07/09/2013 5:59PM

Paynter possible for San Diego at Del Mar next out

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Paynter won an allowance race June 14 in his first start of 2013.

INGLEWOOD, Calif. – Paynter, winner of the 2012 Haskell Invitational who made a successful return to racing last month after battling colitis and laminitis last summer and fall, may start in the $200,000 San Diego Handicap at Del Mar on July 27.

Owned by Zayat Racing and trained by Bob Baffert, Paynter worked six furlongs in 1:12.60 at Santa Anita on Monday. A 4-year-old, Paynter won an allowance race June 14 in his first start of 2013. He has had three workouts since that race.

Baffert said Tuesday that he wants to see how Paynter trains on Del Mar’s Polytrack synthetic surface before finalizing plans. He said another option is the $200,000 Monmouth Cup at Monmouth Park on July 28. Both the San Diego and Monmouth Cup are run at 1 1/16 miles.

Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
I like how Bob let's everyone know where he's not going like everyone didn't already know that.
zkid9914 More than 1 year ago
I like how Bob lets everyone know where he is going so know one else shows up.
Jordan More than 1 year ago
Paynter is the X-factor in this division. The allowance comeback suggested something that I really didn't think possible, that Paynter might be able to pick up on his development as if nothing had happened; the huge return effort hinted that whatever trajectory Paynter's career was on prior to the illnesses, he somehow might be able to pick back up on it and be able to fulfill all the promise from his sophomore season. And after the Haskell, I believed Paynter was on the verge of becoming something really special. Time will tell.
Judy Maass Gadwood More than 1 year ago
I wish Paynter the best as always!!! Regardles of what some peeps think, or feel, about Baffert, Paynter didn't pick his trainer. That applies to ALL horses!
kram hslew More than 1 year ago
Bob Baffert should own the Handicap Division. He has given so much time to 3 year olds and I think the Triple Crown rule change threw him off this year. I expect him to re-evaluate his 3 year old methedology and win the Kentucky Derby 2014. Just sayin'.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
And yet another Baffert groupie rears it's ugly head. You would think that after going through about 2,000 two year olds in his career that he would have developed into a top handicap trainer. Far far from reality as most don't make it past three if they get that far. His game has always been quickly developing those young horses to make the three year old classics. You're just not paying attention. So Bob didn't get to the derby this year because of the rule change? That's hysterical. How could it have thrown him off when he picked very soft spots for big points with little to no competition. That's also his game. There may have been more reasons for not making it to the Derby this year other than lack of a three year old that could win.
kram hslew More than 1 year ago
Paynter has the right trainer. Baffert has become a master trainer of older horses much like Charlie Whittingham demonstrated before him.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
Are you serious? Bob starts every year with more than 100 two year olds, year after year after year after year. Please list the older handicap horses currently in his barn that would make it proof positive that he is the master trainer of such equine athletes. Game on Dude. That's one. Then you type Paynter. Ok then who's next. It's not a long list. Geeez, I can't even type this with a straight face I'm laughing so hard.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
And putting Baffert's name in the same sentence as Wittingham for the reason that you have is sheer blasphemy.
Randy Baker More than 1 year ago
Baffert,dodgers,red sox,Yankees.with zero salary ,spending cap you should win all the time.if George Steinbrenner had him as trainer he would have fired him 3-4 times in the last decade.i knew Charlie and bobs no yet a bald eagle,he just has a receding hairline
Phil Bumgardner More than 1 year ago
He's no Whittingham!
Matthew Ellis More than 1 year ago
Great horse and story Everyone should be rooting for him
Meydan Rocks More than 1 year ago
Don't forget that the owners have one heck of a HUGE say in where their horses run. Game On Dude and Paynter have different owners. Owners who are successful and may not want to be dictated to. Handling such owners is a delicate balancing act otherwise - you're fired. And then throw in this: which owner in their right mind wants to second guess a trainer with Baffert's credentials? Especially when he's just won you 5 million bucks with one horse. Heck, I'd be chomping on cigars and cheering Baffert on! That's just me.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
You are true Baffert lover. Your beloved Baffert can't lose with your argument. First it's that the owner is calling the shots of where the horse runs, and Baffert abides or would be fired. Then it's a smart owner who goes along with Bafferts wise decisions. Well okey dokey then, sounds like you have it all figured out. Now go get bob a cup of coffee, and a cigar.
Meydan Rocks More than 1 year ago
It's not an argument. I'm not trying to double speak either, argue, or even trying to start an argument (as you say). I speak from experience. I won't go into detail. But working for high net worth individuals is NOT for the faint of heart. As you probably know, most racehorse owners at the highest levels are very high net worth individuals. These are people who are used to getting their way almost all the time and who almost never wait in line – anywhere - ever. I merely listed all the probable reasons that I COULD THINK OF as to why these horses run where they run (based on my experience with these types of people but in a different arena) . Now think about this for a moment. If you doled out of your personal piggy bank… the obscene amounts of money these owners spend to buy what is essentially a losing proposition (IE: Race horses, that make absolutely NO financial sense to purchase) you wouldn't brook ANY nonsense from ANY trainer no matter how decorated they are and you would in no uncertain terms exercise your right to dictate when, where you (the owner) would like to see your horse run. Your employee (aka Mr. Fancy Trainer) has one job. And that job is to train Mr. high net worth Owner's horse and run where the owner wants to run. The trainer/owner relationship may look like a democratic arrangement but believe me; it is not. Now you as a decorated horse trainer can advise all you want but in the end the check writer gets the last word. She/He is the true shot caller. Case in point. Mr. Ken Ramsey. See how fast he got rid of Dale Romans? Even though Dale was winning nicely for him. I'm not saying this is what these owners do all the time, but believe me the trainers advise and train at these owners’ discretion. And don't forget, no matter how successful anyone is in life, the prospect of getting fired or replaced isn't relished. Case in point # 2: For all Baffert's embarrassment of riches in terms of high quality wins and horse flesh, I'm sure you took note of his reaction when Richard's Kid' owner sold him WITHOUT CONSULTING HIM just before the 2012 Hollywood Gold cup. Doug O’Neill was the beneficiary and Baffert was essentially fired. Baffert was U-P-S-E-T to say the least. And then you probably heard about the verbal brouhaha that occurred at a restaurant after that incident. Getting fired hurts... on any level and no matter how successful the fired employee is. That's all I'm trying to say about this subject. I'm just trying to lay out all the scenarios even if they appear to be what they seem to you… spoken by a Baffert lover as you say. :-))
Meydan Rocks More than 1 year ago
The 2012 Pacific Classic not the 2012 Hollywood Cup.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
I know far more about this than you can possibly realize, and could tell personal stories about some of whom you have mentioned and much much more. I would disagree with some of what you said but doesn't matter.
Meydan Rocks More than 1 year ago
I guess folks like me spoil the fun of beating up on these trainers – on blogs like this fine publication. I am in not saying you don’t know what you know. On the other hand, I am saying that I cannot un-know what I do know. And because of what I do know, I just can’t bring myself to bash these high profile trainers. Granted, these trainers can choose to walk away and become lower profile trainers (or do the right thing by us, the viewing and betting public) but most people don’t work hard only to walk away from the success they have worked hard over the years to attain. And so because of this fact, these trainers are fair game. What we all know (about any given subject) affects us differently. A perfectly normal acquaintance of mine went to medical school and turned into a hypochondriac. Go figure! In my case, I guess ignorance would be bliss, however because of the exact opposite (what I know), I just can’t bring myself to bash these trainers. I guess I don’t blame you for calling me a Baffert lover. Cheers!
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
And I see it a bit different. I bash on a few in particular for the same reason that you don't, because of what I know.
Thomas Cook More than 1 year ago
I'm all for Paynter and this comeback. Its truelly amazing if you followed him from Haskell win through his illnesses and comeback race. Love this colt. But I would be horrified to ship him across country in summer heat and humidity back to where all the illness started. Saratoga weather is quirky and unpredictable. Could be a bit too much on Paynters system especially as he is back in heavy training. As much as I want to see him here, I wouldn't risk it. And Fort Larned, MMM, WISE DAN are not the types he crushed in the allowance race.
Thomas Cook More than 1 year ago
and to run at Monmouth??? Horse would win but I personally don't return to places that brought me bad vibes or bad luck.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
kinda like a return to the scene of the crime.
Thomas Cook More than 1 year ago
SCENE OF CRIME....interesting allegation.
zerosumzen More than 1 year ago
I agree. After everything that happened just the thought of shipping Paynter across country, in the summer, for his second race back, is borderline disgusting.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
So the horse on his comeback from life threatening illness might get shipped across country to the track where the illness began? This might happen if Baffert doesn't think he trains well enough at Del Mar. But the Dude who is sound and rock solid, who Baffert says always ships well, won't go to Saratoga because it's a tough ship? Even though he says Del Mar is not his best surface. But ship Paynter? Didn't Paynter also van up to Saratoga after his illness began? Why not put Dude on the plane with Paynter and van him the few more hours up to Saratoga like he did with Paynter last year. I don't blame bob for keeping dude in CA and taking the easy money, but really, a tough ship?
Thomas Cook More than 1 year ago
Agree.
Jordan More than 1 year ago
I don't agree with you on many of your views on Game on Dude, but I too think that Baffert should strongly consider shipping Game on Dude to Saratoga and away from Del Mar. Maybe he is, and if Paynter runs well in the San Diego we will see Game on Dude ship. It's clear that the Del Mar Poly is Game on Dude's least favorite maintrack surface from among the 3 major SoCal tracks. And as the last 2 Pacific Classics have shown us, if there's a really good turf/synth horse or a Poly freak, they will beat Game on Dude at Del Mar. This is not to ignore some reasons for keeping Game on Dude at Del Mar for the Pacific Classic. First, it's a $1 million race. Second, Game on Dude did run better in the Pacific Classic last year than in 2011, and he would enter this year's edition in career form. Finally, Baffert and the owners might be especially motivated to win the race given the previous two defeats and they may want to complete the Dude's resume as one of the most successful older horses in Cali history. But a trip to Saratoga would stir the attention of thoroughbred fans across North America and would offer Team Dude the chance to silence a bunch of critics.
Mr. Ed More than 1 year ago
Baffert has no interest or care for fan interest or trying to prove anything. Sending Dude to Saratoga will have nothing to do with how Paynter runs in the San Diego. It has to do with one thing. Keep him running for the biggest purses with almost no competition in his back yard and take the 10% of the winners share. He will stay in CA and run at Del Mar even though he keeps making the pre excuse of not his favorite track. And on that subject, you might note that Dullahan broke the track record in beating Dude by a few lengths, so how much does Dude really hate that track. Yea, Saratoga is a tough ship he says, but no problem for Paynter if that decision is made.
Tim More than 1 year ago
northern dancer x 3. raise a native, an mr. proctor. laminitis? what a surprise
Tim More than 1 year ago
I ment mr prospector
chad mc rory More than 1 year ago
Thanks for your support. Yeah and I ment to neg you but there aren't enough.
radnor87 More than 1 year ago
I am trying to figure out what his pedigree has. Got to do with laminitis,he became laminitic due to his gastrointestinal illness