the Tenacious /3rd in the Louisiana) and every time I leave him off the ticket...ouch... I know few Formsters like Animal Kingdom in the Spiral...Graham M seems to have the horse heading into the race in the right direction...totally blew the break at GP last out...still got up for second..King Congie for (Javier/Tom A) also worth a look if he takes to the sythn...but Postive Response will be no pushover Alan-not exactly sure of the line in "Guys and Dolls," but toward the end when Nathan is making one of his many promises to Adelaide...he promises her a "green house with a white picket fence" or vice versa...and then says "Just like the Whitney colors." I turned to my wife to say "How many of us got that one?" My MKB Alternation pitched a fit in the gate last Saturday...he told me the competition was too easy...so he didn't feel like running...yep, that's what he said...my story...sticking to it
Pig Bodine More than 1 year ago
H.G. 226 I would like to amend my original bet for H.G. 226, as I overbet by $10.00. $42.00 not $52.00 on #2 to Win, sorry and Good Luck to all.
jim tully More than 1 year ago
IronhorseCarlo You do know that LaNez ran her 6 1/2 furlong on the downhill turf course which, lo and behold, is downhill for half the race. That's why they call it the downhill turf course. And, though I am no phycisist, I'm almost positive that it's easier and faster to run downhill. Something about gravity.
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Iron Horse Carlo..........La Nez ran her race on the downhill....turf, I found a 1:07:4 and a 1:07:2 on Sunday, but that was on a sloppy track the following day.......I understand your angst, but exactly what's your point? Did you watch the race.....Everyone here will tell you it takes a lot to impress me and I was impressed......MacLeans Music is a tank.....If he continue's to run like that, even if he never leaves SA it will be a treat to watch......Mike A
Ned Daly More than 1 year ago
HG 226 I finally settled on #2 Monslewn Recency - Check Track - Check Distance - Check Surface - Check Competition Level - Check Beyer - Check (improving) Result - Check - won last Comments - Check - "long drive" and Lonnie Arterburn has six wins in nineteen tries So, as if it were only that easy, WAGER - $100 to WIN #2 Good luck to all!
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Jonah Race #5 at Santa Anita...I see LEMOU was 2nd, paying 31.20 and 11.60 . Nice job on picking him out. Hope you had part of that!
Mike A More than 1 year ago
VQ.... yeah, yesterday I took a shot.......I left Go Richie Go out because I loathe to play anything Dutrow throws out there. Then again he needs money for the defense fund, perhaps I should have thrown him in there. I still ended up making a few bucks.....with Bergerac running second....I like that horse, he tries hard all the time. I looked at the entries at Gulf for Saturday....you're right some nice turf races. I played yesterday more from lack of anything better to do, so I wasn't expecting much......the difference between 'I'm taking a shot" and "I like this horse" is pretty big with me. I took a shot in the 7th......I ran 1-3, I liked bergerac he loses by a NK......@ 7-1. For me it's practice, for some others it's life and death......People are funny, one day I get a call and someone is begging for help.....a week or two later they pick a couple of decent price horses and I get email telling me in a round about way they're better than me........I don't get it......I reckon the only reponse I have to that is "I wouldn't bet on it".......Would you like to go over Saturdays races? Mike A
Mike A More than 1 year ago
MH01............ Yes I will look......you're taking your chances with me and the FG's.....Until I do though...ask and answer a few questions. Where and against who did he run that third. How quick was the track that day? 13 come home isn't very good on the turf, so how does it compare to who he's running against today? Is the trainer a Northern trainer......could this possibly be a set up for a race at AP. Keeneland, TP or CD's?.....A case in point is a horse called Beachcoming......he was entered in the 8th at Gulf on Sunday.....he looked good, probably the favorite, best speed, looked good, they scratched him......I wondered why because to me he should have won......They entered him in the Spiral on Saturday......So I'm very interested in how he does if he goes.......apparently Chad Brown thinks he has a future also. Look at whta the horse has done and what you think they trainer is trying to accomplish by how the horse has run to date. Then ask yourself and answer CORRECTLY "how good is this field he has to beat" you answer that before you answer anything. I'll get back to you........Mike A
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Whackymacky "Here's one you can ask for...I don't know what the future plans are..." Macleans Music was not nominated to the Triple crown, so he will need to be supplemented by his connections to get to the Ky Derby....just an FYI.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Chicago G., That's Okay my man, eschewing the #2 Monslewn{U said U were sorry}.. BUTTS: you bet the #3 Cat ---w/a little in-depth knowledge, you should have noticed Capote, BC Juvenile winner back in the day, thinkem' maybe '84 or '86...Anyhow, Capote is the son of Slew..Heeheeheeheee...... You cannot escape Slewster-mania...Even if it's subliminal in your case...........LOL.........GL C., Just for you ???????? No ReCaptcha..........again..........heeheehee..........
Mike A More than 1 year ago
KNM........sorry, yes.....if horses have been in this condition a while it's a good bet to look for lightly raced horses who haven't proved themselves lacking yet. I catch many maiden winners to winners that way. If I keep giving this stuff up I'll have to look harder for prices.......Mike A
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
"Chicago, Chicago.....I gotta show you around...."....LMAO......... My Dear Gerry...You were alluding to Da' Tara, correct ? '08 Belmont Stakes, who went wire to wire @38-1....That took down the previous heretofore Juiced up Giant, Big Brown......Trained by Nicholas Zito......? Out of Tiznow ? Who just happens to be a SLEWSTER ? No ? Remember Kent D ? I told you about them SS'ers......LOL... What do you want Zito to do ? Tell everybody he has a stable full of Ham-boned Donkeys ? He's in the business to tout his services..Afterall, he is a horse trainer.......He trains & runs horses..... I know you didn't start this, but you did call Da' Tara, Tara Tara.........sounds a little like that old time movie........Tora, Tora, Tora......... Sincerely, Norm Crosby ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mike A More than 1 year ago
VQ........... Ok, good luck....If I see anything I like I will post my thoughts so you can compare. As far as the females.....Annie's a smart cookie. To the professionals.....I can't remember her name, to my ultimate shame, but I remember telling Mickey the woman who does the handicapping from Gulfstream is pretty good.....if she'd only learn to stop puckering her lips when she isn't talking. KNM............,br> Well I don't know if that's lucky or not......funny thing is I was going to wait to see if Dower drew in myself....... As to your question.....again as I've said many times it depends. Usually when you get a claimer that is a NW's of 1-2-3 there will inadvertently be horses who are dropping in class and horses who are going up.......on paper. The thing is, you need be very careful in that evaluation, never depend on numbers alone. With 4 year olds being a NW2 isn't necessarily a good thing depending on the circumstances. If a horse has been in that condition for a while and can't seem to crack it, I downplay there chances. Horses who are dropping to me, say from ALW NW1 it would depend on who they ran against and how well they did. The most important thing is to remember the reality of the race......Whoever you like, you have to not like the chances of all others......the question you have to ask is "Is the horse I like good enough to beat these today with his best even if they run their best". It's the question I answer every time I win, because if I can't answer that question to my satisfaction I pass. I'll give an example from a race today....... The fourth at Gulf was a 30,000 claimer for NW2L for three and up.......First and foremost 3 and up this time of year it's almost a sure thing that you can chuck the 3 yr olds....unless they are really good....which common sense says they aren't because they wouldn't be entered in this race. There were 3 horses who were 3 that looked good on paper....neither of which had ever run with older horses.....I reasoned they would take some money and were hoping they would (the public can be senile at times) I chucked them all. Of the horses left Kuggerand looked about the best, at least of the horses they would play....so I had to ask if he could be beaten. The answer was yes.....I knew Kuggerand from NY.....runs well enough to bet but seldom gets there. He had run two good races in this condition, his first off a layoff against a decent horse in PawPa Bowdie and the second in a fast heat against Tribal Bead. He deserved to be the favorite off those two efforts.....but Kuggerand seems to always find a way to lose.....his race against Triple Bead should have been a winner. So I looked to beat him if I could. The three horses I came up with were in PP order Roddickton, Ruhtro and Violater. Roddickton............trained by Michael Matz, who also trains Kuggerand, Roddickton is a 5 year old who had only run 9x with a record of 9-1-1-3, of those, 2 out of the three thirds were on the turf. Both races in MdSpWt's one at PHA. and the other at DEL. Both showed ability, the horse eventually broke his maiden on a wet fast strip at 1m. Given some time off he came back and ran against the likes of Battle Plan, Convocation and Dream OF Atlantis all on dirt and never disgracing himself. The horse had many interrupted running lines pointing to some physical troubles, but he always ran well. He had another layoff and came back Jan. 8th at 6f.....not his optimal distance....This was the race against Dream Of Atlantis.....who subsequently came back to win next out. Roddickton surfaced again a month and a half later on Feb 27th in a mile race......running against a Pletcher good one in Christmas For Liam, Roddickton was beaten by 15. Now being put back on the turf this was a serious drop down.....bigger than it seemed. I was concerned about the lack of works.....though I do not put as much into works as most do. He was a keeper. Ruhtro....trained by Mark Casse I thought, as I always do with trainers from Out of town, is he well meant here or down the road when he goes to his next venue. What I saw would answr that question. The horse broke his maiden on the turf at 6f. A nice race, he was raised way up in class an entered in an ALW 92180nc at 7f where he ran second to Stormy Lord in 1:23:1 over a moderately fast course. They apparently thought they had something because they entered him in a grade 3, 'The Summer stakes" against the likes of Bridgetown and Fantastico Roberto.....he ran second to last. This is where it gets dicey...... his next 4x they ran him on the fluff at WO. He ran terrible. That ended his 3 yr.old campaign. He was brought back Jan 28th at TAM in a 5f race an OC 16,000/n1x. He ran 9th of ten, but was only beaten 5 and came home in 11:4......the winner coming back to win again. With (2) 1:00 breeze works, one the fastest of the day I made him my top pick in this field @ 12-1. His was also a serious drop down. Remember this is a 30,000 clm for NW2L.......As to Violator....he broke his maiden in a MD claimer in good time his follow up race was too bad to believe, but I reasoned he wouldn't beat the top two, or Kuggerand for that matter, even on his best day. I bet Ruhtro W/P and bet an exacta box with Roddickton. One saver exacta with Kuggerand. Roddickton won......beat me a length or so, Ruhtro ran second more on class than anything else. He did pay 14+ to place and the exacta paid 133.00. I believe they ran the mile in 1:35 and change......not bad. Perhaps my mistake was not seeing Roddickton was perhaps a bit more conditioned for the mile.....live and learn. However everything ran as I supposed it would.....Kuggerand especially. I will look back and see how the three year olds ran, next time they will be with their own kind and depending on how they ran may pay a decent amount. ,br> Ok....so you see in this case it was past company and how they ran that was the key. Their times showed them to be competitive, not necessarily the best, but competitive....the Dropdown helps them there. For future reference......it's the Stakes and claiming NW 0f 1-2-3 where I excel....because it plays to my strength...being able to tell just how good a horse is and how good his competition is. It's why I take notes and why I usually do well when they come back to NY......I already know how good the horses were in Florida......KNM...... I can not express the importance of learning that one thing, to get real good at judging the competition.......In that 4th race I gave absolutely no extra points for running times, all they needed be was COMPETITIVE......it was strictly that they were better than who else was entered. Remember I narrowed the race down to having to beat one horse in Kuggerand. That was Game, set, match. Mike A
Dazed And Confused More than 1 year ago
IronHorseCarlo Blaspheeeemer!!!!! Better get out of town.....head east....the SoCal Thought Police are on the way!
Alan More than 1 year ago
(OFF TOPIC....but I've been good for awhile...) meathead01, You are correct! "Fugue for Tinhorns", from the opening of Guys and Dolls, was later on the Let It Ride soundtrack. Here's the song - doesn't it sound a little like Formblog or one of Laura's Friday night chats?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6djgavbp7c The movie is IMO best known for Brando singing and dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlQXvrWC_A&NR=1 Mr. Ebert, "Sometimes you can be walking around lucky and not even know it." I wonder about what criteria BetFair used to fire the four TVG hosts. Is there any evidence of age discrimination?
Two Buck Tommy More than 1 year ago
Here's a comment in a running line I have never seen before, describing Lavenham's March 4, 2011 outing in the 3rd race at TP: "Tripped over goose." I'm betting that the goose got the worst of that confrontation.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Dan, Just one more thing- I promise. Speaking of Zenyatta, which nobody has been, I am thinking if the gestation period for humans would be lengthened to 11 months like a horse, it would be useful, in that it would prevent overpopulation. Am thinking, with current technology, this might not be hard to do. Maybe 18 months would be even better. I know I kid around at times, but I am serious this time. Would also, be a job creator.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, According to Bloodhorse, thru Bobby Boy Baffert, Maclean's Music was always high on his list. However, he bucked shins big time last year, & was a very late starter in his 3 yr. old campaign. BBB said if he comes back strong he's "Eye-Balling" the Preakness.. Having said that, this horse could have an impact on the TC trail, even if he doesn't make the Ky. Derby, which is highly unlikely..I don't think getting nominated w/the extra cash is the problem, butts: Can the horse compete at this level, albeit, w/only 1 or 2 starts ? If BBB thinks so, me thinkem' lookem' Out.......Visually, he's a bull & fast..
kenny black More than 1 year ago
first off baffert doesn't train macleans music assmussen does second even if they were ridiculous enough to consider throwing the colt to the lions "and they're not" he would in no way shape or form have enough earnings to make the derby field end of discussion.
Jonah More than 1 year ago
SA 5: Our hero, LEMOU, got bobbed to second place--too bad I left the winner out of the reverse exactas. I didn't have the juicy $31-2 place payoff, either, but did make some on the $11 show, and got a hell of a thrill--the exacta the other way would've been very nice. Now I can join Curt V in thanking Calvin Carter and Mike A (and Steve T?) for highlighting the sire Leroidesanimaux. Does anyone (Dan?) have a full foal list? The one at the Racing Post is incomplete. Virgin Queen, You may prefer the lyrics to the song, but here's the original "Frownland," from the legendary album Trout Mask Replica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdjQCrO_xM -Jonah
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Just one more thing. p ensign, You may have already seen this, but if not, thought you might like to see some people who actually go out of their way to take care of animals. In this case, care for a miniature horse called Midnight. It shows that if there is a will, there is a way of taking care of animals. It demonstrates the racing industry could do more for its retirees, if they put their mind to it. http://news.yahoo.com/video/odd-15749658/mini-horse-gets-lifesaving-prosthetic-leg-24622712
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
One more Thing. Spartan Tom, That is not the answer to the question, but is a great guess based on good thought, and is true on its own merit. Thanks. Another hint has to do with, 'an in the money finish.' I agree with what you said about War Emblem. Things worked out for him, and like the NFL-"On any given Sunday". I think Baffert had another like him, (Summer something-I think), where thensame tactic fizzled completely.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Dr. Know, I have to agree with you regarding the Place wager and its use in the exacta. Good point and thanks. [] vicstu, You're right about Zito's enthusiasm. He is a colorful character and interesting. He likes to say his horses are "knocking down the walls of their stalls." Occasionally he would be right. He said it about Strike the Gold. For the most part I chalk it up to 95% hyperbole and the Zito personality. I know he had Tara Tara, but I can't recall any of his speed runners. I am sure he has had some. And where is Ice Box? Retired? Lost more than I should have on him, thinking he would run back to his Derby performance. Big closers on the dirt, in the main they are like Sybil, and tend to break you down. Dial In - am still a fan.
Fijiking More than 1 year ago
HG 226 Ah, it's good to be back at Tampa Bay Downs. #6 Gimmearide appears to be the fastest and most consistent, so she will head my ticket. Hot barn and hot rider. Cat Be Nimble (#3) may go to the front with excellent front-end rider Feliciano. Lillies So Fair (#4) and Starks A Smarty (#5) come from top barns. (#10) Snow Fair is in new hands and may be the only speed. My bet: $4 superfecta key 6 with 3,4,5,10. $4 win 6 = $100. Best of luck all. Fijiking
Annie More than 1 year ago
Darn! Another one of those Kitten's Joy babies. First start too. Well, it was exciting for awhile. :) My strategy for today was thinking that either Turnofthecat would win the first leg, or Bala Raja would win the last leg. So, even though I hate to do multiple tickets, I did one singling Cat on which I had the Kitten horse. But, Cat didn't win, so only 4 of 5. The other ticket, I singled Bala, so only got 4 on that one too. I can't believe the pathetic 4 of 5 payout - $76.65. :( This could have been a 10K day, but alas! Remind me again why I do this. :) Annie
Annie More than 1 year ago
Whacky, OK, you can have MACLEAN'S MUSIC. Now your challenging JONAH? LOL Good luck with him wherever he goes. :) Annie
Whackymacky More than 1 year ago
Annie I will take Macleans Music as my MKB Horse!!!! Baffert Cumbayaa, Baffert Cumbayaa, Baffert Cumbayaa, Bring on THE FACTOR!!!! Whackymacky Out!!!
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
- a bit of frivolous - Annie I'm out of practice, but here's an OLA. Santa Anita race #5 Saturday 3/26 The race was over, inquiry sign had stopped flashing. Tickets strewn across the grandstand floor. Mr BRENTHURST was muttering about getting another MARGARITA SHOT. The well dressed gentleman next to him was looking skyward saying LORDGIVEMEALIFT. The quiet young man with the PEACOCK ALLIANCE logo on his shirt and wearing a black baseball cap thought it had to be a Steward's MANDATE PARTY. How could they not change the outcome and BLAME IT ON THE JOCKEY or his horse. His mind burning with MENSA HEAT, conspiracy flashed. He was sure a quick buck or A FLEET DEAL had been made by someone. As he left the track something caught his eye. oh YES, IT'S A CAT....hmmm, a good omen for tomorrow, as he tucked the next days DRF under his arm. ------------------------- MKB Workouts: Palm Meadows - dirt/fast Dialed In - 4F 0:47.55 Breezing - TurnBacktheAlarm MKB entries: Kentucky Reign- Laura an AE, 65K mdn Clm 1M turf at Gulfstream Park 3/27 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/27/eGP27.html#11 ..looks like Whacky wants a horse :) ..off to the gym and PT . 'tionalet Jeffrey' ...oh! Jeffrey MKB owner of Rockin Out :)
Annie More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, Good OLA! Yup, that's us horseplayers. I cracked up at that BLAME THE JOCKEY. LOL I haven't had the heart to look at the chart for that last race yesterday. Maybe it was the jockey's fault that I missed out on 10K. :) If that fails, I can look at the chart for the first leg. It could have been that jockey's fault. At least that ticket died in the very first leg. It's stressful to get to the last leg and then lose. But, you know I'll try it again. :) Annie
gerry v. More than 1 year ago
Does anyone on this blog know if playing the top Tomlinson number (for distance) to win shows a positive r.o.i. in the Kentucky Derby? I keep thinking about Mine That Bird!
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Ron Z, Sorry not to get back. Just catching up. One more hint. It has something to do with breeding in a way. Am suprised with all the talent on the Formblog, no one got it. Good try though. Maybe someone has already answered the fun question correctly, I will look for it. If not, I will reveal the answer soon. Thanks.
vicstu More than 1 year ago
Here is an example of what C and I have referred to as the Zito Hype. Every year he gets goosebumps watching one of his 3 year olds or the horse is doing unbelievable as we approach the final weeks before the Derby. Zito on Dialed In: "This is the most important thing. This is the last eighth,” said Zito as he held out a stopwatch with 11:04 digitally displayed. “Did you see how he explodes? You see, he wants to come from behind. He wants to come from out of it. I got a headache from it, I was so excited--knock on wood...I hope he keeps doing this good because all I will have to get him there (and he will do the rest)" (From the Downey Profile). The point is not that Dialed In is not doing well...he obviously is and he is a nice horse with a running style that fares well at CD in the Derby. Rather, it is important to put Zito into context because he does this every single year...I can still remember him hyping CP West before the Preakness like the horse was going to beat the Big 3 on his looks and workouts alone. Zito is a very good trainer who is charismatic, but I always chuckle when I see the Derby quotes coming out from the Zito camp. Just ask C...every year.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Whacky, Here's one you can ask for...I don't know what the future plans are..BUTTS: Jess Jackson & Stevie A., sure get them....& stranger things have come in the form of HOY's....It's a "Steve T. Special">>>>>& he looks every part a Monster & could have smashed the Factor's record @SA if he was only asked........Maclean's Music>debut>107.44 hand rode & eased> Hey Zeus, before the race he worked in 1.10 Flat.........Super Highway or not,,,he looks like a MONSTER..........
Micheal Cook More than 1 year ago
HandiGambling…….No. 226 Lilies So Fair (#4) has never ran for the tag until today. She has one win in four turf starts. The 4yo filly gets post position four and shouldn’t have much trouble getting to the rail and the lead before exiting the chute and onto the main [turf] track. She should be able to save ground from there and have reserves at her disposal near the end. Goncalves is an 18% jockey and he and Proctor, when together - are winning at a very respectable 27% clip for the meet. A weakness in her PP’s shows Lilies So Fair has never been ITM in two [turf] starts at Tampa. I project improvement today, however. 9:2 ML corresponds to 18% win probability. I think that’s fair value. Gimmearide (#6) has finished within 1.5 lengths of the lead in her last two starts – the last one being January 14th. The layoff could very well be just what the doctor ordered. A regular work pattern suggests a healthy 4yo filly. Bennett is winning at a 21% clip for the meet and should figure ITM this race. But this filly has demonstrated a propensity to lose races: One win in 12 starts (8%). She’s my second choice. Speaking of showing a propensity to lose horse races…….what about the one-for-seventeen Winsomeforme (#7)? I’m sure the owner is wishing just that – a healthy percentage of the $17,500 purse. “Win me some of that” can imagine him saying. Zero wins in five turf starts isn’t at all encouraging although her pace numbers measure up respectably with Lilies So Fair and Gimmearide’s. Winsomeforme is my third choice. Strategy: The #4, #6 and #7 seem to be popular choices among many of the plays I’ve seen. Thus I’m going to take a shot with a low-probability play aiming for the fences. 5,040 Superfecta combinations in a ten-horse field. All things being equal, I’ll play my $100 as follows giving myself a ~ 0.02% chance of hitting the “Super-Duper Supa.” $100 Superfecta: 4 / 6 / 7 / 5 Good luck to all, M. Cook
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
ronZ hg226....thats all she wrote btw, i had please spelled right.."plz" is the online abbr of please. Jonah i enjoyed frownland..very nice poem TBTA...nice story about chocolate thunder and your son mikeA i appreciate the offer, but i just handicapp the card myself, then checkout formblog 2 c if any of the big guns ( u on turf, steveT&VS on socal, alan, dan etc landed on any of my selections or i should say if i landed on any of u guys selections ) you've noticed i didn't mention any of the girls on the blog..sad, very sad imo. not that their aren't any good female handicappers on form blog, i believe there is, but posting pks every day or on weekends with analysis seems 2 b more of a "guy thing." laura's great on pedgrees and from time 2 time will post her thoughts on a particular race as does annie and a few other's, but over all it's a male dominated bastion. just look at drf, how many female handicappers do they have? the only 1 i know is mary rampellini. even the "wizard" is a guy..lol. i have yet 2 c 1 female say, call this number now and i'll give u two price horse's 4 free. maybe i need 2 take the bull by the horns and jump in 2 the arena. btw, i have been devoting most of my spare time 2 turf racing i.e looking at times, getting 2 know the horse's, trainer's etc. also rail placement and of course studing pedgree's. gl
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Was reading about the Zenyatta sonogram and began thinking about her role in the gestation period. Am thinking there is going to be 20% development in the first 9 months, and 80% development the last two months.
C More than 1 year ago
"It's the East coast/ West coast bias. The East coasters think their horses are better than the West coast, so they pump them up by faking their workouts. They are 90% plus handily not breezing. They don't teach English in the Ivy League." I'm sorry, but this East/West thing is completely ridiculous already. Are there any serious handicappers who would even consider using workout designations to rate horse quality? Come on, now, get real.
Jonah More than 1 year ago
Hi Everyone, I looked at the fifth today at Santa Anita (3:04 pm PT) before coming to work: #1 LEMOU: another Leroidesanimaux, out of Melina Mou (2 for 8, 1 for 1 on turf with highest Beyer; 4/5 foals that raced won at least once, including G2 winner Leprechaun Kid; total foal record on grass 55-12-4-11). Didn't show much in first out, Md Sp Wt 65k at 50-1 on Feb 13 ("allowed to settle inside, saved ground after the right hand curve and was not a threat"), beaten by ROBBIE's CAT and EXTRA FIFTY (in this race); earned a 51 BSF. Improving works, including a bullet (1/7) in 1:11-4. Adds Lasix and blinkers. ML 30-1 Other contenders include #4 UNEX DALI (2nd to Akkadian last out), and #7 VALUATION (2nd to Quail Hill Jan. 20), but I'm interested in #5 HOUSTON HARBOUR, who hasn't run since 2nd to, yes, you guessed it--THE FACTOR. More interesting still was #11 COOK INLET, who was an impressive third in that Factor romp, but who scratched (again). There are a couple others, a contender at this distance from Gaines, #6 PARABLE, and a few other scratches, but it's the #1 and #5 I'm most curious about. 50% chance of rain makes the whole affair dubious, but I'm still interested in your opinions from a handicapping perspective, both for the real race, and hypothetically if the race were to take place on a dry, fast track, without the scratches. Uncle Steve, are you handicapping today? Does LEMOU look live to you at 30-1? Thanks and pleasant Thursday wishes, Jonah
IronHorseCarlo More than 1 year ago
INTRODUCING THE PHONIEST 114 BEYER EVER!!! How could Mclean's Music earn a 114 Beyer in his 1:07 2/5 debut when it WASN'T even the fastest 3/4s run that afternoon??? La Nez, a Cal-bred stakes winner, posted a 1:07 1/5 before finishing the 6 1/2 furlongs in 1:13 3/5. There was also a 1:07 4/5 posted later on the card. If you believe the 114 is real, then La Nez posted an approximate 116 and the winner of the 1:07 4/5 race should earn nearly a 109. WOW- With 3 winners on the same card posting a 109+ Beyer, either Santa Anita owns the most talented barn of horses in the last 30 years....or, the new dirt surface is bringing back memories of the Turf Paradise "ice rink" in the late 1980s and 1990s where $3,000 claimers were going 1:08 and change on a daily basis. Come On. This is a GREAT DEBUT and another nice horse for Mr. Jackson, but toss that 114 Beyer....If you believe it, I have some powered water to sell you.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
knm I found the free Dubai pp's on the DRF Dubai coverage. http://www.drf.com/news/dubai-world-cup-day-meydan click on the red Dubai Wold cup box, click on the Dubai racing information link, under racing reports , click on free pps, then click on Saturday 26, 2011. A bit cumbersome but it gives you 24 pages..
sidney greensheet More than 1 year ago
HG.... Corrected.....Typo $50 Exacta Box........4-9 GL
knm More than 1 year ago
Anyone, Where ARE the free pps for Meydan? Every year the same thing happens. I can't find them. Good heavens, a captcha. Haven't had one in ages! Chambers, aliki. A horse with that name??
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Positive Response I don't actually think Positive Response is a Derby horse-he would have to win the Turfway race on Saturday just to pass the earnings test, and then there is the problem of never having run on dirt(there are a few other questions, too, like lack of Derby quality). But, his Trainer is William E. Morey ("Kid Morey") who has been among the top two or three trainers in No Cal over the last six or seven years. Morey is an outstanding trianer with many strengths-he remains the only trainer to have won a training title over Hollendorfer in the last fifteen or twenty years (of the "major" No Cal Meets-not the Fairs). In January Morey thought he had his first Derby horse in Positive Response, so he mapped out a plan to get him there both in earnings and dirt experience. The horse finished third, though, to Silver Medallion in the Grade 3 El Camino Real Derby, which likely, and probably correctly, killed the Derby dreams. My guess is that Morey is now just going on a money run with the horse, hence the start on Saturday on synthetic. I suppose that if "Response" runs a monster race with a big number and showing the ability to rate off horses, they might re-think their plans. Otherwise, they will pick their spots and shoot for the most realistic purses they can, at a number of different tracks. I wanted him as an MKB horse both so that I can follow a horse and connections I know, and so that I can finally bet on an MKB horse. In spite of the presence of Animal Kingdom, I intend to bet Response hard-that's kind of the whole point to me. The distance question is a fair one, but if he wins again and I don't have him, I would never forgive nyself for being a chicken. In short, it will add fun to my MKB process even if I do not have a Derby horse: and really, who would want to rely on Mr. Dutrow (Flashpoint) for some fun. That seems like an oxymoron in concept.
R. Ebert More than 1 year ago
Alan, 'Even when you KNOW, you DON"T know.'.......Let It Ride.....
Whackymacky More than 1 year ago
Thursday notes... Who said that Desormeaux cannot win from the inside on the Turf at GP??? Race #7 I see that he rolled home on the OUTSIDE at 7.10-1!!! Swung wide foe the stretch run. Nice win ticket for him and whoever had him!!! Winning numbers from GP Yesterday: #1 4 Wins #2 1 Win #3 1 Win #8 1 Win #10 1 Win #11 1 Win Inside and Outside numbers??? What do you think of those apples? Annie I still need a MKB Horse!!! Who is left on the list?? Good Luck to all this weekend. Huge Card over in Dubai!!! Any ideas people?? Whackymacky Out!!!
Dr. Know More than 1 year ago
Chicago Gerry, One easy way to juice your returns is to bet your choice to win, and instead of the place bet use the horse on the bottom of exactas. If he doesn't win, but manages second you will have some nice returns.
billg More than 1 year ago
HG225 The #4 looks ready to go. had a tough trip from an outside post in last. significant jockey upgrade from the bug boy. Will pair with the #6 who sems to love the turf and synthetic and the #7 who is back to conditioned claimers. $50 ex. 4/6,7 Dubai world Cup is Saturday. smallest field is 10 horses in the golden shaheen. Golden Sword drew the #14 in the Cup. I may have to look elsewhere.
Ron Zuercher More than 1 year ago
blackseabass, I think you came up with an interesting thought about horses not having 5 miles under their saddle cloth before the Derby. But, I'm a bit like C, I want to see the statistics. I would like to know how many of the runners in previous Derbies have had 5 miles logged. The reason I ask is because a statistic is not useful to me without the qualifiers. Maybe all of the runners, or none of the runners have the 5 mile requisite, rendering the statistic useless. Don't get me wrong here, I love the stuff you present here, it usually gets me to thinking. And I really don't want you to look into this statistic, just saying and thinking. GOLDseabass: I guess you will never be broke wherever you go now with your new teeth. Seeya. RonZ
Yogi More than 1 year ago
HG #11 Dover (If he gets in. If not too bad) His first back since September got him the best Come Home Time and second best last out BSF. This one will be laying up close and blow by the rest. #6 Gimmearide I'm a little worried about the 2 month freshening, but the trainer is 19% off the bench. The career high (and highest for this field) BSF 2 back may have caused a little bounce, so the trainer may have the right idea. Second best Average Pace and highest last out BSF. $100 Exacta 11/6
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie I am hereby appealing to your patience and benevolence as Czar. I would like to cancel my request to have Flashpoint as my new MKB, and instead, ask for-------Positive Response. Here's why: 1.He's a local horse based at GGF. 2.Trained by Wm E. Morey and ridden by Julien Couton-both local guys 3.I'm 3 for 4 on him this year and most importantly: I can bet on him this Saturday at Turfway-FOR MY MAIDEN WAGER ON MY MKB HORSE. I am willing to pay any reasonable penalty you might invoke, and I might even pay any unreasonable penalty as well. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Dale More than 1 year ago
VQ: I know the question was not directed to me, but the answer is Darryl Dawkins. The main reason I know the answer is my nickname in a rec bball league back then was Vanilla Thunder. The Vanilla part fit (VERY blond hair), but I think at 5'9" tall, 145 lbs, and a 6" vertical leap, the 'Thunder' part was 100 % sarcasm. Dale
Anderson More than 1 year ago
• Maxwell G. raced to 16 years of age. What's the upper limit at tracks today? • Midnight Interlude, another War Front with a big performance on a wet track. • Tampa Turf for HG gets my vote (is it Thursday yet?)
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
GulfStream Park 3-23-11 R5 #12 Lady Loushe gave good effort last and showed late speed to get show LTS angle in play today solid 2nd last mile run #5 Redfoxey Dorothy runs fresh and coming off sprint in Jan. retains Velaquez got her the place spot should be part of the speed #3 Lakeside Chapel drops down in class for this race and think Solis puts her in play early on R7 #4 Summer in Giza drops in class today gets Lezcano and shows early speed and might wire these #8 Plum Creek good figures 2 off aand repeat of last gets all the money WLS a healthy 38% #11 Dream of Sidney two on turf and one place will be coming at the wire two works for this race today good luck all MH01
Annie More than 1 year ago
Blackstone, Thank you so much for your kind comments! That is exactly what I hoped to achieve when I first had the idea for the MKB. Giving the horseplayers the opportunity to see what it is like to be the owner of a racehorse. I know some people don't understand how someone can become emotionally attached to a horse that is drawn for them, but I think it is because you focus on that horse, follow his workouts and races, just as the real owners do and watch closely everything he does. And really, having a horse drawn for you isn't all that much different than buying a racehorse; he may be good, he may be bad, he may get injured, you just never know. And some of the Formbloggers are STILL following the careers of the horses they had a couple years ago. :) I'm so sorry that The Rogue was injured. You have really been playing the game to the hilt and it was sad for you, just like it was for the real owners. Others, unfortunately, have had similar things happen. But, that is really what it is like to be an owner sometimes. Its not all fun and games. At least it was his foot and not his leg, so hopefully he will recover well. You certainly can have FLASHPOINT. Hopefully he will win something for you, and maybe you'll even get a chance to bet on him. :) I'll have to look him up. Annie
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
HG 226 @Tampa, Uh Oh !!! Scratch my Slewster I......#2 Monslewn... Have to go to Slewster II....... So, make it $100 Straight Exacta>3/7>>Cat Be Nimble/Winsomeforme.......... Just hope this Slewster "Cat Be Nimble", is Cat Be Quick..& doesn't jump over the Candlestick..........These were my other 2 picks.....
J Cal More than 1 year ago
HG 226 Tampa R8 #/25/2011 4-Lillies So Fair- Drops in for a tag 3rd off layoff, bullet work, positive trainer stats with this move. 6-Gimmearide -Paired up Beyers in the 70s, that'll be good enough here. Freshened up for this. 7-Winsomeforme -Late run rounds out TRI, as there seems to be a few knockin heads up front early. Best of rest. THE BET: $10 TRI 4/6-7/6-7 ($20) $65 EXACTA 4-6 ($65) $15 EXACTA 4-7 ($15)
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
Annie thx 4 the heads-up on sinai...the only time i hear from baffert is when he wants 2 know if the " check is in the mail." VQ
Annie More than 1 year ago
Blackstone, Well, of course, your wish is my command. :) You may have POSITIVE RESPONSE instead of FLASHPOINT. Of course you realize that you have just made Flashpoint the Derby winner. LOL SR Vegas, Please make this change on your list. :) VQ, Yes, trainers are like that. LOL Good luck on Sunday! Annie
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
BSB, You got that right about the Foundation, being a Foundation business...Look, allocating $3 per diem, per horse, is like putting perfume on a skunk..It F'n still stinks... Send me the money, & I damn right know that those loving animals will have a happy & healthy existence......because I love the horses, NOT the money..........
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
CurtV your a little late 2 the party with $80 win on monslewn. VQ
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
VQ, >If the 3 or 7 run 2nd, I'll send you a get well card, in lieu of the free PP's.... Donald "TRUMP"........LOL... >D. Dawkins was drafted out of HS..one of the biggest flops in 76ers history. All 8' 9" tall, 525 lbs. of him...& he coudn't out-rebound Mickey Rooney.. Steve T., Came upon this tidbit after looking for something else..After the '05 Kilroe Mile Win........3/05.. "If there's a turf horse in the world at a mile, better than Brazilian Bred Leroidesanimaux he-or she-would have to be a freightening individual...." Fast forward to today.....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Leroidesanimaux is the "Best Valued Stallion" out there.."..W/a $15K fee it's a bargain..If I read it correct, it might even be down to $7,500..Think he's 2nd behind Montbrook in Florida, as I speak.......
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
MKB Workouts 3/23/11 -Santa Anita - dirt/fast Astrology - 4F 0:49.40 Handily - Dale Dominus - 4F 0:49.20 Handily - SR Vegas City Cool - 5F 1:01.60 Handily - Calvin Carter Silver Medallion - 5F 1:02.40 Handily - Tencentcielo -Palm Meadows - dirt/fast Economic Summit - 5F 0:59.90 Breezing - Mike A -Hollywood Park - all weather/fast Uncle Sam - 6F 1:12.00 Handily - Meathead01 & SR Vegas .. A Bullet!! MKB entries: Derivative - Keith L 6F 50K opt clm allow at Oaklawn 3/25 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/25/eOP25.html#9 Astrology - Dale Sinai - Virgin Queen 1 1/8 mile 800K Sunland Derby 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/27/eSUN27.html#12 Animal Kingdom - Ray Manley Decisive Moment - Sherpa 1 1/8 mile 500K Spiral Stakes at Turfway Park 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eTP26.html#10 Ghost is Clear - CHAAZ 7F 50K Hansel Stakes at Gulfstream 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eTP26.html#7 ...and a PGH Formblog Favorite of mine : Sedonia's R Betty Graybull 100K Ladies stakes at Aqueduct 3/26 http://www1.drf.com/static/entries/26/eAQU26.html#9 Good luck to Everyone!
Annie More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, That would be lovely if you could e-mail the 2nd round draft to me. I will be brave and go to my e-mail, although after such a long time, I shudder to think how many e-mails are probably on there. LOL Then I'll finally be able to catch everything up before more winners start coming in. :) I've been driving myself crazy thinking things like, "Wilkinson..that sounds familiar. Did I give him to somebody? No, maybe not." LOL It's bad enough that all I've seen since I got back was rain, sleet and SNOW! Yup, we had a snowstorm last night and today. Will it never end? :) Annie
Annie More than 1 year ago
C, Now now, I love my fast workouts in So Cal, especially fast "B" designated workouts. :) Annie
Annie More than 1 year ago
Well, whatya know. I've been having my name and e-mail automatically filled in by our beloved Captcha and NO captcha puzzles at all, and our DAN had a captcha: Jraquest 1986. Was that the winner of the 1986 Kentucky Derby? :) Annie
Van Savant More than 1 year ago
Uncle Steve; Since you are chock-a-block with Formulator PP’s following your emphatic HandiGambling victory from a couple of weeks ago, I am guessing that you have already peaked at Saturday’s Fair Grounds card. And in so doing, it is my guess that you noticed that NEW BAY (#3) is entered to run in the 7th race (The Duncan F. Kenner Stakes – 6 furlongs). I am also certain that you drew a line through his last race (on a sloppy track), and then noticed again that this guy actually does fit the bill for a synthetic-to-dirt entrant, and with a four or five length improvement over the dirt strip, he is a very live longshot, especially with his 30/1 morning line. Lastly, I know that his bullet workout on March 4th is on your radar (:57 3/5), as well as those other insanely fast workouts that preceded it. Then again, I could be wrong. And now back to our regularly scheduled programming…
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
mikeA just saw the results from GP..u were close but no cigar.....u had some nice price horses 2day...go richie go beat u out of the exacta and bergerac lost by a nk....chocolate thunder 23/1. i'm going down saturday..some nice turf races at GP. vicstu...mikeA played chocolate thunder in the 7th.. your a big basketball fan..what NBA player back in the 80's went by that name? the clocks ticking...tick tick tick...by the way if u don't know it yet we turned the clocks forward last week or there abouts. gl with the question...by the way no google...automatic disqualfication. peace VQ
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Annie I have blackstones new horse as Flashpoint. ...check! I also have the second MKB draw if you need it or any other notes. Just let me know if you want me to email them to you. ------------------------- I'm going to chime in on the H vs B designation in workouts. Since I have followed MKB workouts of 100+ horses each season for the last couple years, my own opinion is that each track & their clocker will interpret in their own way. It's a bit subjective. I see Breezing , a primary designation, not just at East coast tracks...put across the country. Santa Anita, Hollywood...generally are all Handily. But as Annie mentioned if I see a Breeze in a very good time/work . I pay attention as the clocker there does not give that out very often. Do I use the works 'B & H' as a comparision between tracks, No. But I do watch the times as my guideline. And I have learned alot about workout times in general :) 'finitely ourics' ...seems appropiate for this subject matter :)
gerry v. More than 1 year ago
HG226 $100 Ex. 4-1 4 looks prepped;1 runs well fresh...good jockey/trainer combo
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
" i had to testify in court today as an expert witness" mikeA how many times did u tell the court u were a TURF EXPERT b4 the defense raised an objection? VQ
cannibal More than 1 year ago
Are the free PPs for Dubai given out the same format as DRF's Meydan PPs. Looks far different. I don't see Timeform (or whatever they're called these days) nor Beyer numbers. Dan or anybody else know?
paul More than 1 year ago
HG 226: I think 6 will probably win--relatively high, consistent, beyers. So, I will try to beat him: $25 Exacta 5,7,8,9 w/ 6 That equals one hundred bucks, so I'm done.
CINNABAR More than 1 year ago
Can you post the PP's of Arromanches? thanks
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie If I remember one of your recent posts, Flashpoint is still available? If so, may I have him? While I have not yet recovered from the crumbling of my romance with The Rogue, Laura has these nasty $10,000 per month Association Dues for participating in the IMS Stable, and I would rather not use my own money. Thank you.
Alan More than 1 year ago
I'm watching Guys and Dolls on TCM right now. Ah....when horse racing was king! "I got the horse right here. The name is Paul Revere. And here's a guy that says that the weather's clear..."
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Alan isnt that also from Let it Ride with richard dryfus? MH01
Molesap More than 1 year ago
Sway Away Given that it has been reported that Sway Away supposedly knocked a tooth out in the gate incident right before the Rebel, are you willing to give him a "mulligan" for that performance or do you think it was a true reflection of his ability in routes? I am willing to give him another chance - perhaps because I thought he would run significantly better and was my clear choice for second behind winner. It could be in part because I hate to be wrong, but I think I will give him a hard look at the next race he shows up in.
HUNTER4FUN More than 1 year ago
new at betting on horses but like like guessing there mood and emotions at race time $50 trifecta 2/4,6/4,6
Ron Zuercher More than 1 year ago
Just a little fun before the weekend chicago jerry: The answer is?? They both took home the money. Ok, I give, what is the answer? VQ: HG Final Answer?? O/U 2-1 Alan: "Can do, can do, the horse says the horse can do" meathead01: It's the East coast/ West coast bias. The East coasters think their horses are better than the West coast, so they pump them up by faking their workouts. They are 90% plus handily not breezing. They don't teach English in the Ivy League. Whackymacky: The two tried to put the one over the rail for most of the race. It was a good call as was "The Call". RonZ
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Ron Z maybe its in the definition of the phrase "it depends on what the word breezing means" thanks ron MH01
C More than 1 year ago
"When you see the B designation in So Cal, it's often a go." This is where I want to see the numbers.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
VQ, What R U doing ? It was just last week you told me I did a "NoNo"....& now you done did it.. I don't mind at all, as long as the 3 or 7 come in......Hey, at least somebody is getting my drift.. Check out the 1st time starter{winner $15.80} in R2 today @the Gulf.....??? Who says pedigree doesn't work w/especially young tykes....or maybe tyke-ettes...?? When you finish your homework assignment, I duly expect a report on my desk tonight or tomorrow morning, Pronto !!!!!!!!!! BTW: I had the horse.............I'll be on those Leroidsanimaux's {sic} & that other guy ???? all the time w/the unknowners & upandcomers.........now, do your homework.....LOL.......
eddie spaghetti More than 1 year ago
Dan, Since you enjoy playing the Pick 4's what type of wager do you prefer, the $1.00 or the .50 cents pick 4? Can you find out what the average pay out was for the pick 4 at Del Mar in 2009 when it was a $1.00 bet compared to the average pay out in 2010 when it was changed to .50 cents?
Mike O More than 1 year ago
HG 226 #3 Cat be Nimble should fit well with these, matches up well with beyers. $33 Ex 3/1-4-6
Annie More than 1 year ago
Stella, LOL! I was gone, myself, for 12 days. And now I'm all screwed up. I've never gone away during the MKB before and I forgot where I was at. :) I have a line drawn through SOVEREIGN for some reason, and I seem to have lost the piece of paper with the second draft horses on it. I was hoping you could clarify whether or not you were given a new horse. SR doesn't have a new one for you on her list, so I don't at the moment know why I crossed out poor Sovereign. I'll keep checking. Remind me never to go away during the MKB again. LOL Annie
Stella More than 1 year ago
Anne: I was not given a new horse. Not sure why you have Sovereign crossed out but I was going to ask for another horse anyway since it seems like he is not going to run anytime soon. So if you have anything I'll take it. If it's Flashpoint I'll need a backup for him if possible. I will still try to find something. Me
sidney greensheet More than 1 year ago
HG #4 Lillies So Fair............... better than last two #9 Sparkles Gold Band.......been tryin hard...maybe the switch to the lawn does it $50 Exacta box.....4-10 Good Luck All
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Well I ran 1-3 with Manchurian High and Chocolate Thunder.....Go Ritchie Go slipping between and killing my party.......However Bergerac ran second to the favorite, so I collected enough to cover todays bets. No harm no foul......hope some of you won some money today.........Mike A
raitchjay More than 1 year ago
HG: $25 Trifecta 6/3,5/3,5,7,10 #6 just plains looks faster and classier than anything else in here. #3 and #5 look like the most obvious choices to fill out the exacta and the #7 and #10 i think will be good prices that could run 3rd and make for a decent tri.
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Now if I had only said I liked lakeside Chapel for fifth, not fourth or sixth, but fifth, I'd have been onto something......Mike A
Laura More than 1 year ago
Van Savant, We'll be covering all of the graded stakes from Sat. card at the Fair Grounds in Friday's Handicapping chat at the IMT website. Hope you can make it. Since we can't cover all of the races in one night, we'll skip the Pan American from Gulfstream, Bourbonette from Turfway and the Toyko City Cup from Santa Anita. They're all G-3 races. That still leaves 12 races for everyone to enjoy. Also, if anyone has a good grasp on the Dubai racing scene and wants to assist with the chat commentary, please email me today or tomorrow. If you need PP's please email me. Thanks, Laura PS - for the newcomers: Chat is held at the Iron Maidens Website on Friday, March 25 at 9:30 PM EST. Everyone is welcome to join. No software to download and no registration needed. We have plenty of astute cappers but plenty of fun too! http://www.ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com/Chatpg5.html
Annie More than 1 year ago
MKB UPDATE: The GR3 SPIRAL STAKES at Turfway on Sat.: RAY MANLEY'S Animal Kingdom, Alan Garcia up VS SHERPA'S Decisive Moment, K. Clark up Good luck! Annie
Pig Bodine More than 1 year ago
H.G. 226 $5.00 Trifecta 2,6,/2,6,/5,7,8 $1.00 Superfecta 2,6,7/2,6,7/2,6,7/7,8,9,10 $52.00 #2 Win
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
HG226@ Tampa, I do my own calculations on Turf>so there..........& to the casual observer, you would think I'm playing the Slewsters....right ? Well you're right..BUTTS: not because they're Slewsters, butts: because of my calculations as will be posted.> I don't like the 1 & he's a Slewster..so there... $80 Win> #2 Monslewn...... $10 Exacta>#2 Monslewn over/ #3 Cat Be Nimble... $10 Exacta>#2 Monslewn over/#7 Winsomeforme........ Total= $100> Thank you very much.......Sheriff Dan Illman....... #2 Monslewn> my figure w/adjustments come home time is 24.1> & I love horses on Turf who have little races under them. 1st tried Dirt & ran evenly. 2nd race he was hooked & fired back & held sway. Love that in a horse & love the 12-1. Right up my Slewster alley...& M. Allen can fire them out.. #3 Cat Be Nimble>off since Nov. '10..Mile seems a tad short for him. Butts: He came home in 29.1> This Slewster may hijack my party, butts: I'm thinkin' a little too late.. #7 Winsomeforme>He beat most of these donkeys before a few times, & if closes like he did in 23.2, then my goose is cooked... I could do a safe bet, butts: I want the "whole damn thing Party....." & I didn't want to deal w/ a ReCaptcha> so I didn't have too>'cause I did the ReCaptcha removal Curt tool thing get out of my face enough already thing party........
Rogelio Garcia More than 1 year ago
My bet is a $50 Trifecta. #4 (Lilies So Fair) with #6 (Gimmearide) and #7 (Winsomeforme). $50 Trifecta- 4/ 6,7/ 6,7 I like the #4 to win because of the recent 3 fur. bullet workout. I expect the 4 to be near the lead turning for home. The #6 tends to come from way back and this can be a problem on Tampa's turf course. I am expecting the 6 to make a run but fall short. My longshot play is the 7. The 7 ran against better but ran evenly according to the comments. I expect the drop to help. Look at the past races at this level. All three previous tries are in the money placings.
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie Thank you both for the nice comments about the Rogue, and for giving me Flashpoint. Now I get the opportunity to mange the unmanageable-Mr. Dutrow. We'll see if he is tougher than me. The smart money is on-my wife. She's tougher than both of us put together, for sure. Laura In the BLACK-if we're in the Red with $689,000+ in earnings then someone has their hand in the till. There can only be two suspects, and I'm not one of them. Remember last year I tried to borrow $2 from Petty Cash for a large Show Bet? You said "no, too much risk". In the RED-ha. Not a chance. meathead01 Thank you for the response, but it looks like we differ some. I think he might come in first, or last. If he's sound and feeling good then he probably wins(IMO). As to the workouts, I just don't think that is Pletcher's style. I think there is a message there. I also think it's interesting that you are on Country Favor. I will give him another look. We'll talk before then, so I will save the "good luck" for later.
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
HG226 monslewn..broke her maiden last out at 2 days distance..not facing much the play...$100 win #2 monslewn GL VQ
gordon More than 1 year ago
sad to say but I remember better racing at the great barrington fair than I have seen at aqueduct this winter. why don't they just close from december to april. this caliber of racing is bad for the industry . the small bankroll players have no chance. todays 2nd race trifecta pays $245 with the 3-5 fav off the board. unreal!!!
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Another dreary day here in NY....rain, snow mix.....chilly. I had to testify today as an expert witness. For the plaintiff......it was fun, if you can call court fun. I know the folks I testified for were happy......they offered me money, I wouldn't accept it, though I let them treat for lunch. I may be kind hearted but I was also hungry. Calvin......
Annie More than 1 year ago
MKB UPDATE: OK, the GR3 Sunland Derby with the 800K purse will feature: DALE'S Astrology, Julian Leparoux up VS VIRGIN QUEEN'S Sinai, Martin Garcia up Well, I'm sure you two will be nervous tonight. If either one wins, they should make it into the Derby gate, just like that. :) VQ, You lucky! Baffert picked your horse to go in there instead of my AWESOME. :( Now AWESOME has to win the SA Derby, or there's not much chance for me to go the Derby. Annie
Dan Illman More than 1 year ago
Folks, I have attached Micheal Cook's selection of Race 8 at Tampa Bay Downs for Friday's HandiGambling 226 exercise at the bottom of the most recent blog post. Fire away! CAPTCHA: Jraquest 1986
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
formbloggers today at SA should be a profitable day for us that bet there with Rosario and Gomez off for the day. Nakatani and PV should take a lot of money and that leaves the others to take a long look at. I will be playing a few today. good luck all MH01
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Santa Anita 3-23-11 Wednesday a lousy betting field today but as always a few do pop up to wager on. R4 #5 Nitro Active with talamo should get the money R5 #6 Magnificient Blend with Talamo will get part of the prize R6 #1 Warrens Peacock with Quinonez will be his best chance for a win today R7 #2 Shesfitforaking gets the turf master Nakatani for this loves this distance 3 for 5 in the money and should finaly break thru #4 Jax El shows she can go to the front and stay around and finished a strong second three back at this distance #6 Unknown Heat last to long for her should relish the cut back today and gets speed freak Talamo to ride good luck all MH01
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Dan or any form blogger why do the works in the east and south seem to show B as the majority of the works as opposed to the west coast showing mostly H as there works. I know B is for breezing but why the dominant work is breezing out there. you hardly see a Handily work on the form. thanks MH01
Annie More than 1 year ago
Meathead, I think I can answer your question. This is why I like the West Coast works procedure better than the East Coast one. The East Coast makes it sound like almost all the horses are just doing their works easily and effortlessly (just breezing along). In Southern California, horses rarely get the B for breezing unless it is a truly effortless work in the eyes of the clocker. To me this has often pinpointed horses that are really, really ready and raring to go in their next race. When you see the B designation in So Cal, it's often a go. :) Annie
Antonio Margheriti More than 1 year ago
West coast clockers give an H to mostly everything unless a horse is noticeably held back, in the east everything gets a B unless they are flogging the horse. I don't think there is any rhyme nor reason to it, just personnel preference of the clockers.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Dan, One other thing about your post and the Big Cap. Had Setsuko not been in the race, he would not have been interfered with. It is his own fault for being in the race to begin with. Judges apply this logic every day, and it seems appropo here.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Dan our Man I really enjoyed the last Mike Beer & Dan Illman Performance of the week 3/21/11.. You guys are great together and excellent in your analysis. Keep it comming! A few things I noticed this week... #1 ...Dan, you are more relaxed than before, or tired? Re formblog: Questions posted about, the % of how you spread out your wagers. ie: wife, husband, track wager, or other...) So , I'll kick in my .02 cent about that. ..my best guess is that: -50% are Dan picks and management ( with Mike Beer of course ..luv U guys!) -20% Olivia Katherine Duckworth & her younger brother Adien Clark, , and the new cousin Daryn Lindsey, now 7 weeks old? They must be engaging you with creamed spinich, smashed carrots, or other pulverized protein foods splashed on your DRF form ..what ever lands on the horse name in the program must be considered, eh? ...or maybe oatmeal, and cereal splotches. Of course , they are helping you pick out the Best horses names. Especially "KATIE" names. Dan --- they must be helping you with your handicapping? Maybe that's the late nights you are keeping? -30% The lovely wife (no taxes) , because she deserves it, and ALL girls love to shop. :) = 100% Hhmmm, I'll do the math...I know you disappeared for a bit for a week or so....is there a new handicapper in town, backing up The Sherriff? 'good oodurp' ...yep, that about sums it 'up
Whackymacky More than 1 year ago
Aqueduct Sloppy,sloppy,sloppy.... Race 1 Bridge Jumpers played the #2 Troop Support. Show pool was $35,986 // $42,935 Played the others to show for $50. You never know in the Sloppy conditions. Won 4 fun... Whackymacky Out!!!
Laura More than 1 year ago
Blackstone! Dues? what dues? You told SR Vegas and me that we were in the red! Now we know how you finaced your trip to the track with Jonah. Laura CAPTCHA: So-called Niyc? is that supposed to be Nice? Who makes up these Captchas, VQ??
Whackymacky More than 1 year ago
Who said that the Steward's have a tough time making a decision of disqualifing a horse?? Case in point: Tuesday Fairgrounds Race #4 1/5 Shot #1 Speedacious ran in a 5 horse field and was clobbered down as the favorite. This great aninmal was bet BIG in the show pool!! I was watching as you know..... They open the gates, run the race, a little bumping here the there, final numbers are up. Our boy runs 4th at .20 cents on the dollar. Not good for the bridge jumpers!!! But wait, what do I see, the RED INQUIRY SIGN FLASHING!!!! The #1 is claiming foul against the 2nd place finisher!! Could it be?? Can we be this lucky on a Tuesday? They never take horses down at the FG'S!!! You need a major violation, like in the SA Big Cap. (LOL) After a few minutes, low and behold, they take down the 2nd place horse and put him BEHIND our 1/5 shot. We move up to the 3rd spot. The show price is posted at $2.10. Could it be? Have the steward's helped us out in our time of need?? Some say that it is to be better on the inside than the outside. What do you think formbloggers? I doesn't get better than that. Do they play Fair at the Fairground's?? Who knows.... Good luck this week all. I will be playing Cards and Horses at Foxwoods over the next few days. Tons of action to see and to be a part of... Whackymacky Out!!!
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Mission Impazible I'm wondering if some of you have the same concerns I do about the durability of Mission Impazible. He is entered in Saturday's New Orleans Handicap, and is listed at 3-1. Based on his running line in 2011 and his connections, of course, he looks on the surface like a major player in that race. Here is my problem (or maybe I'm chasing ghosts here): Ran twice as a two year old, then was sidelined for eight months: Ran four times as a three year old (I had him in the LA Derby ), then was sideliined for eight months again: In 2011 has run twice and looked good-his second race was better than his first race: He has had three workouts since: the first was good, but the last two were bad, maybe even poor. Is he sound? Is he maybe ready to be sidelined again? I don't know, and that is why I'm asking what everyone else thinks. Based on what I see, I could not play him at 3-1. Maybe some of you think differently?
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
blackstone also have the same feelings as you on Mission Impazible and what I see is he ran two good races in row and did get the lead last and drifted late to lose the nod. Pletcher imediately changed jocks and put a more agressive one in Gomez in hopes that he can guide him home a winner. his last two works are in question but maybe TP does not want to use him up in the morning and therefore if he is fit and only Pletcher knows this he will show up on the track. his win in the LA Derby earned him a 94 beyer and his two races this year beat that one showing Pletcher that he is improving and is up for a good effort. I have him finishing second behind Country Flavor. hope this helps some . good luck MH01
jim tully More than 1 year ago
Haven't posted in some time but I thought of the perfect name for Rachel Alendra's full sister. Lotta LiveUpTo
Annie More than 1 year ago
Jim Tully, Great name for Rachel's little sister!! "Lotta" will have all eyes upon her, that's for sure. Lotta baggage to carry, poor dear, especially since complete duplicates probably aren't even possible. Post more often! :) Annie
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
Dan, Liked your 'Under the Radar,' article on Elite Alex. Nicely written and you are a busy guy. I don't see how you squeeze everything in. After seeing the McLean's Music, am thinking the Derby winner may well be one that is 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in one of these Stakes races or one of these, that jump up from nowhere. It has happened before and more than once. It will be interesting to see if the trainer made the right decision to scratch out of the Rebel. Of course, facing The Factor and his post position may have been just too much. I don't know if it has been mention on the Formblog already, but I read that Sway Away may have had a tooth knocked out in the gate. Regarding your playing the pick 4, it makes a lot of sense, I am more of a WP and exacta player much like steve t mentioned the other day. I think if a player has a particular track or circuit the W-P, ATB, and exacta can be good. For most good handicappers one of which you mentioned, two things seem to emerge on a regular basis.: Discipline and Record keeping. Both have been mentioned on this board several times, and many times whenever a Horseplayer's Champion is interviewed, it comes up. Regarding the W-P wagers I am sometimes conflicted about the Place aspect of it. I know there are systems where more money is wagered on the Place to get back the Win wager, should the runner not win. To me, putting more on the Win makes some sense and less on the Place- or no Place wager at all. Surely putting the most money on a higher payout, which comes from higher odds, makes more sense over the long run. If the runner places you are going to take a hit regardless whether or not you had a Place wage, so another hit of not putting enough on the Place to get your money back or, if the runner does place and one gets part of his total wager back, seems to me to be an acceptable trade off. To me, a partial saver is OK. The problem arises when the runner comes in 3rd or worse. The handicapper is out everything in this case. In a situation where a the runner runs out of 1st and 2nd, had the person only wagered on the Win, or less on the Place he/she would end up with more money in his pocket to be used on another wager. I guess a lot depends on strength of conviction and the odds at the time. [] CV, I knew you were messing around and that I was messing around regarding Uncle Mow. Am always, messing around anyway:) I really did like your 'Uncle Momentum,' though. After the Wood, that is what Uncle Mo may bring to the Derby.
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie Now that I have had my fun throwing out some jokes about last Saturday with Jonah and the Factor, let me set the record straight lest all or many of you think Jonah is some crazy chest-thiumping wild man. Much of whay I have written was a fable, and like most fables had some elements of truth, but mostly not. So: 1.Annie-this was the first time I have actually been involved during a race with an MKB horse. Even though not mine, it almost felt like it. The whole day for both Jonah and me was one of excitement and anticipation. Why? Because of the emotional attachment resulting from your creation and nurturing of the fantasy MKB "Game". I thank you once again for your great idea to begin with, your incredible energy in driving it forward, and your almost uncanny ability to select competitive horses so that so many of us can enjoy the Derby Trail and process much more than we normally would. If you can package and sell it, you should, although you must bring along your sidekick (S R Vegas, of course): she too adds much to the process. Thank you. 2.Jonah didn't tell anyone he was an owner of the Factor: I did, on his behalf. That fits better with what you would expect, right? But the Ticket Taker part of Jonah's post was true-she must have been there for forty years and seemed to know everyone there: she was beaming like a proud Mother once she thought Jonah was "connected". So that was a fib worth telling. Were we actually excited? You bet, or actually we bet, but that was only part of it. We were beaming all day, and still would have had there been a different outcome. All because of something with the obscure name of "MKB". Just terrific. Jonah-great post. Lots of LOL's. And thank you for the kind words. We'll do it again, and as you said sooner rather than later. Virgin Queen-great-I mean great-one-liner about Obama. Wouldn't that be a kick if he turned out to be a handicapper? Guess we'll have to wait for the tell-all book.
GunBow More than 1 year ago
Thanks Dan for the Big Cap Beyers. I think this brings home just how low the fig was for this year's Big Cap. And like I wrote in an earlier comment, it hasn't just been the Big Cap that has witnessed such a Beyer decline. Almost all of the two turn stakes races run at this SA meet have been below the 20 year average. The highest two turn Beyer at the current SA meet is Misremembered's 105 at a mile, the highest Beyer over a mile is Twirling Candy's 102 in the Strub. Compare these figs to those of the Big Caps listed. it wasn't even 5 years ago that people were discounting Lava Man's repeat in the Big Cap because his Beyers of 113 and 109 paled in comparison to the Big Cap Beyers of Best Pal, Siphon, Free House, Farma Way, General Challenge, and even Milwaukee Brew. Now, Lava Man's 113 and 109 performances would be met with national acclaim. What makes the difference between this year's Big Cap Beyer and Beyers of previous runnings even more significant is that the lower Big Cap Beyers from 08-10' were produced on synthetic, a surface that simply doesn't produce the super high Beyers we see on dirt. While Beyers of 112+ occur multiple times on dirt every year, such Beyers are rare on synth, with Zenyatta's 09' BCC Beyer of 112 representing either the best, or one of the best synth figures ever, thus far. So, if we remove the 08'-10' runnings, the weakness of Game on Dude's 99 is even more startling. Yes, Steve T's theory that the two turn contingent in SoCal is incredbily shallow, especially compared to the sprint division, could play an important in role in the lack of 100+ Beyers around 2-turns. One scenario I posited is that it's possible that, across divisions, the 2 turn horses in SoCal are simply the slowest in history. One problem with this theory is that it seems unusual that ALL 2-turn divisions are so weak. Not one division is producing Beyers at or above historic norms. PrePeg's San Felipe Beyer of 96 is about 2-4 lengths below historic norms, as were the Bob Lewis, Santa Margarita, Santa Maria, La Canada series, San Fernando, San Pasqual, San Antonio, Las Virgenes, SA Oaks. Even Twirling Candy's Strub Beyer of 102 falls far short of the Strub performances of Best Pal, Mizzen Mast, and Medalgia d' Oro, all of which earned a 119 Beyer. I think Tapizar's 98 Beyer in the Sham is the one figure approximating the stakes norm, but the Sham hasn't been around as long and until this year was the B-race to the San Felipe/San Rafael. Now, if it's true that the older males, older females, 3 year old males, and 3 year old females are all well below par this year at SA around two turns, one wonders why this is so? Is it just a statistical anamoly, a fluke, and that the figs will trend up toward and above the mean the next few years? According to this line of reasoning, SA is simply having an off-year, and it's just a matter of time until a better group comes around. Well, what if this isn't a one-year fluke? What if this year is evidence of a longer trend? What if the Beyers would have been low in 08'-10' even if the races had been run on dirt rather than synth? If true, then factors like the early retiement of star horses, breeding(for speed), and maybe even training techniques come into play. It does make some sense that after the early retirment of so many top horses over the last decade that the ranks of the older horses, the horses that should produce the highest Beyers, are just thin and lack the talent of even 7 years ago. That's possible, but the early retirment trend is not new, and it doesn't explain why the low Beyers hold for the 3 year olds or why the Beyers for sprints are much closer to norm. Well, the the fact that sprint Beyers at SA have been much stronger than the 2-turn Beyers could be a partial result of the ever increasing emphasis of speed in breeding. The lack of high Beyers around 2-turns may not be just a SA thing, but something happening across the country and over a number of years now. Thus, we simply don't have the level of 2-turn talent we had 10 or definitely 20 years ago. Proving this would require much further study. The final possibility, and one I raised originally, is that the Beyers for 2-turn races at SA are simply off. The change in surfaces at SA over the last 4 years undoubtedly made making figs for the track more challenging, especially since we've gone from a synth track that often punished speed around 2 turns to a dirt surface that promotes quick early fractions around 2 turns.
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
" i hope he ( jonah ) will share with us his conversation with obama." i totally agree, with the 2012 election just around the corner, i think the voting public has the right 2 know if the president or any other canidate 4 that matter is a "chalk eating weasel." VQ
Micheal Cook More than 1 year ago
My preference would be a race Friday 3/25/2011 at Tampa Bay Downs. I select R8..........A 1-mile $32,000 claiming event for 4yo's and up on the turf. If this presents a problem, then we can use the race Dan mentioned. Thank you, M. Cook
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
"Chicago, Chicago, that madenin' town.........I'll show you around......" When I commented about your gazillionth nickname for Uncle Momentous............assuredly you knew I was being facetious & making a funny, right ? Sort of like your revisions in the HG's, No ? That's all I meant, butts: since you are remiss in knowing who owns him as a MKB........ The majority owner of the said '11 Ky. Derby Winner is the onerous & beloved & respected & all encompassing, none other than, the Blackseabass>AKA:Goldseabass...........DI & CD himself.. Oh!! BTW: The minority owner & TRAINER & touter, of said winner is : Moi..............& don't you ever forget that again........LMAO./or I'll close down that damned town..... Frank Sinatra........
Van Savant More than 1 year ago
I love how the PP’s for Fair Grounds were available on Sunday night. I didn’t print them out until Monday, but I have been working on the card since then. Up to the Louisiana Derby, I really don’t like this card. Better said, I don’t have any particularly strong feelings or thoughts about these races. I find myself somewhat relieved, actually. I was planning on playing this card with some vigor, but now it appears that I will make some action plays and lay low. I haven’t had much success at this track since the end of December/beginning of January. Unless I see something that I have missed, of course. It’s a good card though. Tough, but good.
Annie More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas, OK, I guess STELLA will have to let us know if he, indeed, does have another horse. :) Annie
Steve T More than 1 year ago
We’ve taken a look at the three year old colts in Southern California; now let’s take a look at the three year old fillies: ALEC’S MOON (February 2008) (Malibu Moon x Bello Cielo, Conquistador Cielo) (7-3-2-0) Dam: 17-3-2-4 ($144K) Siblings: Ayla Bella ($107K), Tiger Bait ($96K) Trainer: Jerry Hollendorfer She seems to have all sorts of trouble in her races yet she still wins. Her latest was a win in the $80K Portland Meadows Oaks at a mile, a race she won in a laugher by seven lengths. It is not unusual at all for Malibu Moon’s to take their sweet time maturing. Think she will only get better as time goes by. She is entered this weekend at Portland. AMERICAN LADY (April 2008) (Stormy Atlantic x Comfort Zone, Rubiano) (0-0-0-0) Dam: 5-2-0-1 ($57K) Siblings: Pisa No Vegas ($319K), The Pamplemousse ($209K), Thermostat ($83K) Trainer: Bob Baffert So what is an unraced maiden doing in the middle of the Top Fillies list? For two reasons, one she is half to The Pamplemousse and two, she is burning up the track in the morning – including her last (8th work) in :58.60. Unfortunately she has some of that same weird running action as her brother, but she should do quite well when she debuts in the next month. AZ WARRIOR (April 2008) (Bernardini x Carson Jen, Carson City) (6-2-1-1) She has already won a Grade 1 (Frizette, beating R Heat Lightning), and finished last in the BC Juvenile Fillies. I think she is a duplicate of her brothers, she’ll pop up and win at a mile or less and will throw in the towel at any longer distance. She finished 3rd in the Santa Anita Oaks to Turbulent Descent and Zazu in a five horse field. Nice sprinter and with that pedigree could be hell on hooves on the downhill. Dam: 17-4-4-3 ($137K) Siblings: JZ Warrior ($328K), EZ Warrior ($238K), BZ Warrior ($86K) Trainer: Bob Baffert BROWN IS BEIGE (March 2008) (Popular x Hoochie Coochie, His Majesty) (3-1-1-0) She is an interesting one that I caught watching her work her eyeballs out time after time. She is running in high dollar claimers now, but is maturing well and could be a force in the summer. Dam: 29-4-2-4 ($111K) Siblings: Project Fifty Five ($41K) Trainer: Jeff Bonde CALIFORNIA NECTAR (Stormy Atlantic x Absolute Nectar, Carson City) (9-3-3-0) She has proven to be a cold stone sprinter who probably is good up to seven furlongs, but after that… Don’t like the direction she is headed, works are off, last out in the Santa Paula she was tattooed by Mildly Offensive. Dam: 13-3-1-3 ($99K) Siblings: Kentucky Nectar ($33K) Trainer: Doug O’Neill CAMBINA (February 2008) (Hawk Wing x Await, Peintre Celebre) (8-4-1-0) I love this little filly, and she is tiny, but has the heart of a lion. If you haven’t seen her run, take a look at her last two, the China Doll stakes on 3-13-2011 and the La Habra on 2-21-2011. She is bottled dynamite and it will be real interesting when she goes up against Unzip Me and the older downhillers. Dam: Unraced Siblings: None Trainer: Jeff Bonde CATHY’S CRUNCHES (March 2008) (West Acre x Miss Atticus, Atticus) (10-5-3-2) Dam: 19-5-2-4 ($138K) Siblings: Kaps Choice ($25K – won his debut and never raced again) Trainer: Jerry Hollendorfer Another with a ton of heart, she has not missed the board in any of her ten races and is tenacious as all get out. Unfortunately her last two were against Cambina, and she finished 2nd and 3rd to her. Her dam sire Atticus owns the record for a mile on the turf at Santa Anita, a 1:31.89 in 1997. HOUT BAY (April 2008) (Harlan’s Holiday x Western Rush, West by West) (2-1-1-0) A late 2008 filly, she won her debut easily despite blowing the break and followed that up with a nice 2nd to a VERY good filly in Mildly Offensive. Expect her to continue to improve rapidly and could be the belle of the ball come summer. Dam: 32-5-4-4 ($167K) Siblings: None Trainer: John Sadler KILOGRAEME (March 2008) (Graeme Hall x K.O. Princess, West by West) (3-2-0-0) She won her debut, then won her N1X and then was thrown to the wolves in the Santa Anita Oaks finishing 4th after being steadied sharply. Probably too much too soon, but she will be back and will be a member of the varsity for a while to come. Dam: Unraced Siblings: Mischieviousmoment ($32K), Stilleto Ridge ($29K) Trainer: Mike Mitchell MAY DAY ROSE (February 2008) (Rockport Harbor x May Day Bluff, Pine Bluff) (7-3-1-0) To say she is quirky is an understatement, she doesn’t want to rate at all and is a handful to ride. She did win the Grade 3 Santa Ysabel, but it was a frickin three horse race and the time was slow. They will keep trying her in routes, but she looks like a sprinter through and through. Dam: Unraced Siblings: May Day Vow ($205K), Revivalist ($80K) Trainer: Bob Baffert MILDLY OFFENSIVE (February 2008) (Sharp Humor x It’s Personal, Personal Flag) (2-2-0-0) She is a potential superstar with two convincing wins in her two attempts. Last out she won for fun in the Santa Paula, drawing off to win by 4 in a geared down run. Think she will continue to improve and will relish the added distance. Although she is behind the power curve, she could run in the Kentuck Oaks, that is how good she is. Dam: 21-6-4-2 ($233K) Siblings: It’s No Joke ($686K), Big Popeye ($474K), Shigeru Kaminari ($230K), Keep Laughing ($150K) Trainer: Carla Gaines PLUM PRETTY (March 2008) (Medaglia d’Oro x Liszy, A.P. Indy) (3-1-0-2) Thought she might be something special but really hasn’t progressed, she was 3rd to Zazu and Turbulent Descent in the Las Virgenes, and 3rd to California Nectar and Zazu in the Santa Ynez. Her works have slowed down and she needs to find a place that she fits, turf? Dam: 2-0-0-0 ($680) Siblings: Trends of Gold ($28K) RUMOR (May 2008) (Indian Charlie x Mini Chat) (2-1-1-0) This is another interesting one, she won her debut in style and then was a little short in her N1X and was passed late by Kilograeme. Think she is still among the best out here, but they are being very cautious with her, the May foal date says that is probably wise, and seeing that Mandella trained her sire and grandsire, I think he has that bloodline down cold. Dam: Unraced Siblings: Dixie Chatter ($465K), Bobbie’s The Best ($95K) Trainer: Richard Mandella SEA SONG’S GRACE (April 2008) (Elusive Quality x Bells Are Ringing, Sadlers Wells) (0-0-0-0) This is another unraced maiden who is tearing up the track in the morning, the interesting thing is that they have worked her 4 of the last 5 times from the gate so there could be an issue there. She should debut in the next three weeks, and it will be interesting to see how she behaves in the paddock and at the gate. Dam: 7-1-0-0 ($7K) Siblings: Keep Me In Mind ($49K), Abby Road ($42K) TELL A KELLY (May 2008) (Tapit x Evrobi, Tabasco Cat) (6-2-1-1) At one time the darling of the two year old filly contingent in SoCal, she quickly became yesterday’s news when Turbulent Descent started her streak. She finished 3rd in the Hollywood Starlet to Turbulent Descent after a nasty run in the BC Juvenile Fillies, finishing a dull 7th. They have moved her to Florida and she is working at Palm Meadows. She could be one that doesn’t make the jump from 2 to 3 or she could come back stronger and more mature, I am voting for the former. Dam: 9-1-2-1 ($35K) Siblings: Melody Mine ($10K) Trainer: John Sadler TURBULENT DESCENT (March 2008) (Congrats x Roger’s Sue, Forestry) (5-4-1-0) She has heart, she gave it everything she had and then some in the Santa Anita Oaks to get the win. Thank God that her trainer Mike Puype had his eyes open during that race and decided that she is not going to race past a mile, a very wise choice. She should be a factor for a while to come in sprints/miles. Dam: Unraced Siblings: Lovely Golda ($28K), Spy Park ($23K) Trainer: Mike Puype ZAZU (February 2008) (Tapit x Rhumb Line, Mr. Greeley) (7-2-4-0) I am not sure which direction she is headed, she wins the Las Virgenes over Turbulent Descent and then finishes behind her in the Santa Anita Oaks. Wish I could say that she is progressing, but… She did have an excuse last out when she was squeezed late. Dam: 9-3-0-1 ($97K) Siblings: Art Princess ($44K), Star of Sapphire ($13K) Trainer: John Sadler
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
BSB, good 2 c u posting again..BUT, like blackstone said, stop the GOLDseabass stuff. u created an image on this blog under the moniker bsb. stay with what works lol. enjoyed your thoughts on TF, i expect u will b doing the leg work on the female when we just about know who will b in the starting gate on the 1st sat. in may. in case u missed my reply 2 your question awhile back, like u and steveT and others i believe in stats. i think this is the 1st time since you've been on the blog that u have mentioned the milage of prev. derby winners. always good 2 know stuff like that. btw, when u do the work on the female, post some numbers. peace VQ
C.Warner More than 1 year ago
Dan, Years ago I made my only trip to California and was able to visit Hollywood Park. My aunt who lived in Altadena , took me to the track for a day of wagering. Pick-4 wagers were a new bet and available there , unlike the east coast at that time. I remember playing a Shoemaker trained horse , another ridden by Carlos Baltazar , the other skips my mind , but the last was a maiden race and I had singled a horse named Twilight Agenda in a 7 furlong race. He had the lead the entire stretch and was caught right at the wire by a mount ridden by Danny Sorenson , who I was unfamiliar with at that time. Could you please print the PPs of Twilight Agenda so I can relive that near score. I bet a $10 P-4 that had three singles and two in one race. The last winner and Twilight Agenda were close in odds and the P-4 paid over three thousand. Close but no cigar. With the PPs I can recall the winning horse that shattered my dream. Thanks, Charley
dylbert More than 1 year ago
Yes, let's make Louisiana Derby this week's HandiGambling contest. One of three big days on Louisiana thoroughbred racing calendar each year, Louisiana Derby Day, is crown jewel. Million dollar purse, 9 furlongs, and excellent undercard create excitement and superb betting values. I will be there! Will you? (and other two days are: Super Derby each September at Louisiana Downs and Delta Jackpot in Nov/Dec at Delta Downs)
p ensign More than 1 year ago
"In order for one to thrive in this game, one needs to make scores." Truer words have rarely been ritten.... EUniat >member