03/05/2014 3:00PM

Tampa Bay Derby lures two apiece from Pletcher, Casse

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Barbara D. Livingston
Conquest Titan, second behind the highly regarded Cairo Prince in the Holy Bull, is one of two horses Mark Casse will saddle in the Tampa Bay Derby.

Todd Pletcher and Mark Casse both have entered two horses in the Grade 2, $350,000 Tampa Bay Derby, the annual meet highlight to be run Saturday at Tampa Bay Downs in Oldsmar, Fla.

Pletcher will send out Vinceremos and Surfing U S A, while Casse counters with Conquest Titan and Matador. In all, 10 3-year-olds are entered in the 1 1/16-mile Tampa Bay Derby, which is worth 85 points toward eligibility into the May 3 Kentucky Derby, including 50 to the winner.

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Conquest Titan probably is more highly regarded of the Casse pair, having rallied to be second behind Cairo Prince in the Jan. 25 Holy Bull Stakes at Gulfstream Park, but Casse also gives Matador a decent shot. The colt was struck over the nose with the whip of a rival jockey when fourth, beaten just a length, in the Feb. 1 Sam F. Davis Stakes at Tampa.

“I think that stopped his momentum,” said Casse. “He came back to the barn with a swollen nose. That was his first start in almost three months and his first time on dirt, and he ran 20-30 feet farther than the winner, according to Trakus, so I think he ran a heck of a race. Hopefully with a better trip and the experience over dirt, he’ll improve.”

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As winner of the Sam F. Davis, Vinceremos is eligible for a $1 million bonus for his owner, Twin Creeks Racing. The Davis did not carry any Derby points, which led Tampa management to create the bonus incentive for a sweep of the Davis, Tampa Bay Derby, and Kentucky Derby.

From the rail and with jockeys, this is the lineup for the 34th Tampa Bay Derby:

Ring Weekend, Daniel Centeno; Surfing U S A, Jose Lezcano; Matador, Julien Leparoux; Coltimus Prime, Gary Boulanger; Conquest Titan, Shaun Bridgmohan; Vinceremos, Edgar Prado; East Hall, Juan Leyva; Cousin Stephen, Javier Castellano; Hy Kodiak Warrior, Gabriel Saez; and Tuscan Getaway, Joe Rocco Jr.

The Tampa Bay Derby goes as the 11th of 12 Saturday races on the richest card in track history, one that also includes the Grade 3 Hillsborough (race 9) and Grade 3 Florida Oaks (race 10). First post is 12:25 p.m. Eastern, with the Derby set for 5:25. Both TVG and HRTV will televise the race.

Casse (Prospective, 2012) and Pletcher (Verrazano, 2013) won the two latest renewals of the Tampa Bay Derby. Pletcher also won in 2004 with Limehouse.

Charles Sakach More than 1 year ago
These are my pace calculations for the Tampa Bay Derby and this is how to interpret the numbers: The first line entitled "furlongs" represents the number of furlongs for each race segment. The second line entitled "pace figures" represent the feet-per-second (FPS) adjusted for track variant. To reverse-engineer the value of the FPS, add 80 to the pace rating and divide by 3. For example, 60 FPS will be a pace score of 100; 51 FPS will be a pace score of 73. (We really like to stay above 72 if at all possible.) The third line is where I start conceptualizing the concept of "work". The intent is to equate efforts from various distances to achieve some resemblance of uniformity. It is based upon my theory that a horse really doesn't start expending racing energy until exceeding 44 FPS. In order to accommodate distance runners, I moved this starting value down to 40 FPS. I also theorize that as a horse runs faster, energy is dispensed at an exponential rate. What I have done is to derive a mathematical model based on several race examples. I reverse-engineered this calculation and it seems to have value. This line entitled "work/furlong" is the portion of the FPS over 40 FPS and then raised to a dynamic exponent. (The faster the horse, the higher the exponent; conversely, the slower the horse the lower the exponent.) The fourth line is the work per furlong multiplied by number of furlongs for the corresponding race segment. The fifth line is a rolling total of "work". It may be subjective on the individual as to how much "work" the horse actually should get credit for, because the later stages of the race exhibit a natural "slowing down" and when these rates seem steep, my interpretation is that the actual work expressed is less than the total work calculated. (#9 Hy Kodiak Warrior gets my bet.) 01. Ring Weekend furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 83 86 83 71 work/furlong 12.8 14.3 13.0 8.8 work subtotal 26 29 26 22 running total 54 80 102 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 1.5 pace figures 78 78 80 91 work/furlong 11.1 11.3 11.9 16.2 work subtotal 22 23 24 24 running total 45 69 93 02. Surfing U S A furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 82 85 83 71 work/furlong 12.6 13.9 12.8 9.0 work subtotal 25 28 26 22 running total 53 79 101 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 pace figures 90 88 82 78 work/furlong 15.6 14.9 12.5 11.1 work subtotal 31 30 25 11 running total 61 86 97 03. Matador furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 81 86 82 72 work/furlong 12.1 14.3 12.8 9.3 work subtotal 24 29 26 23 running total 53 78 102 (trouble in 2nd race back...this is the 3rd back) furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 82 94 81 66 work/furlong 12.7 17.2 12.1 7.4 work subtotal 25 34 24 19 running total 60 84 103 04. Coltimus Prime furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 81 76 83 81 work/furlong 12.1 10.5 12.8 12.2 work subtotal 24 21 26 31 running total 45 71 101 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 pace figures 83 83 83 87 work/furlong 13.1 12.9 12.9 14.5 work subtotal 26 26 26 14 running total 52 78 92 05. Conquest Titan furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 76 86 86 73 work/furlong 10.4 14.3 14.2 9.6 work subtotal 21 29 28 24 running total 49 78 102 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 pace figures 82 87 82 80 work/furlong 12.6 14.6 12.6 11.9 work subtotal 25 29 25 24 running total 54 80 103 06. Vinceremos furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 86 85 80 72 work/furlong 14.0 13.9 11.7 9.3 work subtotal 28 28 23 23 running total 56 79 103 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 pace figures 89 95 75 68 work/furlong 15.4 17.7 10.1 7.9 work subtotal 31 35 20 16 running total 66 86 102 07. East Hall furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 74 90 83 74 work/furlong 9.9 15.7 13.1 9.9 work subtotal 20 31 26 25 running total 51 78 102 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 77 80 82 77 work/furlong 10.8 12.1 12.8 10.9 work subtotal 22 24 26 27 running total 46 71 98 08. Cousin Stephen furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 86 85 81 70 work/furlong 14.2 13.9 12.4 8.5 work subtotal 28 28 25 21 running total 56 81 102 furlongs 4.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 pace figures 78 78 79 79 work/furlong 11.3 11.0 11.7 11.4 work subtotal 45 22 23 11 running total 67 91 102 09. Hy Kodiak Warrior furlongs 4.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 pace figures 77 78 80 82 work/furlong 10.7 11.4 12.0 12.6 work subtotal 43 23 24 13 running total 66 90 102 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 pace figures 85 94 78 76 work/furlong 13.6 17.4 11.0 10.6 work subtotal 27 35 22 21 running total 62 84 105 10. Tuscan Getaway furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.5 pace figures 80 83 82 72 work/furlong 11.8 13.0 12.5 9.2 work subtotal 24 26 25 23 running total 50 75 98 furlongs 2.0 2.0 2.0 2.0 pace figures 83 83 83 80 work/furlong 13.1 12.9 12.8 11.9 work subtotal 26 26 26 24 running total 52 78 102
Rick Baldwin More than 1 year ago
I had"Matador"before & will again but Pletch's pair should fare well,my fren.
John Sacco More than 1 year ago
Ring Weekend
Daniel Alvarado More than 1 year ago
Cousin Stephen/Vinceremos my top choices. Conquest Titan has to show me he can get it done...he can't keep running 2nd. Surfing USA is interesting also.
rahman Williams More than 1 year ago
Conquest Titan. Top choice. Surfing USA longshot
Robynrokn More than 1 year ago
85 points for this b team, benchwarmer, dog race? Guess they want to fill the Derby field with some gate fillers.
Rick Baldwin More than 1 year ago
"Bluegrass Cat"got me fat when he completed the Exacta with"Barbero".
Marcus George More than 1 year ago
Conquest Titan FTW, tampas a track closers can win in regularity, and he did already beat Intense Holiday and General A-rod. If your playing Exotics don't be surprised if Hy Kodiak Warrior comes in the Tri. First time lasik should never be overlooked and HKW already beat East Hall on a track that would favor East Halls running style. Conquest Titan over Vinceremos/HKW-Vinceremos/HKW for your tri's. Miss Besilu-Conquest Titan if your wanting to hammer a double.
Marcus George More than 1 year ago
The Forum will say East Hall beat HKW but he got DQ'd. If you watched the race you knew who the better horse was.
Rondalynne Martin More than 1 year ago
Matador. Enough said` !!!!!!
Kim Lee More than 1 year ago
Ole!
Rick Baldwin More than 1 year ago
OLE!
John Burton More than 1 year ago
Sorry, Mark, BUT seconditis continues for CONQUEST TITAN in the Tampa Bay Derby!
Mark More than 1 year ago
East Hall will be in east bumblefuct when ct is finishing under the wire first.
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
very well could be as I understand on what appears to be slow starts costing him. But... With a bad post on the speed favoring GP surface he got pinched back to 2nd last in the Holy Bull. The same thing happened at CD in a 1 mile Allowance but with a surface that is more neutral he rallied from last and blew by General A-rod. Yes Blew by him. Tampa Bay is a more neutral type surface that can be friendlier to his style of running. He also has post 5 and with any luck at all will probably get away mid pack. There are reasons why they actually race these horses on dirt and not paper. Remember No Nay Never? So as it stands right now it's just everyone's opinion. Lets see how this one unfolds. I would love to see CT in the KD because at 1-1/4 on the CD surface he might become a massive threat...might?
John Burton More than 1 year ago
I agree with Mr. Marc Rogala: "EAST HALL, all in!" Hammer time!
Mike Hendricks More than 1 year ago
if needed, he'll have one more shot, might not need it! with a good trip he's right there.