08/05/2013 5:55PM

Saratoga notes: Wise Dan to carry 129 pounds in Fourstardave

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Barbara D. Livingston
Wise Dan, the 2012 Horse of the Year, will try for his eighth consecutive win when he runs in the Grade 2 Fourstardave Handicap on Saturday.

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Wise Dan, the reigning Horse of the Year, was assigned 129 pounds for Saturday’s Grade 2, $500,000 Fourstardave Handicap, the race he won last year to start his current seven-race winning streak.

The impost is one pound more than he carried while winning the Grade 2 Firecracker Handicap on June 29. He will be spotting his five expected rivals 11 to 12 pounds. Skyring, the winner of the Dixie Stakes, and Za Approval, the runner-up in the Shoemaker Mile, each were assigned 118. Lea, second to Wise Dan in the Firecracker; King Kreesa, the Poker Handicap winner; and Mr. Commons each were assigned 117 pounds.

“The more I think about it, I’m OK with it,” said Charlie LoPresti, who trains Wise Dan. “They did what they had to do to make the race go.”

LoPresti noted that the Fourstardave would be the last handicap race Wise Dan would run in this year. Possible upcoming races for him such as the Woodbine Mile, Shadwell Turf Mile, and Breeders’ Cup Mile are not handicaps.

On Monday, Lea worked a half-mile on dirt in 49.53 after having worked the last two weeks on turf.

“We’re on schedule for Saturday,” said Al Stall Jr., the trainer of Lea. “He worked two good times on the turf – very happy with how he did. Gave him a week off last week, just two-minute-licked three-quarters out in the middle of the racetrack, blew him out a little bit this morning. The weights all make sense. He beat us on the muscle last time in Louisville, so we know we’re up against it, but we understand how the weights shook out. We’re looking for firm [turf]. I’d just as soon let him hear his feet rattle.”

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No Breeders’ Cup for Delaunay

Though the favored Delaunay came out of his fourth-place finish in Sunday’s Grade 1 Vanderbilt in good shape, his connections have decided to turn him out for 60 days and will not point him to the Breeders’ Cup Sprint.

“He looks like a million dollars,” owner Maggi Moss said Monday. “He’s had 40 races since April 2010, and he’s never been off the racetrack. I’m going to give him 60 days at a friend’s [farm] and get him ready for Fair Grounds. The pressure’s off. Yay! I’m so flipped out over this horse. I’m convinced this is the right thing to do.”

Moss said Delaunay could return in the Thanksgiving Day Handicap at Fair Grounds, a race he won last year as part of a six-race winning streak that included the Grade 2 Churchill Downs Sprint. The streak was broken when Delaunay finished second to Gentlemen’s Bet in the Iowa Sprint Handicap in June.

Delaunay was beaten 2 1/2 lengths in the Vanderbilt and missed out on second by a half-length. Moss said jockey Rosie Napravnik told her and trainer Tom Amoss that she didn’t think Delaunay handled the track.

Boisterous sharp for Sword Dancer

Boisterous, the winner of the Grade 1 Man o’ War in his last start, drilled four furlongs in 46.87 seconds over the Oklahoma turf course Monday in preparation for the Sword Dancer Invitational on Aug. 17. Boisterous appeared to just be cruising under exercise rider Cecil Putnam, getting his final quarter in 23.11.

“That’s about as good as I’ve ever seen him breeze by himself,” trainer Shug McGaughey said. “He was relaxed, and he kept on running.”

Others pointing to the Sword Dancer include Big Blue Kitten and Optimizer.

◗ Rydilluc will face five rivals, including Charming Kitten and Notacatbutallama, in Friday’s Grade 2, $200,000 National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame Stakes at 1 1/8 miles on turf. Also entered were Get in Line, who will be coupled with Charming Kitten as part of a Ken and Sarah Ramsey-owned entry, North Slope, and Balance the Books.

Brandon Layer More than 1 year ago
Seems to me like the weights Wise Dan has been carrying will make him even stronger. When the weight comes off, he's going to be even better than last year. This race and the Firecracker are just paid workouts. I wouldn't worry about it. The days of horses running a wide range of distances on different surfaces are gone. These days it's all about being a specialist and sticking to what your best at. The days of the classic 1 1/2 mile turf horse are gone too. Look at our recent turf stars Wise Dan, Gio Ponti, Acclamation and Goldikova. None won at 1 1/2 miles. No use crying over spilled milk. Just roll with the changes. Maybe the BC Turf should be $2 million and the mile should be $3 million because the Mile has become more important than the Turf. That's just the way it is these days.
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
I like all of your points. It seems its not just horse racing, but across the sports world people are just specialists now. Gone are the days of the two sport athlete. Not looking like we will see another Bo, or Deion in the near future. They could adjust the purses, but that might get the ball rolling on changing the distances as well. Would you be ok with changing the Classic to a mile and an eighth?
Brandon Layer More than 1 year ago
No, I would not be ok with the Classic being a mile and an eighth. Why change the Classic? It is perfect the way it is. All I said was that the Mile is now more important than the Turf so it should have the bigger purse. Heck it's now the race before the Classic. The Classic is perfect the way it is.
Perl More than 1 year ago
Gio Ponti won at distances ranging from 7 to 11f. In his only try at 12f (a G1), he finished 2nd in an absolute bog. I do 100% agree that the BC Turf Mile should have a bigger purse than the 12f BC Turf. There are a few throwbacks out there. Caixa Electronica is not an elite horse, but he has won at 6f and 9f. And Wise Dan has won big races on Turf, Dirt and Poly. He has also shipped throughout North America. That said, I wish he was in the Million this weekend too.
Brandon Layer More than 1 year ago
I loved Gio Ponti. Very good horse. Not knocking him at all. Just pointing out that he was better at shorter distances much like Acclamation, Goldikova and Wise Dan
Brandon Layer More than 1 year ago
You'd have to go back to English Channel to find the last good 1 1/2 mile type turf horse based in the United States and his babies are running. Even in Europe it's all about Frankel and he never even attempted 1 1/2 miles. Those days are gone. It's about breeding. We all know breeders love horses who win from 8f-10f grass or dirt. So those are the races that are now the most important. Nowadays winning at 1 1/2 miles is almost looked at as a negative by breeders. You're labeled a "stayer" who doesn't have enough speed to be a great sire.
Philip C More than 1 year ago
I think you forgot about Point of Entry.
Forego137 More than 1 year ago
Boisterious is doing a excellent imitation of his stablemate POINT OF ENTRY and is too sharp for the Sword Dancer field and expect him to be posing for another G1 $$$$$$$
Forego137 More than 1 year ago
Are you kidding me,our HOTY is beating up high priced Awl horses at best and only getting 129 ??????? Why even run the race just give him the $$$$$$$$ and move on to the Woodbine Mile. Talk about easy money. One final worry , why are they ducking the best runnwrs in the country and running in theses paid workout races...... Hmmmmm........ Stay tuned on this weird handling of America's current HOTY.
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
No joke Forego. Its sad. Hey Wise Dan fans, can one of you explain to me why they decided a mile on the turf was the way to go? Looking at his PP's, he won the Fayette, Clark, Ben Ali, then got 2nd(by a head to a horse he didn't see coming) in the Stephen Foster, then all of a sudden no more main track races. It's not like he was getting crushed on the main track. I thought the goal was to make the most money possible with a gelding. The richest races are on the main track. Is it because the competition at turf miles was easier? Were they afraid he may get hurt like Successful Dan on the main track?
Perl More than 1 year ago
If you understand mathematics, if the goal is to make money, it made much more sense running him in the 4stardave instead of the Whitney. He will be 1-5 to win the $300k first prize on Saturday and he would have been maybe 5-2 to win the $450k first prize in the Whitney. Plus, it would have been a much more grueling race. I suspect the only possible time he will run on dirt again is in the $5m BC Classic.
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
I understand, what about Successful Dan then? I guess that same goal does not apply to him.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Perhaps his owner Morton Fink wants Wise Dan to be the best turf miler in history? Perhaps Mr. Fink wants to conserve his star gelding for years to come by running on a more forgiving surface. Perhaps Mr. Fink already has a really good handicap horse by the name of Successful Dan snd wants to keep both horses close but on different surfaces. There is no shortage of really good reasons. What's most important is Wise Dan is being campaigned like a champion and continues to run in the very best races of his division. If the competion figures to be weak its because horses are avoiding him. Turf star Point of Entry scratched in the Woodford Reserve because his trainer wanted no part of Wise Dan. You can't blame Wise Dan for horses not wanting to any part of him.
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
Thank you, Wise Dan Fan. I definitely understand and respect conserving the horse. Too bad Successful Dan wasn't chosen for the turf as well, I hate to see him often injured. I have no issue with any of those reasons. Can you also defend his Champion Older Male title from last year even though he only raced on the main track twice and finished 2nd in his only dirt start?
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Kotashan (a turf horse) won HOTY in 1993 and he older horse title ended up with Bertrando (a dirt horse). Given the history of the inner workings of the Eclipse commitee, the 2012 older horse championship could have gone either way. I would have understood if Fort Larned ended up with the title, but I'm glad it went to Wise Dan.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Wise Dan is the champ. Time Form's highest rated active horse in the world. The HOTY. He is no longer the hunter but the hunted. You want to be the best? Put your best horse up against Wise Dan and see where you measure up. In other words, Wise Dan IS the best competion. Wise Dan has giving the world his schedule so they know where to find him. Come and get some!
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
Your logic is not logical. Why would someone take their horse out of a grade 1, 1 million dollar race with a serious shot to win and no Wise Dan, and move him down to a grade 2 for 1/2 the purse that has Wise Dan. An attempt to birsmirch other horses for running in the more important races at a higher grade for double the money is a ridiculous argument.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
$1,0000,000 Woodbine Mile (G1) $750,000 Shadwell Mile (G1) $2,000,000 BC MIle (G1) Lots of cheddar out there if you have the guts to face the champ.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
Uhhhhh, have they run those yet? Again, ridiculous argument.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
The argument is almost as childish as saying Frankel should have flown over here to prove he's better than Wise Dan. It's grade school chidishly ridiculous.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
My reply was directed to those who believe Wise Dan should be "running against the best competition". Frankly, Wise Dan is the best competion. You so eloquently, or lack therefof, argued why a horse would skip a million dollar G1 in order to face Wise Dan in a G2 for half the pot. That isn't necessary. Let's use Game on Dude for example. He is slated to run in the $250,000 G1 Awesome Again Stakes 9/29/13. Why not run for $750,000 six days later and try dethrone Wise Dan? More money..more prestige.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
As I told you before, using Game on Dude is a horrible example. He goes nowhere and picks the pockets to the locals. Come on.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Game on Dude is a prime example! You say he goes nowhere? WRONG. Did he not win a million race in West Virginia a couple of starts back? He's a shipper if the money is right.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
John, you have got to be kidding, for a minute I thought you were serious. Nothing you said or say makes any sense. Have fun.
John Doe More than 1 year ago
I prove you wrong and now I don't make any sense? That's quite the rebuttal.
Lawrence Macselwiney More than 1 year ago
Notacatbutallama gets ignored at the windows and keeps winning. He's no monster, but he's been taking care of business and padding my bankroll.
LESLIE More than 1 year ago
Putting more weight on him doesn't seem to be having that much of an effect on him. Though they should be careful, excessive weight assignments can have a bad effect on an animal.
Perl More than 1 year ago
Did you not watch his last race? The weight clearly didn't help matters.
Bryan Langlois More than 1 year ago
I'll say one thing. That winner of the 15,000 dollar win bet for the race probably has as close to a sure thing as there possibly is in racing...
Dave More than 1 year ago
I was just thinking that. The 12 pounds does give the upset a bit more of a chance, especially if WD has a traffic issue. But still, winning a $15,000 bet and getting to put it on Wise Dan vs 5 rivals, can't really ask for more than that!
Dave More than 1 year ago
To add... have to think this guy will hedge it with big win bets on all of the five others.
Perl More than 1 year ago
That might not be as easy as you think. Plus it would be gutless as well.
Dave More than 1 year ago
any smart bettor guarantees themselves a payday.
Steve Lashomb More than 1 year ago
I can't bet against Wise Dan...even if he is 2:5. This will be the third time watching this horse live. I bet against him last year in the fourstardave, and he blew away Corporate Jungle and Co. After seeing him bottled up against the rail, and Johnny V finding a way through, this horse is a true champion! Why risk running him on dirt in different races?? I like what the connections are doing. He has a great shot at picking up another $300,000. I will be there at the fence in toga watching Dan in the stretch blow by his rivals. UNLESS...the "Graveyard of champions" unleashes the hounds....YA!! Keep racing those horses...I hate it when they win two legs of the triple crown, or a few grade one races, and they retire at early 4 or sometimes even 3 years old. Horses are wild animals that are born (and love to) run! Giddy up, I say...and let em run!!
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Jim Qaukey: Why do you, and must other Wise Dan detractors, feel the need to exaggerate in order to get a point across? You say Wise Dan isn't in Game On Dude and Fort Larned's league because they have won G1 races at distances of 1 3/6 (you likely meant 1 3/16), 1 1/16, 1 1/8, and 1 1/4 when in fact they have only won G1's at two distances (1 1/8 and 1 1/4). Wise Dan owns just as many and add another on dirt to boot. You say that Wise Dan is carrying high weights because he is beating the "same old same old". What do you have to say about Game on Dude literally been beating the same horses over and over. Want facts? Game on Dude has not travelled outside of a hundred mile radius in 9 of his last 10 starts. Talk about a big fish in a small pond. Why hasn't he carried more than 127? You speak of Wise Dan being in a "comfort zone". What is that? Is that the same as Fort Larned and Game on Dude primarily being campaigned at distances of 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 on dirt? If you want Wise Dan to run 1 1/4 on dirt then why not demand Game on Dude and Fort Larned to run 1 mile on turf? This should be a two way street if you want to use that logic. Lets see some versatility from 'Dude and 'Larned. If I did have to criticize something about the Wise Dan camp it would be his trainer seemingly telling the press time and again that Wise Dan is being considered for certain races on dirt which hardly come to fruition. That causes a lot of confusion and disappointment with fans who anticipate "clashes". I say stick to commenting on races you are likely to run in likely every other trainer. I know I would be disappointed if Baffert said he is considering Game on Dude for the Woodbine Mile and then say he rather stick to the Pacific Classic. The fact is Wise Dan is the best at what he does and Game on Dude is the best at what he does. Two specialists who happen to thrive at two distances on different surfaces. I doubt Morton Fink cares whether or not Wise Dan repeats as HOTY. He loves his horse and he is placing him where Wise Dan is happy and thriving.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
Everybody knows Game On Dude stays in his back yard and picks the pockets of the locals. Using him as an example to make your point is moot.
not impressed More than 1 year ago
He doesn't have to go outside his yard, BC is in GOD's backyard again this year. Z never raced outside of CA in 2009 when the BC was held there, and no one said anything then...until she lost HOTY to Rachel. Perosonally, I'd like to see Wide Dan take on Arlington Million foes and GOD the Woodward, but like that will ever happen.
Jim Qaukey More than 1 year ago
Sorry John Doe but that's not what I said look agian what I said was its the same old same old Dan Turf mile !!!! Turf mile can this horse run pass a mile it's can be G1 G2 or G3 it's does not matter CAN HE RUN PASS A MILE !!! Hell he can even stay on the turf just run good horse Pass a mile , I never said he beats horse that or not good to run with him, he just stay at a distance that they know that he can't be beat and that is a comfort zone, the Dude and Larned have won G1 2 , and G3 and different , can Dan so once agian his weight is high because its the same old turf mile , even Animal Kingdom has run different distance the derby 1 1/8 the Belmont 1 1/2 breeders cup turf mile , AK even went to Dubai to take on the worlds best for 10 mill at 1 1/8 just like who Game On Dude , so how good is Wise Dan I guess will never know , all we know is just like I said earlier in my post , he's just a very good turf miler !!!
John Doe More than 1 year ago
Jim, do your homework. Wise Dan won the G1 Woodford Reserve in May which was 1 1/8m. The same distance he travelled on dirt when he won the G1 Clark Handicap.
Jim Qaukey More than 1 year ago
Thank John but I have done my work on Dan he has , 3 G3, 5 G2 , 7 G1 he's been 9f twice one on turf one dirt ,the Reserve have one good horse , Optimizer and I said run good horses not one good horse , the only time he have face a good field of horse pass a mile was the Clark H in 2011 all of his other race or turf mile , he's got 14 grade races and two or at 9f , Dan homework is not hard to learn ,he's run a mile 12 times if u want to teach me something he has to give me something to learn , now lets talk about the Dude 5 G3 , 4 G2 , and 13 G1 has ran 1 1/16 , 1 1/8 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 agian the beat horse in the country and and other country's now u do ur homework and see if he is in Game on Dude league or it Wise Dan just stay in his comfort zone !!!!!
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
if I can decipher your message correctly, you are trying to say that Wise Dan is a miler and his connections don't want to race in anything other than turf miles?
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
Since when has the Dubai World Cup been a mile and an eighth? My brain hurts trying to figure out what you are trying to say. Get it together Qaukey.
Jim Qaukey More than 1 year ago
Sorry Bob , 1 1/2
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
lol you are cracking me up
Lawrence Macselwiney More than 1 year ago
I agree with you, but what would you like Fort Larned and Game On Dude to run a mile and a half? This is nonsense anyway. Enjoy watching him this weekend and hopefully Wise Dan and Obviously will stay healthy for their rematch at Santa Anita this fall. Obviously is a different animal now and will pose a major threat.
Jim Qaukey More than 1 year ago
Game on dude has proved that he not scared to run a mile and a half , Belmont stakes 6/5/2010 , he ran 4 but he's was not afraid to take them , like the grate turf mile Dan
Big Bob More than 1 year ago
Let me help you out.... Game on Dude's trainer has proved that he is not afraid to run at a mile and a half. Reference the Belmont Stakes of June 5th, 2010. He finished 4th, but his trainer was not afraid to take on the challenge. The great turf miler, Wise Dan, has an owner who is afraid to take on a challenge.
Jim Qaukey More than 1 year ago
Thank you so much very well said !!!! I knew I wasn't blind that other people can see Ty Big Bob
Ian GW More than 1 year ago
Another unbettable card? At least pick 4. Started good but slowly going down hill. I played one race there Sunday and bet C.Brown first Sunday. That was all I saw. When is NY going to add a 50cent pick 5. Please.
Lawrence Macselwiney More than 1 year ago
With a 14% take out max please!
Elizabeth More than 1 year ago
I get really tired of the insults of WD. I think he's a really, really good horse. He will give it his all whenever he runs, regardless of surface or distance. He loves to run and doesn't like to lose. It's not his fault that his owner is so conservative with him. I wish they'd at least stretch him out on the turf and see how far he can go like Romans did with Little Mike last year. Everyone thought he couldn't get past a mile, including me, but Romans tried him and he was able to win at 1 1/4 and 1 1/2. WD is a monster on the turf so keep him there, but why not try him at longer distances? But as far as insulting the horse, please don't. He doesn't know who his competition us or what level they run at. He just knows he needs to beat them.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
"he will give his all whenever he runs, regardless of surface or distance". As long as it's at one mile on the turf. Not that that's a bad thing. Just sayin.
not impressed More than 1 year ago
He is a really good horse, but I think a lot of the points are he is doing what Z did and run in the same races year after year and not challenging him to see how good he really is. A trip for the Arlington Million would be different, after all if Steinlen can do it, so can Wise Dan. He will never be a truly great horse until he tests waters outside his comfort zone. This is how fans get excited about racehorses. He's gain more respect in a loss for trying something new than winning the same races all the time against suspect fields.
Lawrence Macselwiney More than 1 year ago
Elizabeth please. I doubt Wise Dan is up in arms err hoofs over the insults.