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Updated on 03/22/2013 8:56AM
Kentucky Derby: Verrazano morning-line favorite for Pool 3 of Future Wager
By Marty McGee
LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Six new horses are in the lineup of 23 separately listed wagering interests and Verrazano is a lukewarm morning-line favorite in Pool 3 of the Kentucky Derby Future Wager, which opens its customary three-day run Friday at noon Eastern.
Churchill Downs linemaker Mike Battaglia has listed Verrazano as the 7-2 choice for Pool 3, with the mutuel field, the 24th or “all others” option, next at 6-1.
The new horses for Pool 3 are Hear the Ghost, Java’s War, Mr Palmer, Noble Tune, War Academy, and Will Take Charge. The displaced horses from Pool 2 are Delhomme, Dynamic Sky, Ive Struck a Nerve, Super Ninety Nine, Titletown Five, and Treasury Bill.
Will Take Charge, upset winner of the Rebel Stakes at Oaklawn Park last weekend, was 61-1 in Pool 1 and was among the field horses for Pool 2.
Pool 3 comes three weeks after Pool 2 (March 1-3), which in turn was held three weeks after Pool 1 (Feb. 8-10). In a more typical year, Churchill would have scheduled the third pool for next weekend, but the Easter holiday on March 31 made that unfeasible. The 139th Derby will be run May 4.
The field closed as the 3-2 favorite in Pool 1 and the 3-1 favorite in Pool 2. Verrazano was the second choice, and top separate interest, in both pools (11-1 and 9-1). Since Pool 2, Verrazano added an impressive victory in the Tampa Bay Derby to his unbeaten record.
Trainer Todd Pletcher, who had seven wagering interests among the 23 listed for Pool 1 and six for Pool 2, has five in Pool 3, led by Verrazano. Bob Baffert also has five in this pool.
With Pool 3 closing Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern, bettors can consider the result of the first Derby prep this weekend, the Spiral Stakes at Turfway Park on Saturday. However, the second prep of the weekend, the Sunland Derby at Sunland Park, will be run well after the pool has closed, with post time set for 7:40 p.m. Eastern on Sunday. As with any parimutuel wager, odds are not locked in until the pool closes.
Pool 2 drew a combined win and exacta handle of $407,038, the fourth-highest for a Pool 2 since Churchill began offering parimutuel futures in 1999. The two-pool aggregate for 2013 stands at $1,028,531, well short of the three-pool record of $1,665,990 set in 2005. The highest Pool 3 handle was $533,973, also in 2005.
Lineups for all future wagers are chosen by John Asher of Churchill Downs, Ed DeRosa of Brisnet, and Brad Free and Mike Watchmaker of Daily Racing Form.
Real-time odds and exacta will-pays are available on selected monitors at tracks and wagering outlets where futures are offered, as well as on kentuckyderby.com and kentuckyoaks.com.
Minimum wagers are $2 to win and $2 for exactas, although $1 boxes or part-wheels may be used to reach that $2 exacta minimum.
Kentucky Derby Future Wager Pool 3:
No., Horse, Pool 1 odds, Pool 2 odds, Pool 3 M/L
1. Code West, 56-1, 28-1, 30-1
2. Den’s Legacy, 77-1, 68-1, 50-1
3. Falling Sky, 114-1, 79-1, 50-1
4. Flashback, 12-1, 12-1, 12-1
5. Goldencents, 20-1, 24-1, 30-1
6. Hear the Ghost, 3-2(f), 3-1(f), 20-1
7. Itsmyluckyday, 13-1, 13-1, 10-1
8. Java’s War, 3-2(f), 3-1(f), 30-1
9. Mr Palmer, 3-2(f), 3-1(f), 50-1
10. Noble Tune, 3-2(f), 3-1(f), 30-1
11. Normandy Invasion, 15-1, 17-1, 20-1
12. Orb, 3-2(f), 12-1, 10-1
13. Overanalyze, 33-1, 37-1, 30-1
14. Oxbow, 26-1, 31-1, 20-1
15. Palace Malice, 3-2(f), 40-1, 50-1
16. Revolutionary, 13-1, 15-1, 15-1
17. Shakin It Up, 3-2(f), 48-1, 30-1
18. Shanghai Bobby, 14-1, 16-1, 15-1
19. Uncaptured, 40-1, 35-1, 20-1
20. Verrazano, 11-1, 9-1, 7-2
21. Vyjack, 49-1, 11-1, 10-1
22. War Academy, 3-2(f), 3-1(f), 30-1
23. Will Take Charge, 61-1, 3-1(f), 20-1
24. Field (all others), 3-2, 3-1, 6-1
(f) – Field entry
Go ahead and bet Verrazano. He either needs an outside post or a dream trip two wide in second pack. Cause when he gets in tight and has dirt showering his face he MAY back up faster than a bar room toilet on New Years Eve. At least go with Revolutionary if you pick a Pletcher colt.
CHILL-Play the futures don't play the futures, don't worry be HAPPY. One thing for sure it's not going away. I like to see them change the point system somewhat but that's another story. Like I said in KDF#2 taking AOs and the 2 Vs and ORB in a $24. exacta box it almost assures you several live tickets going into the KD. The nice thing the top 5 point getters are already in your box with 2 of them AOs in futures #2 (Will TC and Hear TG). Hey be happy you'll probably have an additional 3 or more AOs from KDF#2 in the DERBY. How does that translate in AOs? Its like getting 1,1a,1b,1c,1d 1e with the 2Vs and ORB. CAUTION ON DERBY DAY you must exacta box all of your AOs together to cover yourself. I don't know the exacta payoffs of the futures in the last 5yrs but on KD day min. exactas where at lease 70-1 or better (one was 1000-1). KDF #3 ? I don't know. I would like to see Lucky,Revolutionary Normandy in the KD and also only because of the earning they have Bobby and Gold.(last yr. these 2 horses would have been a shoe-in or horses shoe-in) Now we don't know till the "fat horse sings" sometime in late April.
Future ? How about 28-1 on WTC in rebel ! Ticket already cashed. Value to be found every day on horses across the country that are actually already in the starting gate.
Here is what I think would be a fun wager. $20.00 to win on Uncaptured in the Spiral. When he wins, wheel it back on Orb for the Derby. If it isn't a winner no biggie, if it pans out, it could be a $400 to $500 score for a $20.00 investment.
No need to be negative toward the futures pools. These three pools are for fun and for some added enjoyment on the derby trail. If you want to make a serious future wager, hit up Vegas. These pools serve their purpose and the exacta pools offer a lot of possibilities. I'm not saying they offer value, I'm saying they offer possibilities. I'm not a fan of making win wagers ahead of post time but I'm not going to talk down to anyone who does. Rachel was 3/1in her Oaks futures pool a few years back. I ran to the Racino for some of that action. I'll play Lucky and Vz in the exactas with a few horses here after playing them with the field in the first two pools. Could I have to rip up my tickets before derby day? Sure, but it's fun to keep track of all the 'others' i have from the first two pools and I can add a couple i don't have here. I don't think anyone is losing their shirt in these pools, let's relax and enjoy triple crown season. Happy handicapping.
question!!!!! what about i bet in pool 3 and my horse scratch during derby time..do i get my money back?
Love this wager, haven't missed making a future wager for the past several years and have hit some big ones. Still living on the money I've made thanks to future bets. Love it, keep it coming. Got a hunch, bet a bunch everyone. Good luck and may the racing Gods be with you.
Take horses descended from Raise a Native in tail male. Code West and Noble Tune look promising.
I don't like beer maybe they should get rid of that along with the futures bet. makes just as much sense to say. if you don't like it shut up and let those who do play it. what's it to you anyway?
Verrazano + Velazquez = Victory This horse looks very imposing. Gallops like Quality Road and looks like he has some stamina to go with that high crusing speed. Should definitely get 10f, not sure about 12f. Go Verrazano.
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