02/03/2015 2:22PM

Field at even-money in Derby Futures Pool 2

Barbara D. Livingston
American Pharoah was the champion 2-year-old male of 2014.

American Pharoah, the Eclipse Award winner for top 2-year-old male, is the top individually listed wagering interest behind the heavily favored mutuel field in Pool 2 of the 2015 Kentucky Derby Future Wager, which opens Friday at noon Eastern for a three-day run.

The field, the 24th or “all others” entry, closed as the 3-5 favorite in Pool 1, followed by Dortmund at 9-1 and American Pharoah at 12-1. Combined handle for that pool was $232,204, the fourth-lowest since Churchill Downs first offered pari-mutuel futures in 1999.

For Pool 2, Churchill Downs linemaker Mike Battaglia is listing the field as the even-money morning-line choice, followed by American Pharoah (10-1), Dortmund (12-1), Upstart (12-1), Carpe Diem (15-1), and Texas Red (15-1).

Nine field horses from Pool 1 are now separately listed for Pool 2: Far Right, Firing Line, Gorgeous Bird, International Star, Itsaknockout, J S Bach, Khozan, Prospect Park, and Ocean Knight.

Gone from Pool 1, which was held Nov. 28-30, are Blofeld, Calculator, Classy Class, Eagle, I Spent It, Lucky Player, Ostrolenka, Punctuate, and Unblunted.

A Derby futures pool in early February traditionally had been the first of the season, but prior to the 2014 Derby, Churchill Downs moved Pool 1 to November while adding a fourth pool.

The pool closes Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern. Pool 3 is set for Feb. 27 to March 1 and Pool 4 for March 27-29. All pools will run from Friday to Sunday, as opposed to a Thursday-to-Saturday schedule used last year. A single Kentucky Oaks futures pool will be offered concurrent to Derby Pool 3.

Last year, eventual Derby winner California Chrome closed at 30-1 in Pool 2; the colt ultimately was the 5-2 favorite on Derby Day. Combined handle on Pool 2 last year was $380,249, the second-lowest for a pool during the same time frame (which had been Pool 1 prior to 2014). The field always has closed as the favorite in this pool.

As with any pari-mutuel wager, odds are not locked in until the pool closes. There are no refunds.

Real-time odds and exacta will-pays are available on selected monitors at tracks and wagering outlets where futures are offered, as well as on kentuckyderby.com.

Minimum wagers are $2 to win and $2 for exactas, although $1 boxes or part-wheels may be used to reach that $2 exacta minimum.

This is the 17th year for the future wager. Exacta wagering was added in 2009. In the case of field horses filling both exacta slots, the next-best finish by a separately listed horse will count toward the winning combination.

Lineups are chosen by John Asher of Churchill Downs, Brad Free of Daily Racing Form, Ed DeRosa of Brisnet, and freelance racing writer Gary West.

Results are predicated on the 141st Derby at Churchill on May 2.

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Kentucky Derby Future Wager Pool 2 lineup

No., Horse, Trainer, Pool 1 odds, Pool 2 M/L
1. American Pharoah, B. Baffert, 12-1, 10-1
2. Carpe Diem, T. Pletcher, 15-1, 15-1
3. Competitive Edge, T. Pletcher, 48-1, 30-1
4. Daredevil, T. Pletcher, 48-1, 30-1
5. Dortmund, B. Baffert, 9-1, 12-1
6. El Kabeir, J. Terranova, 74-1, 20-1
7. Far Right, R. Moquett, 3-5(f), 50-1
8. Firing Line, S. Callaghan, 3-5(f), 30-1
9. Frosted, K. McLaughlin, 38-1, 30-1
10. Gorgeous Bird, I. Wilkes, 3-5(f), 50-1
11. Imperia, K. McLaughlin, 27-1, 30-1
12. International Star, M. Maker, 3-5(f), 50-1
13. Itsaknockout, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 50-1
14. J S Bach, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 30-1
15. Khozan, T. Pletcher, 3-5(f), 20-1
16. Lord Nelson, B. Baffert, 72-1, 30-1
17. Mr. Z, W. Lukas, 47-1, 50-1
18. Ocean Knight, K. McLaughlin, 3-5(f), 50-1
19. Ocho Ocho Ocho, J. Cassidy, 29-1, 30-1
20. Prospect Park, C. Sise, 3/5(f), 50-1
21. Texas Red, K. Desormeaux, 14-1, 15-1
22. The Great War, W. Ward, 72-1, 30-1
23. Upstart, R. Violette, 53-1, 12-1
24. Mutuel field (all others), n/a, 3-5, even

(f) – denotes Pool 1 field entry.
(Morning line by Churchill Downs)

michael00937383 More than 1 year ago
I never have been one to bet the future pools. This year I gave some away as little stocking stuffer type Christmas presents to some novice fans. They are geeked. Helps to make some new fans. Makes me stay on top of races so I can keep them posted. A way to grow interest in the sport.
Ray Sousa More than 1 year ago
I can totally understand the arguments about the take out being to high.it is. But some of the other posts about how bad a bet this is are a little naïve.to complain that you got worse odds on a particular horse than derby day odds is just silly.the case of GIACOMO for example was very much the exception rather than the rule.in most cases you get much better odds.thats a fact.the exacta futures have often exceeded the payout by a lot. maybe im biased because ive done extremely well on these future bets.but here a few examples FUNNY CIDE was 50/1 in one of the futures pools.ILL HAAVE ANOTHER was 29/1 in pool 1 .the ANIMAL KINGDOM /NEHRO exacta paid over 3000 in the futures and about 300 on the day. The advantage of a futures bet is the locked in feature.if you like a horse you can lock in a decent price.this year i though 53/1 was good value on UPSTART .and that is the key value.it does not mean he will run or that his odds will be lower.if he continues to do what i expect i might end up with a live 9/1 or less horse locked at 53/1.if he goes off form and goes off at 100/1 so be it.i probably would not bet him on derby day in that case,and if he wins im getting 53/1 on a horse i would have jumped off.if he gets sick and does not make the gate .is that any worse than stumbling out the gate or loosing a jockey in the running. its part of the hazards of the game. Last year my top choices early where SHARED BELIEF and HOPERTUNITY so it did not work out well for me but I got great odds on SHARED BELIEF had he made it to the gate he would have been a short priced favorite.he did not make it but i got the right odds for the risk i took.
D'Funnybone More than 1 year ago
This is probably the worst pari-mutual wager to bet on in all of thoroughbred racing. The odds given are atrocious, learned my lesson years ago when I wagered on Giacomo in February, and actually got HIGHER odds on him Derby day than I got three months out. So in essence , Churchill held my money for three months and if I would have waited for the day of the Derby to bet, I would have gotten better odds. All the obstacles that a horse has to overcome(injuries, Obtaining enough points to gain a spot in the Derby) with no refunds if the horse doesn't earn a spot in the Derby, it is not worth making a wager on a future pool.
Ray Sousa More than 1 year ago
count yourself lucky to have cashed. You probably would have jumped off GIACOMO by derby day and collected zilch.
Frank Reach More than 1 year ago
This is truly a bad bet. The takeout is horrible.
Ian GW More than 1 year ago
Did great last year with CC 32-1 and CC w field exacta.
JERRY 2929 More than 1 year ago
Not a good bet learned my lesson last year
Walter More than 1 year ago
Why is takeout so high for this? This is a Futures Pool, the takeout doesn't fund purses, contribute to plant expenses, or anything else. It is pure profit. Takeout on all the actual CD races is used to pay for the expenses mentioned above. Another CD robbery of the racing fans.
Patrick J. Gianforte More than 1 year ago
You are right, I've been posting for years that there should be a zero or very low take out. If the committee was perfect and got all 20 starters right, there would still be 3 horses and all the field money scratched that should be considered as takeout. The pool is a joke because of the ridiculous odds, why would you take those odds when you'd get nearly those odds on Derby Day. Eliminate the take out and the handle goes up substantially every year, it would triple in year one. I think they got $23o,ooo in Pool 1?? That's embarrassing. Greed of this industry is killing themselves. I always say, do you want 100% of nothing or 10% of a whole lot of money!
Walter More than 1 year ago
So true!
Feanor Matheis More than 1 year ago
The selection committee either knows something we don't, or don't know a thing, with those 23 entrants. I suspect, as always, they are getting the backside information that ruins the business.
Ray Sousa More than 1 year ago
What are you talking about..they select the horses they think are most likely to run.at this point in time ..based on what has happened to this point.thats all they can do.as the other preps are run that changes.nothing unusual.
Mark D More than 1 year ago
This bet is a JOKE!!! This is 2015...we have the technology to have a pool with 450 betting interests. This bet would be AWESOME....I dont want Even Money on my longshot pick who is in the All Others Pool........I want 150-1.
Kim Lee More than 1 year ago
Wynn's Las Vegas offer's separate betting.
Matthew Hood More than 1 year ago
Yes, but not everybody is going to fly to Vegas to put $100 on a long shot.
Ray Sousa More than 1 year ago
vegas racebooks can offer that...this is different..although i would like to see 400 horse pools .especially in the exacta pools. 354 x 263 payout $87 560.00.
tommy More than 1 year ago
Prospect park is an intriguing horse!!! My picks are carpe diem, el kabier , firing line, frosted, Ocho Ocho Ocho, Texas red, upstart, and prospect park if he qualifies!!!! Dortmund I will put 3rd and 4th along with ocean knight
Anonymous More than 1 year ago
Thanks for the keen insight. You could have saved some typing and just said I like ALL of them.
D'Funnybone More than 1 year ago
How can you make definite selections when the race is still 3 months out? Hold onto your cash until Derby day, where at least a couple of your selections will not even make the starting gate.