09/03/2013 11:47AM

Pick four to link Belmont, Penn National races on Thursdays


Belmont Park in Elmont, N.Y., and Penn National Race Course in Grantville, Pa., will offer a pick four every Thursday beginning Sept. 12 that will link the last two races on Belmont’s card with the first two races on Penn National’s card, the two tracks announced Tuesday.

The pick four will have a 50-cent minimum and a takeout of 15 percent, according to a press release, significantly lower than each track’s usual pick-four takeout. The pick four will be offered every Thursday through Oct. 24, the final Thursday card at Belmont.

Belmont also is planning on launching a 50-cent minimum pick five with a 15 percent takeout during the track’s meet, which begins Saturday. The pick five is expected to link races early in the card so as to minimize cannibalization of the pick six, which has a $2 minimum and is generally offered on the last six races on the card.

Belmont has a takeout of 24 percent for its pick fours. Penn National’s pick-four takeout is 26 percent.

Michael Nyman More than 1 year ago
what did it pay last night cant find the payoff anywhere..
T More than 1 year ago
This is how NYRA should implement the Pick5. It should have a low takeout and the added feature of a carryover side pool which will only be won for a single winner. Here are the rules: The takeout will be 15% as follows: 10% to the track, 5% to the carryover pool For multiple winners: 10% to the track, 5% to the carryover pool, 85% to the multiple winners who selected 5 winners For single winner:: 10% to the track, 90% plus the carryover pool to the single winner For no winners : 10% to the track, 50% to the carryover pool, 40% to those who selected 4 of 5 winners
Walt Gekko More than 1 year ago
What I would really like to see is NYRA and Yonkers work together, especially on Fridays at Belmont Park in the summer (when there is twilight racing) and during Saratoga. NYRA and Yonkers could jointly bring back the old OTB Double Exacta on the last race at Belmont or Saratoga and (usually) the first race at Yonkers (sometimes the second at Yonkers depending on how late a twilight card goes at Belmont or the card goes at Saratoga). Especially with DRF now operating Harness Eye (Harness version of the DRF that used to be Sports Eye), DRF could easily add any Yonkers races to the end of the NYRA PPs for such a wager. I would also for next summer on Fridays at Belmont looking to go to a 4:00 PM first post if as an experiment and Yonkers agreed to it, there would be a 50-cent "cross-breed" pick six on Fridays on the last three throroughbred races and the two Harness races that would be run in-between those at Yonkers plus the race at Yonkers that followed the last race at Belmont (last race at Belmont for these Fridays would be around 8:15 PM). There also can be a 20-cent cross-breed pick four on the last four races of the sequence. That to me has the potential to entice some crossover betting as well.
Walt Gekko More than 1 year ago
This is an excellent idea that also needs to be looked at on Fridays and even Saturdays. There is a good potential for crossover handle with this. Maybe down the road NYRA and Penn National could do another such bet, in this case reviving a bet New York CIty OTB used to offer on the last race at NYRA and a race at Roosevelt or Yonkers (depending on which was running) in the 1980's and early '90s: The Double Exacta. This was similar to a Daily Double, except you had to do it with exactas in two different races and it was a very popular bet when it was offered. This is the kind of bet, limited to two races that I think would prove very popular if it were brought back.
Eddie Smith More than 1 year ago
This is like the Homecoming Queen dating the computer nerd.
Jack Lee More than 1 year ago
Having the pick 5 in the first five races tells me Incompetents continues at NYRA.This is just dumb. The only reason to put the pick 5 in the first 5 races is If you want smaller pools and less carryovers, just dumb!
Walt Gekko More than 1 year ago
So. California does it on the first five races as well, and has since that bet was first implemented there. NYRA (and probably the big bettors) are concerned having the pick five on the last five races would cannabalize the pick-six and late pick four, not realizing those betting the P5 are likely much different from those betting the P6. That said, Kentucly has the P5 on the last five and it does not cannabailize the late P4. Personally, NYRA (as originally suggested in Steve Crist's blog early in the Saratoga meet by others), NYRA should seriously consider getting rid of the convential pick six, going to the 10-cent Rainbow version and: Doing it the way Gulfstream (and also Monmouth) does now: 40% of the pool (after takeout) carried over until there is ONE unique winning ticket with all six winners and the remaining 60% (after takeout) paid to those who have the most winners until the carryover reaches $1 Million. Once the carryover reaches $1 Million, just 5% (after takeout) of the net pool is added to the carryover until there is one unique winning ticket with all six with 60% of the net pool paid to those with the highest number of winners otherwise and 35% of the net pool paid to those with the second highest number of winners. One thing I've found in the few opportunities I've had to really play Gulfstream's 10-Cent Pick Six is once the carryover reaches six figures, because you have those playing specifically to have the one ticket it more than offsets the effective higher takeout if you are treating the wager as a normal pick-six (that happens to have a 10-cent minimum rather than $2) and at the same time find some pick-six sequences that actually pay in some cases as much for 10-cent that in a normal pick-six would pay for $2. While that is rare, more often than not with a six-figure carryover in this version I did find the payoff for the 10-cent wager if multiplied by 20 to be higher than it would have been in a conventional $2 pick-six. This I think would work and bring in a lot of smaller players as the conventional pick-six has fallen out of favor with many. The potential for seven-figure carryovers over multiple days makes this 10-cent version of the pick-six more than worth it to implement either later this year or sometime in 2014 if possible.
Jack Lee More than 1 year ago
How can you cannibalize the pick-six It averages 35k 10 months a year?
Bruce Epstein More than 1 year ago
NYRA pic 5 will rock the first 5 races . . .
Senor Enrico More than 1 year ago
Whats the purpose of this???
William Eisele More than 1 year ago
nyra also dropped the ball on the .50c pick 5 as well,they should of made it a rainbow
TheRaiderFan More than 1 year ago
Rainbows are an awful gimic, California perfected the pick5 - no need to fix what isn't broken.
William Eisele More than 1 year ago
yea, but they can be very lucrative,just ask the guy @ the Belmont café that took down that pot @ la.downs last month...this game is all about r.o.i....$868k for a $256 investment
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
Might just as well play the lottery.
PennNatRick More than 1 year ago
NYRA was long overdue for a pick 5 wager...that's the only ball that was dropped.
Horse Cents More than 1 year ago
At first glance it would appear to help Penn more than Belmont as it forces players to take a look at the Penn card and potentially make additional play there. The real incentive is the much lower takeout of 15% which will add handle for Belmont as well.
John Stevelberg More than 1 year ago
Well stated