03/18/2013 4:01PM

Second positive lands Stall a 10-day suspension

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Trainer Al Stall Jr. said Monday from New Orleans that he intends to appeal a 10-day suspension he has been handed by Kentucky stewards for a second positive test for the banned medication methacarbomol.

The subject horse is Upon Reflection, winner of a $15,000 maiden claiming race at Churchill Downs on Nov. 7. Stall said the stewards informed that the quantitative test showed 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of the banned medication. It was the trainer’s second positive test from the Churchill meet, with Sign having been disqualified from her victory in the Grade 2 Pocahontas Stakes on Oct. 28. Stall was fined and given a warning for that offense, which he said was for 2.1 nanograms per milliliter of a Class C drug found in a commonly used muscle relaxant known as Robaxin.

Upon Reflection, owned at the time by Klaravich Stables and William Lawrence, was claimed for $8,000 from his next race Nov. 18 at Churchill. The horse has been disqualified from the $8,400 winner’s share. Stall also has been fined $500.

Stall, who oversees one of the top stables in the Midwest, currently is among the leading trainers at the current Fair Grounds meet. He is best known as the trainer of Blame, winner of the 2010 Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill.

The suspension is scheduled to run March 28 through April 6. Stall is being represented by attorney David Royse in both cases. No hearing for the appeal of either case has yet been scheduled before the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission.

Bellwether4U More than 1 year ago
T"he DEA (as this pretains to interstate wagering & Animal Abuse) is about to step in & clean "THE GAME" up once & for ALL as a ton of races in Amercia are being fixed (& they damn sure know it ) with all kinds of DRUGS while the powers that be look the other way...If this was the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/ it would have been stopped a LONG LONG time ago & a BUNCH of people would be LOCKED UP!!!...Stay Tuned...
Robert Smith More than 1 year ago
"...If this was the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/ " We get it Bell none of the athletes in those org take any medication for their athletic problems. Look at the bright side ,there is still no IQ requirement for posting on this site.
nicola c More than 1 year ago
fined $500 , what a joke how would that defer a cheater it wouldn't it couldn't. as someone else said take his license. to keep the sport in good order u have to rule with an iron fist with cheats in any sport.
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Babette Cade More than 1 year ago
Since when do people get fired from their jobs for drugs? In this new era of nanny state and everything is okay because we can send you to rehab for doing drugs, why would anyone get fired for administering drugs. If you want these trainers to be responsible, then our permissive culture must go. A little fanny whack is good for the soul and that no longer exists. It is ridiculous to hear people screaming on these blogs when these same people are sitting home drinking, smoking whatever and ingesting drugs, prescription and otherwise, at an unprecedented rate. A rising tide, good or bad, floats all boats.
Danny Gonzalez More than 1 year ago
well Dutrow isnt a cheater so anyone who has that idea is basically a follower, And dam this guy gets 2 positives Time to ban him for 10 years, Or racing regulators need to get more educated and stop listening to the ARCI these guys are as clueless as the WV commisioner who said that geldings never race against colts. The public needs to be more Knowledgeable about who is making these rules. Robaxin is not that effective and the level this horse tested at is nothing. So again Get more informed about what is happening.
Bellwether4U More than 1 year ago
"Robaxin is not that effective"...Well why the **** was he using it ???... Not once but two times!!!...GMAFB...
Joseph More than 1 year ago
you know what sucks about all this, the owners of the 2nd place finisher in the pocahontas still haven't received the remaining money due to them for being placed first. that was oct. 28th. while the appeals still goes on, the independent split test came back dirty as well. the owners of sign are appealing to the full ky. horse commission.
myjockwon More than 1 year ago
and they won't till it's resolved
Darren Fish More than 1 year ago
All of horse Racing has defined rules and has set consequences for rules broken....are these trainers Uneducated and cannot read? I think Not. Why PUSH the time limits on these regulated drugs....Go herbal...or pay fines and receive suspensions. Our winning 5 is 20% with 80% in the money....and WE SAY NO TO DRUGS of any kind...robaxin?/ Sore muscles can be messaged and stretched DAILY NO DRUG IS NEEDED if you add a little TLC...get a new groom...i am not cheap...just try the hardest to be the best...so should you...Mr. Stall. I am a horse Trainer waiting for better horses to apply my trade toward. see REBEL THE RED on equibase
John Howland More than 1 year ago
That's how the rest of the racing world does it outside of N America and they have full fields racing without medication.Only unhealthy humans "need" medication,doesn't it hold true with horses?Unfortunately,you're in the minority,but keep up the good work.
Robert Smith More than 1 year ago
John you and Darren seem to be in "the few". Neither one of you guys takes meds for headaches , muscle spasm, etc.. ???? You are absolutely right, why should we do the same for the equine athlete as we do the human athlete. F em
redboy More than 1 year ago
Why even risk using anything than might risk showing a positive test result and im sure their lots of variables that could result in a positive test result. But the fact remains 2 winners tested positive for a banned substance.
Hunter Delaney More than 1 year ago
1.5 nanograms/ml is a joke...thats not anywhere close to affecting a racehorse. Certainly not cheating......
Margaret Cowan More than 1 year ago
It is over the limit. That is cheating.
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
It is clearly not cheating, that's ridiculous. It is a legal therapeutic med. In fact this article is wrong, it is allowed race day in KY to a limit of 1 nanogram per milliliter. So this positive was .5 nanogram or 1/2 of 1 billionth of a gram over the limit. Try to wrap your head around how small that is. So for that he should be thrown out of the game and called a cheater. Keeping with the same logic. If another trainer tested at .9 nanograms he would be legal and under the threshold. So the difference between a "cheater" and a an "honest" trainer could be exactly .6 billionth of a gram???? I'm just sayin, think about it.
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
It doesn't seem to me that most people understand this drug situation, and that may include me as it is a mess. I think the word cheater is thrown around easily and usually not warranted. And, things like fine him 40k, throw him out of the sport, etc. usually doesn't fit the crime. Methocarbomal seems to have become quite popular in the last few years as when a positive comes up, there's a good chance it's methocarbomal. And, Stall likes it as he's had a few positives for it before this, but I think his total positives the last seven years might be around 5. That's not angelic stats but not near the worst of the lot. If I'm right about this, and welcome anyone who has the facts, but I think the article is confusing. "postive for the banned medication", then "class c commonly used muscle relaxant." To my knowledge this is a perfectly legal therapeutic drug and is used by a high percentage of trainers, most I would think. The ARCI lists it as legal, but not allowed race day, and has only a 48 hour withdrawl time. So, if a trainer misjudges the timing of a dose to race day, or a particular horse takes longer to leave the system, then you have a positive. I would say for Stall, he most likely is using is often and apparently too close to race day. But I think, saying he's a cheater, fine him a ton, throw him out doesn't make sense when most of the trainers you admire are using it just the same. The point is it doesn't seem fair to throw stones at a guy for a positive for a legal therapeutic drug with a small amount in his system race day. Fine and suspend. Done. You want to get mad, why not go after the group of trainers that have more drug violations than Dutrow Jr. Or the guy with ten positives for ten different horses with all ten winning in a two month period and no suspension. If Dutrow got ten years for his drug violations then why are the trainers with more still training and have everyones respect. I'm not as concerned about real therapeutics, and far more concerned with performance enhancers. Clenbuterol is listed as a brochial dilater and is perfectly legal except race day. It is banned by the World Anti Doping Agency, the Olympic Commitee, cycling, and many more, specifically listing it as a performance enhancer. It is used for it's anabolic steroid like properties, it builds lean muscle mass, burns fat, increases metabolism, and transports oxygen more efficiently. Perfectly legal for horses and listed as bronchial dilater as a therapeutic. Tests have shown that more than 50% of horses are using it. And we don't even bother to test for blood doping agents which in my opinion is the perfect performance enhancer. I think we need to be smarter about what we scream about. I don't care about a milk shake which is nothing, or what to a horse would be like us taking advil or aspirin. Take clenbuterol off the list, and start testing for blood doping.
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
My apologies for that being so long. I don't like when others do it and I got carried away without realizing it.
Babette Cade More than 1 year ago
You made some really good points.
Hail No More than 1 year ago
No worries, some appreciate them!
Robert Smith More than 1 year ago
Thats a good post horse c totally agree
DRFMcGee More than 1 year ago
"Banned medication" meaning banned (no tolerance) for the purposes of race day ... otherwise, yes, it is permissible as a therapeutic drug. Sorry for the confusion there. MM
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
Thanks Marty. I knew what you meant. But, others read banned and think it's an illegal drug and not a legal therapeutic not allowed race day.
Hail No More than 1 year ago
"But, others read banned and think it's an illegal drug and not a legal therapeutic not allowed race day. " and there's the rub..
Wonderagain More than 1 year ago
I remember a DRF article back in late 90's which had quote from a So Cal trainer who remained anonymous saying Clenbuterol worked so well it would change horse racing. At the time the FDA had not approved Clenbuterol for use in animals in the U.S. It was approved shortly thereafter. Coincided w/rise of the "super trainer."
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
True. However, the FDA has banned it for the use in animals intended for human consumption.
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Robert Smith More than 1 year ago
For Blood doping Yes, for minute therapeutic overages NO
Len Willschick More than 1 year ago
If your trainer is a "super trainer" the occasional suspension, and hence missed race, may not be all that big a price to pay for the rest of your horses winning a lot of races
Bellwether4U More than 1 year ago
Hell yes to that Greg...That damn sure would slow the CHEATING SLIME BALLS DOWN...These people are a DISGRACE to The Game & a BUNCH of em should be locked up & banned for life...ty...