04/17/2012 3:45PM

Kentucky Derby: Hollendorfer still in decision process with Rousing Sermon

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Shigeki Kikkawa
Rousing Sermon may start in the Snow Chief for California-breds rather than the Kentucky Derby.

A decision on whether Rousing Sermon will be pointed for the Kentucky Derby may be made this week, trainer Jerry Hollendorfer said on Tuesday.

Hollendorfer said he intends to have a conversation with owner Larry Williams and Dan Kiser, who manages Williams’s farm, to determine a plan. One option other than the Kentucky Derby is the $300,000 Snow Chief Stakes for California-breds at Hollywood Park on April 28.

“We have not ruled out the running in the Kentucky Derby,”

Hollendorfer said. “Our horse is good and fit. He’s has a good foundation. I think we’ll be okay whatever we chose.”

A stakes winner against California-breds at 2, Rousing Sermon was third in the Louisiana Derby at Fair Grounds on April 1. Through Tuesday, Rousing Sermon was 20th on the list of 3-year-olds with graded stakes earnings, at $270,000, but one of the horses ranked in front of him, Louisiana Derby winner Hero of Order, is not nominated to the Kentucky Derby.

The Kentucky Derby has a maximum field of 20 horses. If the race oversubscribes, the top 20 horses who were nominated to the race secure a berth. A horse such as Hero of Order, who would have to be supplemented at time of entry, cannot replace a horse who was nominated in January or March.

Hollendorfer said that if Rousing Sermon runs in the Snow Chief Stakes, the colt could join the Triple Crown for the Preakness Stakes on May 19 or the Belmont Stakes on June 9. In addition, lucrative stakes at Monmouth Park and Saratoga during the summer have Hollendorfer’s attention.

“Every trainer in America would want to win the Derby,” Hollendorfer said. “Rather than make a rash decision, we have to decide what we want to do. In my opinion, it’s the toughest race in the world to win. There are a lot of good purses for 3-year-olds to run at.”

frankwoon More than 1 year ago
frankpickemright /jerry let me help you, give russell a chance
trytrytryx3 More than 1 year ago
99% sure he will be starting in the Derby...
matthew_melton More than 1 year ago
is this a joke? Surely the Dorf is getting some push from his owner's to run in the Derby. He has to know he would have a 0% chance
ECarlos727 More than 1 year ago
Your out of your mind!!! He doesn't want to run the horse, and I bet he's getting pressure from the owners to Run in the derby, he just doesn't want to shot them down.
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
The question for owners and trainers of a 3 year old with graded earnings is how much is the experience of running a horse in the Derby worth? Seriously, put a number to it. $100k? $200k? $500k? The question of how much it's worth partly depends on the horse you have. But most owners can count on making little money in the Derby itself. The winner gets the bulk of the purse, 2nd pays ok, but really every "paid position" after the winner doesn't receive the type of money you would think deserving of North America's most famous race. Running 4th in the Derby is a fairly good accomplishment, but you're not making a lot of money from it. More so than any other major race, the Derby is a race where to the winner goes the spoils. So, the owners and trainers of most Derby contenders should expect to actually lose money running in the Derby, or at best break even. Also, about half should expect their horses to either not run again the rest of the year or to be ineffective. For a myriad of reasons, the Derby just grinds up horses and spits them out. So, a significant number should expect not only to make little if any money in the Derby, but be prepared to make little the rest of the year. Weigh what little chance your horse has of winning or running 2nd in the Derby against the much likelier scenario that by running in the Derby your horse will be unproductive the rest of the year. That leads to the secondary question of what will be lost if the Derby does, indeed, knock your horse out for either all or a large portion of the remaining year. If you think your horse is good enough to be a major factor in races like the Travers and Haskell, or even lesser races like Peter Pan, Dwyer, Northern Dancer, Swaps, Ohio Derby, WV Derby, Indiana Derby, Penn Derby, Oklahoma Derby, Super Derby, then you could be looking at $300-$500k in earnings; and that's just for running 2nds and 3rds and maybe winning one race. Ironically, if you think your horse probably won't be competitive in those races but you somehow lucked into having sufficient graded earnings, then it's probably worth it to go to Churchill. These factors must be weighed against the joy and excitement of having a horse in the Derby. Owning or training a Derby horse isn't a one day experience. No, it lasts weeks, weeks in which you are treated as one of the most important persons in racing, in which reporters care about your horse, your thoughts, you. And then there is the dream that you might actually win the Derby. Even if you know your horse is a longshot, I'm sure everyone holds out some small hope that the amazing might happen and that their horse might actually triumph. I don't know what it's like to have this dream, to have it alive in you, but it's probably pretty intoxicating. And you can only have this dream if you're in the race.
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
The owners of this horse are the breeder as well. This horse already has a good resume and if he hits the board in any of the Triple Crown races, as he has hit the board so many times already, his stud fee will go up in value. So the math is 15 years of breeding at lets say $7,000 per live foal at up to 80 mare visits per year. That's $560,000 a year X 15 years or >>>>>>>>>>>>
Ian GW More than 1 year ago
He has done nothing and wouldn't even be close here.
William Hubbell More than 1 year ago
Don't Jerry (he won't). Too many horses are ruined running in the Derby!
Alfonso Maldonado More than 1 year ago
run Jerry run... Funny Cide, Super Saver, Mine that bird, Grindstone didn't have no hype going into the derby and they did ok... deep closers arent affected in the first turn cause there not fighting for position.. there position is in the back make one run passing tired beat up horses and u have a chance
greager More than 1 year ago
i totally agree you should allways throw conventional handicaping out the window on derby day!!! let it ride dude !!!!!
Nicholas Briglia More than 1 year ago
If you aren't sure by now then don't bother. Find an easier spot.
Nicholas Carraway More than 1 year ago
Horses that aren't leading or close to the leader at the stretch call (i.e., 1st or 2nd or within 2 lengths) in the last prep have a poor chance of winning the Ky Derby. Rousing Sermon is in that group, as are Sabercat, Liaison, Prospective, Done Talking, El Padrino, and--yes--Union Rags and Dullahan. You have to go back to 1986 and Ferdinand to find a Derby winner that wasn't up close at the stretch of his final prep.
mikem More than 1 year ago
get a life. charismatic, giacomo they weren't close to the leaders at the top of the stretch. do your homework- and remember, there is TOO MUCH SPEED IN THIS RACE. LOOK FOR A DEEP CLOSER. DULLAHAN AND UNION RAGS
Nicholas Carraway More than 1 year ago
Thanks for your scholarly advice. Giacomo was within 2 lengths of the leader at the stretch call of the Santa Anita Derby. Charismatic was second by a head at the stretch call of the Lexington Stakes. Here's my advice to you: Learn to read.
himmelle More than 1 year ago
Nicholas, you are correct. Statistically speaking, MOST Derby winners are within six lengths of the lead at the quarter pole. Take this and the fastest last quarter time and you have a solid paly which has given me winners and across the board plays such as Animal Kingdom, Ice Box, Pioneer of the Nile, War Emblem, Afleet Alex, and others. I also hiad the tri last year.
Nick Gunritz More than 1 year ago
The only reason this is useless information is because if some horses were entered in other spots they may not have been with 2 lengths at the stretch call. I can't confirm or deny what you are saying, however, if Mine That Bird were entered in a much tougher spot in his final Derby prep would he have been within 2 lengths? I don't know. However, it helps you narrow down your selections then it's probably smart.
MoneyMarcus More than 1 year ago
Do it Jerry. Charismatic got destroyed in the Santa Anita Derby. So did Giacamo. And don't foget about Mine That Bird.
matthew_melton More than 1 year ago
Charasmatic won the Lexington after that. Giacomo did not get destroyed in the SA Derby, I believe he ran 3rd. Mine that Bird was a Calvin mud last-to-first special.. all had shown prior talent and the bloodlines to run long. This horse has shown nothing against any quality.