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Workouts, Beyers, etc.
Dan! I like to play first race off front wraps. I have had 7 nice hits this year. For the third time this year the theory failed and all three were turf races. 2 out of the 3 races the horse was ridden by my old pal Eibar Coa. What are your thoughts about the theory and not working out on the turf?
I love the angle because, like the additional auction research we've recently talked about, it's an opportunity to take one step ahead of the general public. Unlike blinkers and bar shoes, front wrap information isn't announced to the public. If you're paying attention to the paddock and post parade proceedings, you can note which horses are adding or losing the bandages. Many handicappers are comfortable playing their numbers, and aren't interested in watching the ponies prance to the gate. That can be a mistake, especially in claiming races where the physical condition of the animal is extremely important. If a horse is removing front wraps, it certainly could be seen as a positive. As for the turf angle you mentioned, I'll need more information. Were these horses going dirt to turf? Had they previously worn bandages in grass races? Sometimes horses that run down on the dirt (and need bandages) won't have as much of a problem on the softer footing. Thus, trainers won't use wraps on the grass. If you're having trouble cashing on the angle on turf, stick with the dirt. There will be plenty of opportunities.
Any information you have on Dunkirk (Unbridled's Song-Secret Status by A.P. Indy) would be greatly appreciated. Who is the owner and trainer. When will he make his debut, etc.
Dunkirk, a gray son of Unbridled's Song, was purchased by Coolmore for the sale-topping $3.7M at Keeneland last September. Here's Glenye Cain Oakford's article on the purchase:
Dunkirk's dam won the Mother Goose and Kentucky Oaks en route to over a million dollars in earnings. She is kin to multiple Grade 3 winner Alumni Hall, and stakes-winner Private Gift.
Dunkirk breezed four furlongs in 50.20 yesterday morning at Palm Meadows, and may make his debut early next year at Gulfstream. Todd Pletcher is the trainer of Dunkirk, and it looks like Pletcher has been working him in company with Denver, an unraced Fusaichi Pegasus half-brother to multiple Grade 3 winner El Roblar.
Dan, How many 2-year-olds zip a 100 Beyer in their maiden debut? Is Obligingly the next Triple Crown horse?
Just wondering if you have a list of the horses who earned triple digit Beyer figures in their career debuts. I've only found 12 but I figure there are probably two or three horses that do it every year.
Obligingly earned his big number in his second start. He finished seventh in his career debut over polytrack at Keeneland on October 24 with a 49 Beyer.
Here's a partial list of the 100+ juvenile Beyer debut runners from 1996 - Present. I'm running a program to see if I've missed anyone. Hopefully, I'll have the results in the next day or two.
Hook and Ladder - 110 (1999)
Chilukki - 109 (1999*)
Discreet Cat - 106 (2005)
Forest Music - 105 (2003*)
Notional - 105 (2006)
Kelly Kip - 104 (1996)
Plagiarist - 104 (2005)
Elusive Heat - 103 (2008*)
In C C's Honor - 103 (1996)
Lost in the Fog - 103 (2004)
Rodeo - 103 (1997)
Frisco Star - 102 (2005)
Lieutenant Ron - 102 (2007)
Bro Lo - 101 (2005)
In Excessive Bull - 101 (1996)
Quality Road - 101 (2008)
Star of Broadway - 100 (1997*)
* denotes filly
I do like your idea of a big meetup for the Bloggers, but it might be a logistical nightmare. And BTW, Dan went to Nova Southeastern in FL, a big rival of my Eckerd Tritons (for perspective), so he might not have great things to say about Eckerd (eh, Dan?).
Hate to be a party-pooper, but Go Sharks! (hey, they were the Knights when I went there)
Who are your favorite horses you saw run in person?
Turn Back The Alarm
It was a chilly day at Aqueduct (when is it not a cold day at the Big A?), and I was perched in the cheap seats waiting for the post parade for the 1991 Carter Handicap. I had fallen in love with many thoroughbreds (Easy Goer, Go for Wand, etc.), but when Housebuster strode onto the track, he took my breath away. I had seen the 'Buster the year before when he gave a gut-wrenching performance as a three-year-old in the Metropolitan Handicap. Hooked up for most of the way, Housebuster turned back all challenges save for Criminal Type's late burst. Easy Goer, toting top-weight of 127 lbs., finished a lackluster third. That race showed me that Housebuster was a very good horse. This post parade confirmed my suspicions that he had the "it" factor.
Housebuster pranced out of the tunnel with Craig Perret aboard, took a few steps, and stopped. He was surveying the lay of the land, soaking in the atmosphere, and enjoying every minute of it. If any horse knew that he was 6/5, and the center of attention, it was Housebuster. Slowly, his head began to bob, up and down, up and down. If horses could talk, he'd have told you, "I'm the man. These jabronies don't have a chance." The bobbing didn't stop until Perret coaxed Housebuster into a jog.
On paper, however, this wasn't going to be a walk in the park. Black Tie Affair, who had just beaten Housebuster in Keeneland's Commonwealth Breeders' Cup, was in the field as was Gervazy, the recent winner of the $100,000 Gulfstream Park Sprint Championship. Rubiano and Senor Speedy, the 1-2 finishers of the Grade 3 Westchester Handicap in late March, were part of the group as well as Rousing Past, a son of Damascus that had just won the Grade 3 Bold Ruler. Traskwood and Sunshine Jimmy completed the lineup.
Housebuster didn't disappoint. He broke a half a step slowly from the rail, but rushed up along the inside to assume command. The first quarter was moderate, 22 4/5, and then Perret stepped on the accelerator. Housebuster inched away from Black Tie Affair and Senor Speedy on the bend, then opened up on the field turning for home. He was two clear of Black Tie Affair under the wire, and stopped the clock in 1:21 1/5, only a second off the track record.
It was as if Housebuster called his shot, like the Great Bambino in the 1932 World Series.
Dan, I was wondering what ever happened to Smokey Stover? He had a bad race in the '07 Sprint b/c he hated the track and then I've never heard anything since. He was a gelding, so I figured he would stay on the scene for at least another year or two
Smokey Stover was retired in May after suffering some minor problems. He is listed in the "Retired" portion of the "Disabled List" on the right hand side of the blog. I'm still a couple of months behind with the DL, but am hoping to catch up soon.
Also does anybody know where the trainer Ian Wilkes races his stock during winter. He trains my derby horse DISCREET STREET. (I am offically OFF the Position A bandwagon.)
He trains year-round in Kentucky, but does have a string in Florida during the Gulfstream meet. Wilkes had 40 starters at Gulfstream last winter. Check out his website at :
Here is what I propose, that I list the horses that have run 1 of ... and the 10 fastest work times for 6 furlongs at Santa Anita and Hollywood in the last 10 days and then we see how they perform in actual races in the next couple of weeks.
Dan - are you okay with running this on your blog?
No problem. The more data, the merrier I am.
Back next time with some more questions and weekend stakes opinions.
contest pick: leading money winner +robby alberado@fairgrounds= PATENA
I recently contacted the Stewards at the Fairgrounds regarding a very suspicious ride by Francisco Torres in the second race Jan 4 2009. The Steward I spoke with, to my surprise, acknowledged that he had already put Francisco Torres on notice and they were going to have him in the office the next day to ask him about that very ride. In reading your website today I realized that Mr. Torres as per most Jockeys excused his way out of that meeting. Why, because he was working horses Thursday the 8th of January.I guess the Lord works in Mysterious ways as he suffered a Broken Collarbone in a morning spill. I am amazed how little Jockeys , Trainers, Owners, or anyone else associated with a particular horse is held accountable. They receive slaps on the wrist and told to be a good boy or girl. There is so much illegal drugs in the sport and no one seems to care. I can see why Trainers walk around with smug grins on their faces . They know that they are untouchable in many respects. Thanks for your time Tim
I could not agree more Dan. I would only trust someone's analysis of a workout if they actually saw the workout. There are so many variables to workouts that it is futile to say whether a horse "worked well" unless you did see it. That being said, we see it constantly where DRF handicappers say that horses worked well when you know they did not see the work. Often they are commenting on workouts from another circuit. I like to see regularly spaced works. People forget that 90% of any horse's training occurs during the untimed jogs or gallops and fast workouts are often a product of their trainers style.
Tencentcielo ..for your "Silly" imaginary matings how about: Exchange Rate to Cielo? In the current economy = Tencentcielo. Exchange Rate- Horse 1997 , Danzig/Sterling Pound. http://www.pedigreequery.com/exchange+rate Cielo- Mare 1996 Marguetry/Dewans Advocate. http://www.pedigreequery.com/cielo4 & the chances of the foal being a Pretty Grey Horse are PRETTY GOOD! SR Vegas
vicstu Oh my Gawd, are you Kidding me! Oh, pleaseeese gag me. ...of course I knew what you meant, we are a bit of a different..aka "Good" kinda breed. & my best friend is Totally Blonde..he-he-he ...................... Lilly HA! I was a bit of the Tomboy too, I have older & younger brothers who played Football (Mighty Mites through High school) so I was more interested in rough & tumble sports stuff instead of the Barbies. (no offense to those who LOVED their Barbies).But of course I had my "Horse" collection that I played with when I was young, especially the Pretty grey one! I follow College Football, I was never into Basketball. SR Vegas
Dream Rush's is entered in the Race 9 at Tampa today. She worked a flying half mile on 11/22 at Payson.
Dan, Was looking Turfway this morning . I see they have Steppenwolfer at 3-1 for a 1 mile OC50000. I recall a statement at one time from the connections that the horse, "was bred to run in the Belmont". Nine races after the Belmont S., including this one, he will have run the Mile 4 times plus a 7F race. Kind of interesting. He hasn't done all that badly though, and maybe first time on synthetic he'll do OK. Two first time starters at Turfway I kind of liked were Jimanator, and Yes It's Barbara. The DRF has them at 50-1 and 20-1 respectively though, so I must be looking at things all wrong.
Midwest Ed, Gone south? I've been colder than our local therometers since the Breeers' Cup.
cayman, All those $10K claimers are transplants from up north. Ever notice the lack of full fields at northern tracks like Thistle, Pinnacle, and so on? You're taking multiple tracks and stuffing them into one. There's also the fact that one mile is two turns, allowing a better progression for sophomores.
I love Herborista today and will like her price as well. It's a Bird SHOULD take it down in whatever race Wolfson chooses today.. Aqueduct closes tomorrow till after Christmas..THANK GOD..It should close till St Patricks Day. Big race in Hong Kong tonite and the TVG monopoly keeps most of us from wagering om it. Just another example of how racing industry is killing itself from within.. But with the line-up TVG has offered from Nov till April, Schrupp and Co. may need a job soon.