10/13/2010 3:27PM

Who has Zenyatta beaten? Past performance requests

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Any chance you can review Zenyatta's record and make a list of all the Grade 1, 2 and 3 horses she's beaten in her career like you did for Rachel Alexandra?
Wayne Crimi

Dan, would you do a "whom has she beaten" rundown like that for Zenyatta? That was interesting.
Kyri

For Rachel Alexandra, we found that she defeated 77 rivals in her 13 victories.  She beat 13 past or future Grade 1 winners, 11 Grade 2 winners, 8 Grade 3 winners, 12 listed stakes-winners, and 1 restricted stake-winner. 

You can find the complete list below:

http://www.drf.com/blogs/frankel-who-did-rachel-alexandra-beat?page=4#comments

Zenyatta has beaten 88 horses in her 19 races to date.  Among the vanquished are 20 Grade 1 winners, 14 Grade 2 winners, 6 Grade 3 winners, 13 listed winners, and 5 restricted winners. 

Grade 1 winners:

*Tough Tiz's Sis (Lady's Secret Stakes, Ruffian Handicap) *Tough Tiz's Sis also won the Grade 2 Hollywood Breeders' Cup oaks, the Grade 3 Hawthorne Handicap, the listed Harry Hensen Handicap, and the listed WinStar Oaks*
*Romance Is Diane (Hollywood Starlet Stakes) *Romance Is Diane also won the Grade 2 Bayakoa Handicap, the restricted California Cup Juvenile Fillies, and the restricted California Cup Matron Handicap*
*Ginger Punch (Personal Ensign Stakes, Go For Wand Handicap, Ogden Phipps Handicap, Breeders' Cup Distaff, Ruffian Handicap, Go For Wand Handicap) *Ginger Punch also won the Grade 2 First Flight Handicap, and the Grade 2 Louisville Stakes*
*Santa Teresita (Santa Maria Handicap) *Santa Teresita also won the restricted Santa Lucia Handicap*
*Double Trouble (Santa Maria Handicap) *Double Trouble also won the Group 2 GP C T and C G da Rocha Faria in Brazil*
*Hystericalady (Humana Distaff) *Hystericalady also won the Grade 2 Molly Pitcher Stakes, the Grade 2 Delaware Handicap, the Grade 2 Fleur de Lis Handicap, the Grade 2 Molly Pitcher Breeders' Cup Handicap, the Grade 2 Hollywood Breeders' Cup Oaks, the Grade 3 Azeri Stakes, and the listed Gonzalez Memorial*
*Cocoa Beach (Matriarch Stakes, Beldame Stakes) *Cocoa Beach also won the Group 3 Clasico Jose Saavedra Baeza in Chile, the Group 3 Clasico Juan Cavieres Mella in Chile, the Group 3 Seleccion de Potrancas in Chile, the listed UAE 1000 Guineas in Dubai, the listed UAE Oaks in Dubai, and the restricted De La Rose Stakes*
*Music Note (Mother Goose Stakes, Coaching Club American Oaks, Gazelle Stakes, Ballerina Stakes, Beldame Stakes)
*Carriage Trail (Spinster Stakes) *Carriage Trail also won the Grade 3 Doubledogdare Stakes, and the restricted De La Rose Stakes*
*Life Is Sweet (Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic, Santa Margarita Handicap) *Life Is Sweet also won the Grade 2 La Canada Stakes, and the Grade 2 El Encino Stakes*
*Gio Ponti (Shadwell Turf Mile, Man o 'War Stakes, Arlington Million, Man o' War Stakes, Manhattan Handicap, Frank Kilroe Handicap) *Gio Ponti also won the Grade 2 Virginia Derby, the Grade 3 Sir Beaufort Stakes, the Grade 3 Hill Prince Stakes, and the listed Bourbon Stakes*
*Twice Over (Eclipse Stakes in England, Champion Stakes in England) *Twice Over also won the Group 2 Prix Eugene Adam in France, the Group 3 Craven Stakes in England, and the listed Foundation Stakes in England*
*Summer Bird (Jockey Club Gold Cup, Travers Stakes, Belmont Stakes)
*Colonel John (Travers Stakes, Santa Anita Derby) *Colonel John also won the Grade 3 Sham Stakes, the listed Real Quiet Stakes, and the restricted Wickerr Stakes*
*Richard's Kid (Goodwood Stakes, Pacific Classic, Pacific Classic) *Richard's Kid also won the Grade 2 San Antonio Handicap, and the listed John B. Campbell Handicap*
*Awesome Gem (Hollywood Gold Cup Handicap) *Awesome Gem also won the Grade 2 Hawthorne Gold Cup Handicap and the Grade 2 San Fernando Breeders' Cup Stakes*
*Mine That Bird (Kentucky Derby) *Mine That Bird also won the Grade 3 Grey Stakes, the listed Swynford Stakes, and the listed Silver Deputy Stakes*
*Rip Van Winkle (Juddmonte International Stakes in England, Queen Elizabeth II Stakes in England, Sussex Stakes in England) *Rip Van Winkle also won the Group 3 Tyros Stakes in Ireland*
*Einstein (Turf Classic Stakes, Santa Anita Handicap, Turf Classic Stakes, Gulfstream Park Turf Stakes, Gulfstream Park Breeders' Cup Stakes), *Einstein also won the Grade 2 Clark Handicap, and the Grade 2 Mervyn Muniz Jr. Handicap*
*Girolamo (Vosburgh Stakes) *Girolamo also won the Grade 2 Jerome Handicap*

Grade 2 winners:

*Dawn After Dawn (La Canada Stakes) *Dawn After Dawn also won the listed Wishing Well Handicap, and the restricted Moscow Burning Stakes*
*Kettleoneup (Falls City Handicap) *Kettleoneup also won the Grade 3 Sixty Sails Handicap, the listed Pippin Stakes, and the listed Autumn Leaves Stakes*
*Bear Now (Cotillion Handicap) *Bear Now also won the Grade 3 Selene Stakes, the Grade 3 Kentucky Cup Distaff, the listed Ontario Matron, the listed HIll N Dale Stakes, the listed Duchess Stakes, and the listed Hill N Dale Stakes)*
*Briecat (Bayakoa Handicap) *Briecat also won the listed Las Madrinas Handicap, the listed Chandler Stakes, and the listed Arizona Oaks*
*Lethal Heat (Hollywood Oaks) *Lethal Heat also won the Grade 3 Santa Paula Stakes, the restricted Real Good Deal Stakes, and the restricted Fleet Treat Stakes
*Made for Magic (Milady Handicap) *Made for Magic also won the listed Las Madrinas Handicap*
*Regal Ransom (Super Derby, UAE Derby in Dubai)
*Striking Dancer (La Canada Stakes)
*Pretty Unusual (El Encino Stakes) *Pretty Unusual also won the restricted Melair Stakes*
*Just Jenda (Molly Pitcher Stakes) *Just Jenda also won the Grade 3 Monmouth Oaks, the Grade 3 Honeybee Stakes, the listed Monmouth Beach Stakes, the listed Serena's Song Stakes, the listed Tiffany Lass Stakes, and the listed Brandywine Stakes*
*Zardana (Bayakoa Handicap) *Zardana also won the listed New Orleans Ladies Stakes, the listed Clasico Luiz Alves de Almeida in Brazil, the restricted Swingtime Stakes, and the restricted Osunitas Stakes*
*Switch (Hollywood Oaks) *Switch also won the listed Torrey Pines Stakes)
*Satans Quick Chick (Raven Run Stakes)
*St Trinians (Santa Maria Handicap) *St Trinians also won the listed Paseana Handicap*
 

Grade 3 winners:

*Indescribable (Arlington Matron Handicap, Cardinal Handicap, Doubledogdare Stakes, Kentucky Cup Distaff)
*Brownie Points (Ouija Board Handicap) *Brownie Points also won the listed Cimarron Stakes, the listed Martha Washington Stakes, the listed Stonerside Stakes, the listed DeBartolo Oaks, the listed Remington Park Breeders' Cup Oaks, the listed Iowa Distaff Breeders' Cup, and the listed DeBartolo Memorial Handicap*
*Sealy Hill (Bourbonette Oaks) *Sealy Hill also won the listed Glorious Song Stakes, the restricted Woodbine Oaks, the restricted Bison City Stakes, and the restricted Wonder Where Stakes*
*Super Freaky (Providencia Stakes) *Super Freaky also won the listed La Habra Stakes*
*Be Fair (Lake George Stakes)
*War Echo (Silverbulletday Stakes) *War Echo also won the listed DRF Distaff Stakes

Listed winners:

*Fleet Caroline (Sun City Handicap)
*Lemon Drop Mom (Go For Wand Stakes, Ghost Goblin Stakes, Winter Melody Stakes)
*Model (It's In The Air Stakes)
*West Coast Swing (Prairie Meadows Oaks)
*Taste's Sis (Kachina Handicap)
*Anabaa's Creation (Prix Isonomy in France)
*Tidal Dance (Ladies Stakes, Affectionately Stakes)
*Dance to My Tune (La Lorgnette Stakes) *Dance to My Tune also won the restricted Jammed Lovely Stakes*
*Taptam (Pippin Stakes, Wigwam Stakes) *Taptam also won the restricted Valor Farm Stakes and restricted Martanza Stakes*
*Will O Way (Corte Madera Stakes, California Oaks)
*Rinterval (Wintergreen Stakes)
*Princess Taylor (CTT & TOC Handicap)
*Emmy Darling (Landaluce Stakes)

Restricted winners:

*Kris' Sis (Osunitas Handicap)
*Silver Z (Warren Thoroughbred Stakes)
*Gambler's Justice (Melair Stakes, CTBA Marian Stakes)
*Champagne Eyes (Santa Lucia Handicap)
*Moon de French (Adoration Stakes)


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Dan,
Are you and Olivia related to the Amanda Duckworth who just wrote a touching article about Real Quiet on ESPN.com? Just curious.
Laura Lawduck

No relation, but I enjoyed the piece on Real Quiet as well.  Here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/columns/story?columnist=duckworth_amanda&id=5627355

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What was Zenyatta's BSF?
Josh

Zenyatta received a 100 Beyer Speed Figure for her nineteenth straight victory in the Lady's Secret at Oak Tree on October 2.

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This is my only request for lifetime past performances. The year was 1972 and I attended the last, sparsely attended, Preakness on a rainy Saturday with my new bride. Bee Bee Bee was a required bet for me.
JIMPEREGOY

Jim, I'd love to get you the pp's for Bee Bee Bee, but I don't have them in my system.  Sorry.

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Dear Dan, Thank you for the Old Favorites PPs. Which brings us to another question. Handi Jet made 128 lifetime starts. Is this a record? Why can a $5000 claimer run 128 times and our top handicap stars run a half dozen times a year? It was eye opening.Thanks!!
Sandra

I doubt it's a record.  For a sound and hearty horse like Handi Jet, a claiming animal that won't receive many opportunities at stud, it makes the most financial sense to race him.  Unfortunately, our top handicap runners have the golden carrot being constantly dangled in front of them.  That golden carrot is a lucrative stud career, a career that will earn them far more than they can ever make on a racetrack.  How do the connections of a top handicap horse build the best credentials for stud?   They map out a campaign geared to only the biggest and most important races (i.e . The Breeders' Cup).  Four or five races are considered "enough" to get them fit for the big day.  Do I agree with this form of training?  No, of course not.  But this is not a racing game anymore.  It is a breeding game, and as long as stud farms are going to throw out large sums of money for even second-rate handicap horses, you can expect racing campaigns to grow shorter and shorter.

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Richard Dutrow vs Rudy Rodriguez...
Any way of finding out the trainer stats for Richard Dutrow ever since his stable jockey/helper went 'supposedly' off on his own to train?
Anyone who follows New York racing knows what this question is about...
KYL Syndicate

Rudy's first starter was on February 18, 2010.  Since then, the Dutrow barn has 389 starts, 88 wins, 90 seconds, and 54 thirds.  That's good for 22% winners, 59% in the money, and an ROI of $1.50. 

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Dan:
What is your opinion on some of our local jockeys?...and comments on any particular ones?..just curious...
Also if you could..could you put up the pp's for Oliver Mellors and Opposing Force?...thanks
Mickey

I've felt that Ramon Dominguez has been one of the more underappreciated riders in the country for quite a bit of time, and it's nice to see him get some big horses like Gio Ponti.  He's as dependable as they come.  Javier Castellano has had a wonderful year and I think he's moved into the upper echelon of the New York jockey colony.  John Velazquez is rock-solid.  Edgar Prado's numbers are down, but he still can get it done when partnered with the right horse.  Cornelio Velasquez and Alan Garcia are very consistent and Rajiv Maragh is underrated.  Although Jose Lezcano struggled at Saratoga, he's shown flashes of talent and I'd really like to see David Cohen ride more quality stock.  It's a very strong colony right now.

The past performances for Oliver Mellors and Opposing Force are located at the bottom of this blog post. 

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Can anyone tell me what happened to Rule. I havent heard anything about him since Todd Pletcher said he wasnt training up to the Derby well enough to enter this year, even though his last work I saw was a bullet best of 30 or 40 that day. Considering the winner I think Rule would have done better than the filly he entered and probably the lucky winner who beat a weak field on a sloppy track. Tom Welchel

Rule finally made his return to the work tab on October 10, breezing three furlongs in 37.60 at Churchill Downs.  It was his first work since late April when he was withdrawn from consideration from the Kentucky Derby.  If all goes well, I would expect a return run during the Churchill Downs meeting. 

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Dan can you post the pp's for 2 horses
Bedside promise & mark the lark. Thanks!!
Marc

The past performances you requested are available at the bottom of the blog posting.

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Dan,
Love the info you provided on Frankel. I see that you post PPs for some people. Would you mind posting Raw Harmony? He is an old OH bred from many, many years ago who was apparently very good going around the country from what my grandpa tells me. I'd love to see his PPs.
Thanks,
Ryan

Ryan, I can't find anything for Raw Harmony.  Are you sure you have the name right?

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With the Secretariat movie coming out I started thinking about one of his grandson's because he was a good runner and looked just like him. His name was Full Moon Madness and made money for me when i was younger. Can you please post his PP's
Walfred

His past performances are available at the bottom of this blog posting.

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Dan,
One of 2010's more interesting jockey pure plays, Johnny Gihua, has just lost his bug. Without having you go too crazy, does DRF keep any stats on jockey records (including the all important ROI) pre and post losing the apprentice weight allowance?
As always....Thanks!
Alan

Alan, I'm sure there's a way, but I haven't found it yet.  Then again, all I'd need was the date he lost the bug and search from there. 

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Dan-
I was reading Watchmaker latest blog entry in which he states that the jamaica should have never been upgraded to a grade 1. Now i dont neccesarily disagree with him (in fact i think the whole grade system could use some revamping), however, when he listed the past 5 winners i felt that several were clearly grade 1 types and that he may be minimalizing there accomplishments by using them as evidence of why this race is not grade 1 worthy. I would like to see the pp's for these 3 if you could.....maybe refresh my memory a bit: court vision, nobiz like shobiz, and showing up. Thanks in advance and also what do you think? Is it just me or were these 3 all solid grade 1 types? Just curious.
eric t

The Jamaica winners are available at the bottom of this blog posting.

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Dan,
It's a long story, but if you could possibly post the Past Performances for the following 4 horses, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks so much.
AWASARUMOR, ZARB'S STAR, KACEY QUICK and RAYOFSUNSHINE
Marty

I have nothing but cybertime on my hands.  Tell the story if you get a chance.  The pp's are at the bottom of the blog post.


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Dan, this request is so far down on the thread....I don't know that you'll see it. But I would really like to see the past performances of Memories Of Silver. She was a hickory daughter of Silver Hawk, and her own daughter crushed the 2yo turf stakes last week. I know that Memories Of Silver won the Beverly D, but after that, I don't remember much.
A reminder would really be nice! Thanks!
Paseana

Memories of Silver was a really nice turf mare.  Her past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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Dan,
Can you please help me with a Trakus question (perhaps ask your friends at Keeneland):
How accurate are the Trakus times (vs the actual race calls) and where do they actually put the timer on the horse? An example of a timing issue was in Race7 on the turf from yesterday. At the finish, #5 High Quality finished in 2nd-place, a head in front of #9 Jonmil's Edge....yet by final Trakus time High Quality finished .02 seconds behind the 3rd-place finisher.
Alan

Honestly, I don't know much about Trakus.  I did find this on their site.  Perhaps it will help.

http://www.trakus.com/press-pdf/trakus_FAQ.pdf

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HG Glowing Honor
$100 Exacta Stormy Publisher/Quebrada Shiner.
The two Argentines look a cut above the rest. Both are training well with great works. Quebrada Shiner has beaten up on Sandy's Ready (finished ahead of her 3x) as well as Looky Here. Also, Quebrada Shiner demonstrate solid consistency and regularly puts up performances that would be considered good for this group. Stormy Publisher is coming off a long layoff, but has been training well for a few months. She recently had an impressive bullet work, doing 47 and 3/5ths on September 20th. Her other works have been very impressive as well. Furthermore, her trainer has proven adept at converting imports into winners.
Jeffrey

Congrats to Jeffrey for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise.  He chooses the seventh race at Keeneland on Thursday. 

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog  In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.

***PAST PERFORMANCES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS BLOG POST***

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

I'll post the Beyer spreadsheets in the next day or so.

Best,

Dan

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Ron More than 1 year ago
I would like to see the comparison of Zenyatta & Blame. I don't believe Blame has beaten as many graded horses as Queen Z. I am trying to understand the reason Blame should be "horse of the year" over Zenyatta. Could you do a run down on Blame, also?
luresdouble More than 1 year ago
Cmon Dan, lets at least be a bit intellectually honest here in assessing the competition Zenyatta has faced versus Rachel Alexander. Almost all of the graded vitctories of Rachels opponents who she beat were victories earned on the same surface that she faced those opponents on, REAL DIRT. On the other hand, very very few of the graded victories of Zenyattas opponents that you mentioned above were actually earned on the surface she faced those opponents on, namely Polytrack. Looking at just the results of the 2009 BC Classic, (run on polytrack), I count a total of 10 G1 winners and 9 G2 winners who won those graded events either on real dirt or real turf. Not a single graded synthetic victory among those 10 G1 and 9 G2 winning opponents. In fact the only horse Zenyatta faced last year who had a proven record of winning on Polytrack was Colonel John (not counted in my numbers above) and ALLl of his graded synthetic victories took place in the spring of 2008, 18 months prior to the 2009 BC Classic. If you remove the non polytrack graded wins from Zenyattas opponents I'm guessing you will find that she has barely faced any proven G1 or G2 winners on her specialty surface. Crunch some numbers and prove me wrong? I looked at just a single race, last years BC Classic and with 1 race I eliminated 10 of the G1 winners and 9 of the G2 winners from among her list of beaten horses if you exclude G1's and G2's won on a surface she did not face them on.
wesley More than 1 year ago
I enjoy the banter from the Zenyatta fanatics; it still stings that she couldn’t win HOY over a ultra impressive 3 year old filly that stole the hearts of Americans by means of her gutsy impressive wins against males 3 times. 1st question is why Zenyatta at 6 has only 1 win against males when Rachel has 3 and Goldikova has 7. Does that intrigue you as much as it does me? Well that only tells me there are two conclusions, 1 she is not good enough to face consistent Grade 1 quality over a season and certainly not grade 1 male, there fore the ducking of every race of significance run in the US over the last 3 years other than the 2 BC races. That’s pitiful when you have to settle for training a horse for 11 months for 1 race. Doesn’t it seem strange that the rest of the horses running compete in legit Grade 1 races all year long and Zenyatta runs in and against Grade II, Grade III, allowance horses and horses that are competing in optional claimers throughout the year. If there was any faith she could do more they would allow her to do more, see I don’t live in a world of she would have or she could have or she should have, its about what did she do. That’s why I enjoyed being a fan of Jess Jackson for the past 3 or 4 years and will in the future. He wants to know that he has the best “Horse” not the best filly or mare, and in 2009 easily hands down he had the best horse in America running and possibly the world. He challenges his horses to strive to be the best, Jerry Moss not so much, in chasing a name like Pepper’s Pride he has invalidated Zenyatta’s legacy, and the doubters will still be there even after a win in the BC. Because wow she can show up the freshest horse basically running in paid workouts all year long and beat horses that have banged heads in grueling campaigns in races recognized as significant nationally all year long. The Personal Ensign, Beldame, Stephen Foster, Ruffian, DWC, Hollywood Gold Cup, pacific Classic these are all races of significance. What does winning the vanity do for a horses’ legacy oh and on a surface that has been around less than a decade. The Asterisks that the Europeans put out there by her name says it all, and history will do the same, Rachel set records both by means of margin of wins and also time, Zenyatta has done neither, Rachel challenged the best on a legit surface these horses train on all year long. Zenyatta beat horses mostly making their first start on the surface who had 30 days to train and get accustomed to it. Why did horses like Ginger Punch, Curlin, Music Note, Munnings and others fare so bad in the BC on synthetics, oh yeah 0-43 says it all for the dirt horses. Well because they didn’t know the surface but in trying to entice the Euro’s to come over the BC made the biggest mistake ever, and therefore lost the biggest draw the BC would have ever seen as Jess Jackson decided to skip that invalidated 2 day event on a surface that no longer exists at Santa Anita. I laugh at those that try to make it out to be more than it was, riddle me this, Curlin defeats Tiago by 10 lengths or better each time they face each other on dirt, then all of a sudden on synthetics Tiago turns the tables on one of the greats to ever run. Lol not so much. Riddle me this Ginger Punch never out of the money in 16 career starts, winner of numerous Grade 1 races all of a sudden runs 6th in a race she won the year before. Sorry there is a reason for this its called the surface. Jim C you post is really not worth response, I’ve gotten into the name calling before with children like you in the past, and I use the word children respectfully, as either you are a early teen pretending to know about horse racing or you are just a very immature adult who cannot hold a conversation without having to resort to calling someone a clown. See the rest of your message goes unread because you don’t have the ability to address someone correctly, and then we press forward. I will say this, I took so much pride in following Rachel as she left my home track “Oaklawn” and proved her greatness over and over again, breaking records left and right, something no other horse has done in years, I believe Lawyer Ron broke the last 9f record at Saratoga winning the Whitney in 1:46.64 in 2007. Rachel in the Mother Goose out did that mark by 2 lengths and did it being eased, that my friends caused Jerry Moss to do a 180 and turn back on his remarks earlier that day that they were shipping Zenyatta east to face and beat Rachel, because he knew his horse could not run 9f in 1:46.33 or anything close really, yep in drf he stated earlier that morning that they were coming east for a showdown, and then a day later recanted that statement. I would ask Mr. Moss, why you would be scared to face a 3 year old when you have this supposed 5 year old world beater in your barn. Simple really, as many of the trainers stated on Mary Forney's blog and youtube videos that Rachel would have embarrassed Zenyatta, it made no matter the distance last year, it would have been over before it began. And I was so happy on Jan 18th when HOY was announced as I saw the look of failure on the face of Jerry Moss, I knew you Zenites would be crying and whining about how a horse who ran a championship campaign was awarded the highest honor in the sport compared to a horse that won 1 race of consequence last year. That made me proud, and that’s why she’ll always be the “2009 Horse of the Year, and Rachel Alexandra the Great”
Warwick More than 1 year ago
James and John I don't mean to say who's best: I don't think it's realistic to compare horses who will never meet because they get different trips. My point was simply that Goldikova should be bracketed alongside Zenyatta and RA as one of the three superfillies of the last year or two, a group which any generation would be lucky to see. Although Goldikova is best over a mile, it is worth pointing out that she has beaten the boys in Group 1 races over both 7 and 9 furlongs. I would love to have seen her have a shot at the Classic last year on the ProRide. Dirt at Churchill Downs is a different prospect though and this year's BC Mile is clearly the race for her. I still think the list of horses Zenyatta has beaten is not as impressive as the hype would suggest. Let's face it, Zenyatta mania is much greater than the buzz over the other two horses mentioned here. But a full one half of the top grade winners she has beaten were beaten by her in one race, the BC Classic, and she has not faced any of those ten on any other occasion. That leaves only ten top grade winners (and all of them females) that she has faced in her other 18 races. That said, you can't say that any of the other superstars are better than her for the simple fact that noone has ever beaten her. I just find it a little frustrating that, after 19 consecutive victories, there is still some doubt about how great she really is. We got a glimpse in the Classic last year. If she had participated in a few other races with fields of similar, or nearly similar, quality, we would know. It would also have been nice to see her travel outside Calif more than just to an invitational 5 or 6 horse race in Arkansas where she goes off a 1/20 favourite.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
BSB, Thanx 4 the comment about my Dad. He's a real trooper. Now , back to the show, big fella...LOL.. You better check your figures on times. "Figures don't lie, but liars like you, sure can figure.." Check your figures.........146.1 trumps anything your girl has done anywhere...Your girl did it on PLASTIC to boot{146.85}...All fake, like the surface...Zen did it in 150.71 on DIRT..Checkmate........ That's like 19 lengths......Telescopic Olfactory Smelling range...........to Rachels BUTT....... It has taken Jerry & the Dreamers almost 4 years to finally{if he lets her go} face a male horse of any quality on DIRT. Rachel did it 3 times in a matter of 3 months & she won everyone of them at 3 years of age. All male Grade 1's. You can't even try & compare the over inflated FEMALES{not a single Grade 1 winning horse this year} that Zen has faced, to anything like Rachel destroyed last year. That's why Rachel won the HOY & your guy Jerry has never won one. Quite frankly I don't know how Z got a single vote last year. & you wonder why Steven Crist & Shuback & Beyer & other DRF'ers say she has to win the BCC to validate her career. Blame Jerry Moss. Zenyatta should have fired that sucker long ago. Why ? Because I think she could have beaten the males on dirt. But she didn't. So again, blame Jerry. He opted to beat Pepper's Pride record, instead of running outside Cali. Whoopdeedoo...... Rachel won her HOY. Now it's the time the big girl takes the bull by the horns. Your girl had ample time to face Rachel last year & more than enough time to pad her ridiculous easy schedule. It's a damn shame the campaign Jerry utilized. He denied the racing nation of a great racehorse. There's no shame in losing, as long as it's justified. Jerry has no justification.. All things aside. One cannot blame the horse. I'll give her that. I just hope she runs big. She's a great race horse. One of the best females that ever lived. Afterall, we lose sight that she is a female. If she wins she gets elevated. Hey, even if she loses, I won't detract. She's almost 7 years old. Had Jerry gave her a timely set of races when she was younger, Z wouldn't be in this spot. Again, total DISDAIN for Jerry Moss, & all respect to Zenyatta, the horse. Okay.......
Vince More than 1 year ago
Wesley- Dude, you really need to check yourself. Your starting to embarrass even the most ardent Zenyatta detractors. The more you write you more you lose people. You don't offer anything concrete other than your opinion, which like Andy Beyer, you are entitled to. But you really need to move on.
Blackseabass More than 1 year ago
Goldikova has finished in front of Paco Boy 4 times in 4 tries does that mean she keeps beating up on the same weaklings? Curt V, this is coming in late but I'm glad to hear your Dad is OK. Take a couple of pot shots at me if you find the time or inclination. LOL. I'll give you a couple of free ones to show my hearts in the right place kid. I'll think up something to say about Z or RA for you to grab hold of and do me a favor make it plenty sarcastic . hehn?
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
Look people lets face a few facts . There has been 10 gr.I F&M 3+ races run so far this year. Zenyatta has won 5 of them. Half of the GR. I's for 3+ F&M's. Some of those races were run on the same day or weekend. If they were spread out more than Zenyatta would have won more of them. Now , how are there going to be tons of Gr. I winning older F&M's when Zenyatta has won near half of those races over the last 3 years ? It doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon to do the math. The Zenhaters are pinning there hopes on the chance of a loss at CD to invalidate Zenyattas career. Thats pathetic. Jerry Holendorfer said recently that he would rather Blind Luck give 10 lbs. to Harve de Grace and travel across country than stay home and face Zenyatta. Why? According to him you should always want to put your horse where it has a chance to WIN. Jerry Holendorfer one of the all-time winningest trainers, a guy that knows something about spotting horses. He conceded in the pages of DRF that running vs. Zenyatta would have put his horse in a situation where she was running for 2nd at best. Good luck to all the players BSB
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
WESLEY, Zenyatta ran past Ginger Punch like she was tied to the 1/4 pole on your home track which last time I checked is red dirt. I listed some of the past winners of the VANITY as well as the CL Hirsch and Lady's Secret a couple of threads back. I suggest you bone up on some racing history and then you'll know what the Vanity does for a horses legacy. Its a hell of a lot more than the Apple Blossom. Oh yeah , your hero never ran in the Apple Blossom. She was busy getting beat in ungraded stakes. She did win the Martha Washington though. Impressive! LOL. Zenyatta doesn't run in Gr. III or overnighters. LOL. Did you get yourself some Rachel Alexandra trading cards this year ? I heard they were going pretty cheap. LOL Did you take a lot of pride that RA never returned to your home track to be drubbed by Zenyatta ? LOL "... He knew his horse could not run 9f in 146.33 or anything close really" Zenyatta ran 146 and change the day your precious Ginger Punch missed the board in the BC. The Personal Ensign ? In case you didn't notice your hero got beat by a 5yr old mare that never won a graded stakes before and never topped an 85 BSF and was sired by Smoke Glacken. LOL. The Beldame ? Your hero never ran in the Beldame even though she was in the neighborhood twice. LOL. Who are all these horses that ran the "grueling campaigns" ? Would that be Summer Bird ? Quitter Road ? Blame ? Regal Ransom ? Einstein ? Who ran the "grueling campaigns" ? It's all been printed in black and white the last 2 weeks on Formblog. You're in denial. LOL
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Jim C., I take offense to anyone calling another a derogatory clown. & an East Coast Clown to boot. Remember, the entire country had a say in the HOY award. Rachel won easily. So, I guess there's an awful lot of Clowns & a lot of condescending know-its out west. & how about the guys who run the blogs at the DRF ? Wesley took most of my thunder, but let me add. You asked about females vs. males. About the only thing you said correct was that. It rarely ever happens & only happened once in history{3 yr. old filly vs. older males}, when a filly beat the older males in the Woodward. Where was your world beater ? She was beating up on an overmatched crop of infalted Grade II mares, on a PLASTIC surface in California. Whoopdee Doobee !! The Woodward was open to any horse on the Planet Earth. Before that she won the venerable Triple Crown race called the Preakness. She ran against the best 3 year old MALES on the planet. & then beat the same horse Zen beat by 2 lengths, when she annihilated Summer Bird by a widening 6 lengths. That's 3 times in a short 3 months against Grade I winning males. All against males on dirt. The best time Zen ever had on dirt in a 1 1/8 race was 150.71. Rachel had a 147.1 @Monmouth & a near world record of 146.1 @ Belmont. Jerry Moss would have needed a telescope to find Zenyatta on the track last year. Now, having said that, that was 2009. By your own statement, you should understand why Rachel Alexandra, the Great was voted by a vast majority of the writers Horse of the Year. She did it on the track & not in a publicity stunt filled campaign, topped off w/Bobbleheaded parades & celebrity showdowns. Zenyatta now has her one & only chance to duplicate in some way,{HOY} Rachel's feat. & I wish her well. I give her kudos for just showing up. Like you said, females vs. the males rarely happens. While Rachel did it 3 times on DIRT, now Zenyatta has her chance to solidify her legacy. I just hope Jerry gets her to Church on time. BTW: Thanx for making my comment so much easier. I'm glad you saw the light about beating males, especially from a little old filly, like RACHEL..... & BSB, leave me alone>>You weren't part of this discussion>>I'll see you elsewhere Fisherman..>Don't go & steal my thunder......LMAO........