11/05/2012 2:58PM

Breeders' Cup Juvenile runner-up He's Had Enough could be O'Neill's next Derby horse

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Barbara D. Livingston
Even though He's Had Enough (left) was defeated by Shanghai Bobby in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, his performance impressed trainer Doug O'Neill.

ARCADIA, Calif. – After a wild journey down the Triple Crown trail in 2012, the connections of dual classic winner I’ll Have Another could be back for more in 2013 with He’s Had Enough.

In his first start on dirt in Saturday’s $2 million Breeders’ Cup Juvenile at Santa Anita, He’s Had Enough finished a rallying second, falling a head short at the wire to the undefeated Shanghai Bobby after encountering traffic around the turn.

The result was the most encouraging performance to date from He’s Had Enough, a powerfully built gray son of Tapit who was coming off a troubled-trip 11th-place finish in the Breeders’ Futurity at Keeneland last month.

“He’s the real deal,” trainer Doug O’Neill said Sunday morning. “He’s got the pedigree, he’s got the body, he’s got the stride, he’s got the stamina. He’s been kind of a Playboy mentally; you could just see the light starting to go on in his head. I was very proud how mature he was [Saturday] with the paddock, handling all the people.”

O’Neill trains He’s Had Enough for Paul Reddam, and the horse was ridden by Mario Gutierrez. That same trio won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness this year with I’ll Have Another, who was diagnosed with a tendon injury and retired on the eve of the Belmont Stakes. Though He’s Had Enough isn’t related to I’ll Have Another, Reddam named him as a play on words off I’ll Have Another.

In Saturday’s Juvenile, Gutierrez had He’s Had Enough along the rail for most of the race. Around the far turn, Gutierrez had to steady the horse a couple of times and got shuffled back before rallying in the stretch. He couldn’t get past Shanghai Bobby, the 7-5 favorite who was capping an undefeated season that included victories in the Grade 2 Hopeful and Grade 1 Champagne.

“That was kind of a smaller version of a Derby-like experience,” O’Neill said. “Taking the kickback, having to check and come back through on the inside and then get out. We’re all bummed that he didn’t win, but just so proud of him and so excited of the possibilities.”

O’Neill said that He’s Had Enough came out of the race “in great shape.” O’Neill said either He’s Had Enough or Know More, who finished 13th in Saturday’s Juvenile Turf, could be a candidate for the $750,000 CashCall Futurity at Betfair Hollywood Park on Dec. 15.

O’Neill said Know More, who finished second to Power Broker in the Grade 1 FrontRunner Stakes on Sept. 29, could return to dirt at some point next year. He, too, is owned by Reddam.

“Know More threw in a clunker [Saturday], but he’s a quality son of a gun,” O’Neill said. “If I didn’t have He’s Had Enough, I’d be excited that Know More could take his place.”

O’Neill also has Goldencents, runner-up to Shanghai Bobby in the Champagne at Belmont, for a partnership that includes Louisville basketball coach Rick Pitino. O’Neill plans to run Goldencents in the $1  million Delta Downs Jackpot at Delta Downs on Nov. 17.

“He’s a horse who hasn’t shut it off,” O’Neill said. “Once he figures it out and he can shut if off for a little bit, I don’t think distance will be a problem. Right now, it is because he’s so precocious and wants to go.”

O’Neill had the ride of a lifetime campaigning I’ll Have Another to an undefeated 3-year-old season and winning the Kentucky Derby and Preakness. He wants to go on that ride again.

“I think the great experience we had, we’ll be even better prepared,” O’Neill said. “It’ll be a lot of fun to try that again; it was such a great experience. You get a little taste of that and you want to do that annually.”

Shanghai Bobby to winter in Florida

On Monday, Shanghai Bobby was expected to ship from Southern California to the Palm Meadows training center in south Florida. Trainer Todd Pletcher said he would give the Harlan’s Holiday colt a little freshening before plotting out a 3-year-old campaign. Shanghai Bobby is owned by Starlight Stable and Coolmore.

One of the first 2-year-olds to come to Pletcher at Palm Meadows this year, Shanghai Bobby started his 2-year-old campaign at Aqueduct in April and won at distances from 4  1/2 furlongs to 1 1/16 miles. Though it remains to be seen how far Shanghai Bobby wants to run, he continues to impress his trainer with his tenacity.

“The amazing thing about him, he’s always finding more,” Pletcher said. “He looked like a tired, beaten horse at the top of the stretch. The rest of the field came to him, he dug deep and found some reserve.”

Wesley Wright More than 1 year ago
I think the connections of He’s Had Enough wanted to spring an upset in the BCJ. If he had a good prep race on dirt he could have defeated SB. I really like this horse and his pedigree. Let's see what the connections do next. I will be watching this one closely for the next 6 months.
Cover2 More than 1 year ago
Probably be at Ohio, Illinois derbies..........not tc races......D O had his chansa with I H A.......didn't run in Bel stks ??
Amy Hurley More than 1 year ago
Good luck Paul, Mario, and Mr. Reddam. Hope to see you on the T.C. Trail again next year. And congratulations to Shanghai Bobby; he'll be a good one, no matter if he goes 1 1/4 miles or not. Anxious to see Power Broker get another shot, too.
Roger More than 1 year ago
I picked I'll Have Another very early on last year to win the derby. Although I bet He's Had Enough on Saturday, I don't see him as a derby contender. Tapit horses run a mie and a sixteenth and that's about it. Offspring of Harlen's Holiday don't want to go long either so I look for Shanghai Bobbie to falter at some point. Right now he's superior and further along than the other horses in the division and that's why he's winning. I put future money on Overanalyze this year at 100-1. I am not a fan of Dixie Union horses running long either as I was Union Rag's harshest critic last year, but I think this horse can develop into a dangerous front runner and is worth a shot because of that. This one has shown me a lot as he has been on the pace through fast fractions, run between horses, been bumped to last at the start, been covered in mud, run from last to first, and has not given up any ground to the winners in the stretch when he's lost. If he makes it into the field and the track comes up wet on derby day he'll have a big shot. I'll continue to lay money on him in the futures.
Greg Scherr More than 1 year ago
Funny, I texted Doug early Sunday a.m. and said I hadn't seen the race until late Sat. night, but said "I think he's my future book bet for the Derby, thoughts?" Response, Get me down as well
GOODWIN More than 1 year ago
Go, Rosie!
Alyssa F. More than 1 year ago
It's looks as though O'Neill mgith ahve 3 possible Derby contenders; He's Had Enough, Know More, and Goldencents. I still like Know More the most out of the three, I just don't get what his connections were thinking by entering him into the Juvenile Turf.
Alyssa F. More than 1 year ago
*might have
akhiym james More than 1 year ago
I also wondered the same thing about Know More. That was so stupid of them to run him on turf. He's really not a synthetic horse but he looks like he doesn't mind it but I think he would've had a big shot to win the Juvenile if he was entered. I guess they wanted to keep them apart but I wonder how will they campaign him and He's Had Enough.
Alyssa F. More than 1 year ago
I think it's probable that He's Had Enough will be entered into the CashCall Futurity, and then Know More will be entered into either the Robert B. Lewis stakes or the San Felipe. That is, if they want to keep them apart.
PeterG More than 1 year ago
Funny that Pletcher doesn't even listen to his own jockey. I listened to Rosie's interview after the race twice and I never heard her say that Shanghai Bobby was tired at the top of the stretch. She said he "got a big lead and then got lost" She said she is going to keep him behind or next to horses longer next time so that doesn't happen. In other words make her move later. She said he's "got some growing up to do". She said he "came to a walk" at the top of the stretch and was looking around in the infield , in the grandstand. If you watch the replay you can see the horse looking to the left as if he's looking for another horse. She never said the horse was "tired and beaten at the top of the stretch" like Pletcher keeps saying. I never heard her use the word "tired" at all and she was on his back.
PeterG More than 1 year ago
I meant to say "you can see the horse looking to the right" on the replay.
Rachel Harding More than 1 year ago
i agree, it was such an exciting race though, i find it funny he only won this race and baffert won none lol. this years breeder's cup was fantastic and lived up to its hype.
Ponies Payme More than 1 year ago
The horse WAS beaten. Just the hose that beat him got a terrible trip.
Ange More than 1 year ago
If He's Had Enough didn't get boxed in on the turn, he wins the race. He would have had more than enough momentum to blow past Bobby when that horse stopped running for a bit there. HHE will also run all day it seems where as Bobby won't go a mile and a quarter. Go Mario Go! Hastings is looking forward to another Triple Crown run!
Laura Coronado More than 1 year ago
He's Had Enough did pass Shanghai Bobby but Shanghai Bobby rebroke and passed He's Had Enough.
Ange More than 1 year ago
Actually HHE didn't pass Bobby at any point. If you had read my comment, it said that if had gotten clear sooner he WOULD HAVE passed the horse when he stopped running for a bit.
Dave Leiters More than 1 year ago
Ya, Ange, you can blame that boxed in part on your hero Super Mario. Pretty sure he has proved he cannot ride on the SoCal circuit, evidenced by his 3 wins at the meet. Needless to say, how did your Hastings stock fare at the Breeders Cup? Oh that's right, they all ran up the track. Newsflash, it was to be expected by any reasonable, knowledgeable handicapper, figure it out already, Hastings is the minor leagues at best.
Ange More than 1 year ago
Well excuse the connections from Hastings for taking a stab at the big leagues. Obviously you don't own horses or you would understand why they did it. And as for Mario winning only 3 races, did you see the horses he got to ride? It's sad that they won't give him better horses to ride, but if you ride bad horses you don't win races, as a "reasonable, knowledgeable handicapper," you should know that.
Dave Leiters More than 1 year ago
Ok Ange, first things first. OBviously you don't own horses, most owners like to run their horses where they belong not where they can get their head jerked off. There is a reason this was the first Breeders Cup with Hastings based horses competing. Secondly, do you understand why Mario does not get better mounts? Because there is at least 10 riders n SOCal that are more talented than him. Again, there is a reason why he has even won every riding title at Hastings and why he showed up there n the first place, not to mention his weak finishing ability and left hand. It is simple, all the better mounts are going to the better jockeys...look how Rosie out finished him on Shangai Bobby as he had his mount in the middle of the track.
Dave Leiters More than 1 year ago
I have owned horses and I know running them way over their head is never a good idea. There is a reason why Commander was the first BC Starter from Hastings. Regarding Super Mario, he does not get quality mounts because they go to the more talented riders. Why do you think he gets quality mounts in Western Canada? Because that is where his skill set allows him to have a competitive advantage over his colleagues.
Chris Lowe More than 1 year ago
Except for the Marathon, NOBODY was going by ANYBODY in the stretch @ Santa Anita !