12/06/2011 6:55PM

Juveniles to Watch, "Company" Workout, Top Beyers


*Todd Pletcher unveiled a promising juvenile at Gulfstream last Saturday.  DISCREET DANCER, a son of first-crop sire Discreet Cat and a half-brother to Grade 2 Swale Stakes winner Travelin Man, broke the track record for 5 1/2 furlongs with a romping victory.  Discreet Dancer earned a 100 Beyer Speed Figure and he is one of only four juveniles in 2011 to reach the triple-digit Beyer plateau (Pletcher trains three of them).  Discreet Dancer probably didn't beat much in the weak maiden, however, and his pedigree is geared to speed.  He may be more of a sprinter or miler than a true horse for the spring Classics.

*On the juvenile filly front, Al Stall sent out APPLAUDING to win an entry-level allowance at Fair Grounds on December 2.  Applauding, a $50,000 yearling that resold for $370,000 in February, scored by six lengths with a 91 Beyer Speed Figure.  This followed up her debut victory over the Keeneland polytrack on October 14 (won by nine lengths with a 92 Beyer).  Applauding is by Congrats out of an unraced half-sister to the fleet Grade 2 winner Crafty C. T. (won the San Rafael around two turns, but was primarily a sprinter/miler).  Applauding is fast out of the gate and looks stakes-bound.

*Although she's not near a start just yet, Zenyatta's little sister, EBLOUISSANTE, worked three furlongs in 38.40 on December 2 over the Hollywood cushion track.  Eblouissante, like Zenyatta, is trained by John Shirreffs.  This was her first work back after getting sick and she may find a race early in 2012. 

*Great ride by Garrett Gomez aboard KETTLE CORN in the Grade 3 Native Diver Handicap at Hollywood.  Go-Go saved ground every step of the way while tracking pacesetter TRES BORRACHOS.  Kettle Corn found a seam along the rail in upper stretch and wore down the game veteran in the final 150 yards.  The  Native Diver was Kettle Corn's first crack in stakes competition. 

*New York-bred COMPLIANCE OFFICER made it six wins from his last seven starts with a facile tally in the Claiming Crown Emerald Stakes at Fair Grounds.  The scourge of the statebred turf division in the Empire State this year, Compliance Officer tried the big guns to no avail in the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Mile, but got back on the beam at the Claiming Crown.  Taken for $25,000 by trainer Bruce Brown on May 14, Compliance Officer has to be considered one of the best claims of 2011. 

*Not sure if he's top, top class just yet, but ANCIENT ROME was very game in taking down the Spectacular Bid Stakes for juvenile sprinters at Gulfstream.  A son of Roman Ruler, the $35,000 yearling ($62,000 juvenile RNA) refused to lose for trainer Tony Dutrow and jockey Joe Rocco Jr.  Ancient Rome is out of the multiple stakes-winning sprinter Wish It Were (by Is It True)


Here are the top 25 Winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's races (11/28/11 - 12/4/11):

1.  EIGHTTOFASTTOCATCH - 103 - Jennings Handicap - 1 Mile - Laurel
2.  DISCREET DANCER - 100 - Md Sp Wt 40k - 5 1/2 Furlongs - Gulfstream
2.  KETTLE CORN - 100 - Native Diver Handicap (G3) - 1 1/8 Miles (Cushion Track) - Hollywood
4.  IT HAPPENED AGAIN - 97 - Claiming Crown Jewel Stakes - 1 1/8 Miles - Fair Grounds
5.  SILVER MEDALLION - 96 - Tropical Turf Handicap (G3) - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - Calder
6.  ATTHEBUZZER - 95 - Claiming Crown Express Stakes - 6 Furlongs - Fair Grounds
6.  COMPLIANCE OFFICER - 95 - Claiming Crown Emerald Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - Fair Grounds
6.  GORGEOUS MELODY - 95 - OC 62k/N2X - 1 Mile - Gulfstream
9.  PEDROLINO - 94 - Claiming Crown Iron Horse Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles - Fair Grounds
10. BEAR TOUGH TIGER - 93 - OC 62k/N2X -N - 6 Furlongs (Polytrack) - Woodbine
10. CASABLANCA SMILE (Chi) - 93 - La Prevoyante Handicap (G3) - 1 1/2 Miles (Turf) - Calder
10. DATA LINK - 93 - OC 80k/N3X -N - 1 Mile (Turf) - Gulfstream
10. DR. DISCO - 93 - Vodka Stakes - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - Aqueduct
10. FLASH MASH - 93 - OC 40k/N2X -N - 5 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - Fair Grounds
10. WILLYCONKER (Ire) - 93 - Clm 40000(40-35 - 1 Mile (Turf) - Hollywood
10. ZERO RATE POLICY - 93 - Sunshine State Stakes - 7 Furlongs - Gulfstream
17. ANCIENT ROME - 92 - Spectacular Bid Stakes - 6 Furlongs - Gulfstream
17. ELLAFITZ - 92 - Bayakoa Handicap (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles (Cushion Track) - Hollywood
17. MCKENNA'S JUSTICE - 92 - Zia Park Distance Championship Handicap - 1 1/8 Miles - Zia
20. APPLAUDING - 91 - OC 50k/N1X -N - 6 Furlongs - Fair Grounds
20. AQUITANIA - 91 - OC 50k/N$Y -N - 5 1/2 Furlongs - Laurel
20. C C'S PAL - 91 - Garland of Roses Stakes - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - Aqueduct
20. EAGLE POISE - 91 - Valedictory Stakes (G3-C) - 1 3/4 Miles (Polytrack) - Woodbine
20. KENS CAPE - 91 - OC c-25k/N2X - 6 Furlongs - Laurel
20. MAP OF THE WORLD - 91 - Alw 8000s - 5 Furlongs - Parx
20. SWEETSOUTHERNMOON - 91 - Alw 16000s - 6 Furlongs - Fair Grounds

*Eighttofasttocatch's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

*Kens Cape was claimed for $25,000 by King Leatherbury from trainer Dane Kobiskie.


I know that some of our posters have enjoyed the Cloudy's Knight documentary directed by Jessica Pacheco, the racing analyst for Gulfstream and Arlington.  If you haven't seen it yet, check out the following link:



Laura, Calvin , Dan our Man ...anyone?
a 2 yo question
I'm looking at the entries for todays HLWD race# 8
MR NEWTON caught my eye. (as a 2 yo, he looks like a Zenyatta wanna' be without the white blaze) but he has Long Legend on both the sire and dam side. Who also was in Street Sense pedigree.
His dam Society Gal is 1/2 to Mr Greeley , who is the Sire of El Corredor and Long Legend was Mr Greeley's dam.
..could he be a diamond in the rough?
Many thanks!
SR Vegas

The ridgling has been a disappointment thus far, finishing off-the-board in all four races.  He sold for $3,000 as a weanling and for $48,000 as a yearling before going to the Brother Derek owner-trained combination of Cecil Peacock and Dan Hendricks for $110,000 in March.  As SR Vegas noted, it's an interesting pedigree as he's by a son of multiple Grade 3 winner Mr. Greeley (El Corredor) out of a half-sister to Mr. Greeley.  Mr. Newton is a half-brother to Grade 1 sprint winner Mona de Momma, stakes-placed sprinter Treasure Hunt and multiple Grade 3-placed sprinter Jigadee.  He has some speed.  Perhaps he'd improve with blinkers as he has some early zip but that inbreeding is a bit too close for my liking.


Could you check the archives for Northern Dancer PP's.
As always, thank you
sal agro

Northern Dancer's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post


Do you think there is any shot Wise Dan could be up for a nomination for older male in the Eclipse awards? Just curious. We are obviously very proud of what he has accomplished this year. You know that is the first time he has ever won on a fast dirt surface?
amy lopresti

He's had an excellent year, but it may be a longshot for him to get a nomination for champion older male.  Horses like Game On Dude, Acclamation and Tizway figure to receive a good amount of votes. 


In a previous post, Clinton asked about some broodmares.

Here is a list of foals out of Perfect Arc, the winner of the Grade 1 Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup in 2005.

1999:  KEPPLER (by Spinning World) - 16-4-1-1, $55,013
2000:  No Report
2001:  THEARTOFPERFECTION (by Peintre Celebre) - 12-1-1-1, $23,800
2002:  CELESTIAL ARC (by Southern Halo) - 7-0-0-2, $5,347
2003:  PERFECTLY WILD (by Forest Wildcat) - Unraced
2004:  ARCTIZ (by Tiznow) - 20-1-0-3, $18,806
2005:  PERFECT PUSSYCAT (by Forest Wildcat) - 6-0-0-0, $2,751
2006:  No Report
2007:  PERFECT SHARC (by Johar) - 1-0-0-0, $118
2008:  No Report
2009:  POLAR COORDINATE (by North Light) - Unraced (worked a bullet out of the gate at Payson Park on November 4

Rogues Walk, the winner of the 1995 Reeve Schley Jr. Stakes, doesn't have any registered foals.

Lottsa Talc, who won the a pair of Grade 2 sprint races in 1996, has foaled:

1998:  LOTTSA LUCK (by Unbridled's Song) - Unraced (died as a yearling)
1999:  SYNONYM (by Wild Again) - 31-3-8-4, $80,147
2000:  SEXY STOCKINGS (by Tabasco Cat) - 7-2-2-1, $42,420 (dam of multiple stakes-winner Garter Belt and Grade 1 winner Jackson Bend)
2001:  Aborted foal (by Southern Halo)
2002:  No Report
2003:  LOTTSA FIZZ (by Slew Gin Fizz) - 32-3-2-4, $56,170
2004:  Aborted foal (by Outflanker)
2005:  HIGH SOCIETY GAL (by Monsieur Cat) - 3-0-0-0, $336
2006:  COOTER'S POND (by Monsieur Cat) - 2-0-0-0, $510
2007:  EVIL POWDER (by Hear No Evil) - 22-4-2-3, $57,769
2008:  Barren (bred to Awesome of Course)
2009:  FORT LOUDON (by Awesome of Course) - 8-4-0-2, $333,485, multiple stakes-winner
2010:  Bred to Awesome of Course
2011:  Unnamed (by Consolidator)
2012:  Bred to Awesome of Course


Some questions.
Recently I read the "closer look" portion of the online form and noticed there were at least three if not four different prognosticators for Hollywood Park. Why not just have one person do them all and be an expert on Hollywood or do those three or four just do Hollywood and split up the work due to time constraints?
I also emailed a racetrack recently requesting where I could find the show photo of a race. Of course, I was pablummly? directed to their photo finish site and only the win photo was there. When I re requested the show photo I was ignored. But that got me to thinking. How does the chart caller note in the chart that the 6th place finisher beat the 7th place finisher by a nose and they were both beaten by 23 and 3/4 lengths? Seems like it has to be a photo.
Also: Aqueduct, 11-25, 2nd race on turf. The live video was saying "yielding -2" I didn't see anything explaining this on the NYRA site. I believe Australia and Europe are going to some kind of a rating system of the "off" turf races. Will the DRF be noting these new turf designations? Do you think it makes any difference, these further refinements?

The Closer Looks are split up due to time constraints.  Tracks draw at different times and we want to get the material out as quickly as possible in order to make the print deadline. 

Chart-callers may use photos, but they also can use the video replays to determine beaten lengths at each point of call. 

I'm not sure about the "-2" designation.  Could it be, and this could be way, way off, that the "-2" is simply listing the race number?


Any reason DRF doesn't provide entries for Gulfstream Park? And in the case of this Wednesday, any reason Gulfstream Park doesn't provide entries for Gulfstream Park?

Gulfstream isn't conducting live racing this Wednesday. 


Dan our Man
How to you find workouts for horses working in conjuction with one another ?
 as C and you previously noted, an older established horse working with a younger 2 yo, or lightly raced horse, and how they compare ...can be a good bit of information.
Thank you.
SR Vegas

Several racetracks list "house workouts" on their website where the trainer of record is noted next to the time of each worker.  The following link will take you to Hollywood Park's website:


Click on the December 2 icon for Hollywood Park and head down to PASTORIA (scheduled to make career debut in the fifth race on December 8).  You'll note that both Pastoria and DON PERICO are both trained by Martin Jones and both worked five furlongs in 1:03.40 handily.  Thus, we can make the educated guess that they both worked in company.  But, how do we know if Don Perico is any good? By clicking on the trainer's name in Formulator Web, you will get an alphabetical listing of every horse the trainer has sent out over the past five years.  Scroll down to Don Perico and  click on his name.  You'll see that he is a 4-year-old gelding, has a lifetime record of 6-1-1-1 and boasts a lifetime best Beyer of 83. 

For tracks that don't utilize these house workouts, rooting out "company" works can be more time-consuming.  You'll have to match up horses by times and then search the trainer database to see if the "matched-up" horse is even trained by the same conditioner.


Congrats to Annie for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise.  Let's go with Hollywood's eighth on Thursday for this week's race.

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan."
Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified.
Please post your plays and analysis to the blog.
Please separate the play from the analysis and label the play "HG" with the program numbers (instead of the horse's name) for easier scoring.
In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please.
I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.
I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

Best of luck to all.

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Turnbackthealarm More than 1 year ago
Addendum to Sr Vegas post: Arcodoro was a Medaglia D'Oro, like Rachel Alexandra, and was her spitting image except for the blaze. He also had a sensational behind, just like hers. It wasn't big and sprinter like, but exactly proportional with lots of muscles. I was not as smart as SR Vegas and bet someone else. knm and pgm, Steve T has said in the past, but perhaps not this time, that the Poly's do not all work the same. For some reason there is more of a correlation between Woodbine and Arlington, likewise Turfway and Del Mar, with Keeneland not really corresponding strongly either way. The one thing I have noticed is that the Unbridled Songs don't care which poly they are on, they like all five tracks. And at Arlington, an Unbridled Song with a big butt in a sprint is a license to print money. David, There is a great book written by Tom Ainslie called "Body Language of Horses". That will give you a great start on physical "tells" to watch for. Another interesting phenomena, if you religiously watch one circuit that gets many horses by the same sire, will be tendencies of the offspring to have some of the same quirks. When we were out at Del Mar, Steve T could find an Unusual Heat without a program. They all throw and toss their heads around whether they are being led, ponied or ridden. It was wild! Now I get a chuckle whenever I watch a So Cal post parade, because I can see it too.
tencentcielo More than 1 year ago
HG $100 to win #2 She figures to be the "inheriter" closest to the rail, so I'll take a shot. Will have to hope the rail opens up when the speed backs up. Not sold on some of the others dropping out of the same level.
Steve T More than 1 year ago
PGM and KNM (sounds like sponsors for the Nightly Business Report), Yes, there are some A.P. Indy's that get through, but their overall record is abysmal. I only have the stats from Del Mar, although I am actively working on Turfway and Keeneland. This report brought to you by KNM Industries and PGM Partners... David, I will try to put something together for you on physical handicapping - I know we ran through this before on the blog, but hell if I can find it. It is on the regular schedule of recurring arguments along with dosage, Beyers, Tomlinsons, Zenyatta, Giant Oak, Dutrow, and synthetic tracks...
robby More than 1 year ago
Bow and Scrape thanks for the history lesson next time tell me about these 2 yearolds before they race. How bout a real discussion, what do you think about TVG/ Betfair's foray into peer to peer wagering? I think it has the potential to do for horse racing what the hole card cam did for poker. How about intra race wagering and I don't mean exacta's, etc. I mean making a wager at the 1/4 pole. Think that might attract some slots players? And what idiot thinks offering a competing form of gambling, slots,at race tracks is good for the sport of horse racing. Can anyone POSSIBLY be more shortsighted. And a message to state goverments, your takeout rates were established when racing was the only game in town and your laws enforced that exclusivity, now that you have opened the door to every form of gambling known to man how about giving racing, the only gaming with a social upside, an even break on the takeout. Rant,rant, rant sorry but just heard that my brother is selling the family farm.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
HG261@HP, Let's go w/the 2 Thieves, I mean Juicers, don't get excited, ala Jack LeLanne, along w/the Slewster..... & a shoot from the Hipster{What is Hip, tell me tell me, do you think you know, what's hip today might become passe, you're on a Hip Trip, maybe Hipper than Hip.....}Tower of Power.....'72.. This is a 2 yr. old Filly Maiden Race>I think anything can happen here, so, I'm including a Fishcake & a Crabcake{Hopefully no fillers, just meat}........ $44 Exacta Box >#2 Under Protest & #3 Nicos Memory>That's a 2-3 Exacta Box=$88 $2 Exacta Box>#2, #5, & #11>=@12 TotaliZation= $100.00
Turnbackthealarm More than 1 year ago
Bernard Downes, Went back and found your post on the last thread. Not only will some employers in America not accept gamblers, here's one that has me scratching my head. The Admiral's Club is the premium spot for American Airlines elite status flyers to wait for their flights. You can get free drinks, even alcoholic ones! It's quiet, the bathrooms are clean, newspapers from around the world, conference space, showers, comfortable couches, etc..........but when you try to log on to the FREE computers they supply, you can't get on Bloodhorse.com, DRF.com, Thoroughbredtimes.com or even Pedigreequery.com all because they deal with horseracing/gambling. I didn't try any others after getting shut out of these. But, ray of sunshine, even in Istanbul, Turkey, a predominantly Muslim country, you can log onto DRF.com in the British Airways premium access lounge. Regarding the slang, sorry it is so confounding for you, but if it makes you feel better, I just skip those posts because it is too hard to decipher and much of it is personal banter that probably pre-dates this blog. I'm not very IT saavy either and can digest information much more easily when the posts are written in standard English, with paragraph breaks, punctuation and capitalization. It's no reflection on the quality of thought or intelligence of the writer, I think I am just too old and set in my ways to try and adapt. Also, as a teacher, I wielded a mean red pen at times. It's like when people chomp gum in public, I always notice andhave to repress the urge to comment because I used to be paid to prevent it. Now, I'd probably get punched or at least called a bad name. :) The exception to this comment is VQ. Because without her, I wouldn't be able to understand my son's texts. She is like my own personal text translation tutor.
Stephen Taylor More than 1 year ago
Let's give the HG a shot. 50cent super hi five 3,8,10 w 3,8,10 w 3,8,10,11 w 3,4,8,10,11 w 3,4,6,8,10,11 ($24) $1super 3,8,10 w 3,8,10 w 3,8,10 w all ($42) 50cent super 3,8,10 w 3,8,10 w all w 3,8,10 ($21) $13 win on the 10 10-seems to be headed in the right direction 8-best race came on artificial, gets gomez 3-experience, always right there. Didn't look long but these 3 stood out so much to me I actually went and bet these tix. (Although only a dime on the supers)
acampobasso More than 1 year ago
HG261 The 4 looks to have the best early speed so I think he'll be winging it from the start and seeing how far he can go. 8 and 10 will be in close pursuit, with 3 trying to launch a bid closing down the lane at the end. This leads me to the picks of: $4 Tri Box 3,4,8,10 = $96 $2 Tri 4,8/4,8/3 =$4
HoosierDaddy More than 1 year ago
$100 Cold Exacta 3-4. #3 2 wins, 1nd on synth, #4 likely speed, can hand for 2nd
Gracie More than 1 year ago
HG $50 tri key 3/10-11/10-11