11/16/2010 4:28PM

Top 2yo Route Beyers, Goldikova, Questions


Let's get to your questions.

p.s. While I might not have chosen to be quite as in-your-face about it as Alan Shuback (http://www.drf.com/news/goldikova-rules-world), I have to admit I've felt Goldikova has been getting the short-shrift amid all the bluster about HOY. Not suggesting she should win the U.S,-based Eclipse based on one U.S. race, but she HAS to be mentioned in the same breath as Zenyatta when it comes to discussions about the best fillies and mares of this or any era. Has any other FM compiled the record she has against G1 males in recent or distant memory?

Goldikova's latest victory in the Breeders' Cup Mile was her eighth Grade/Group 1 win against males ('08 Prix du Moulin, '08 BC Mile, '09 Prix Jacques le Marois, '09 BC Mile, '10 Prix d'Ispahan, '10 Queen Anne, '10 Prix de la Foret, '10 BC Mile).

That surpasses the great Miesque, who defeated males seven times in Grade/Group 1 races ('86 Prix de la Salamandre, '87 Prix Jacques le Marois, '87 Prix du Moulin, '87 BC Mile, '88 Prix d'Ispahan, '88 Prix Jacques le Marois, '88 BC Mile).

Consider that  All Along (Horse of the Year 1983) won only four Grade/Group 1 races against males ('83 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, '83 Rothmans International, '83 Turf Classic, '83 D.C. International), and that Ouija Board, one of the top filly and mare turf runners in the last 20 years, only defeated males in Group 1 company twice ('05 Hong Kong Vase, '06 Prince of Wales's).  That makes Goldikova's accomplishments look even better.


Would you be able to post the PPs of some of my old favorites: Desert Stormer, Sensitive Prince, Dark Secret, King's Swan, Bald Eagle, and Very Subtle, Thanks!

Bald Eagle's past performances are in a separate file at the bottom of this blog post.  The others, minus Dark Secret (who is a bit too old for my system) are grouped together in another file.


Dan, would love to see mossflowers pps if possible.
p ensign

Mossflower's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.


So, Dan, can you please post the PPs of Badge of Silver.
jim tully

They're at the bottom of this blog post.


When did Corey Nakatani actually become a jockey again??? He is actually riding pretty well and winning some races. Been about what? 5 years since he has ridden this well?

Here are Nakatani's statistics over the last few years:

2010:  578-95-87-71, 16% winners, 43% ITM, $1.83 ROI
2009:  405-38-56-58, 9% winners, 37% ITM, $1.14 ROI
2008:  422-46-61-57, 10% winners, 38% ITM, $1.21 ROI
2007:  811-116-99-83, 14% winners, 36% ITM, $1.45 ROI
2006:  735-145-117-109, 19% winners, 50% ITM, $1.75 ROI
2005:  771-142-144-98, 18% winners, 49% ITM, $1.85 ROI

I'm guessing his recent resurgence is due to a combination of opportunity and being healthy.  Nakatani could always ride.  Lifetime, he's at 16% winners with 45% in the money.  Toss out the down years of 2008 and 2009 and he's very steady.

There was a St. Liam colt who won by 13 1/4 lengths at Mountaineer last night and looked good doing it. Does anyone know what Beyer he received for the race?
Mike Perry

Bless Me Father won his maiden in his fifth lifetime start with a career-best Beyer of 69.


OK, Dan, I'm usually with you on most things, but did you seriously inject Tiznow into the "greatest of all time" discussion or were you just talking about BC Classic winners?

I'm certainly not insinuating that he is one of the "greatest that ever lived," but you can't deny his accomplishments on the track.  He won two straight Breeders' Cup Classics, the Big 'Cap, the Super Derby (when it was still a Grade 1), and put up some big numbers (119 top, 115 or more three times).  Sure, he lost his share, but Tiznow showed up when it mattered, and has to be considered one of the better handicap horses we've seen in recent years.

I agree with you in that it's very, very difficult to compare horses from different years.  Thus, Zenyatta can only be measured by her merits on the track instead of in mythical matchups.


I know it's probably too early to start thinking about the Kentucky Derby, but here are top 10 winning main track route Beyers earned by juveniles in 2010:

1. Uncle Mo (108 - Breeders' Cup Juvenile)
2. To Honor and Serve (97 - Nashua)
3. Buffum (96 - Maiden Special Weight - Belmont)
4. Comma to the Top (95 - Real Quiet)
4. To Honor and Serve (95 - Maiden Special Weight - Belmont)
6. Uncle Mo (94 - Champagne)
7. Wyomia (91 - Mazarine)
8. Jaycito (88 - Norfolk)
9. Awesome Feather (87 - Florida Stallion Stakes, My Dear Girl)
9. Royal Delta (87 - Maiden Special Weight - Belmont)


I have been looking over the entries for this weeks contest and have settled on the 9th race at Churchill Downs on Thursday (11/18). It is an Allowance at 1 1/2 miles on the turf with 9 entrants.
Dick W

Congrats to Dick W for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise.  This week's race will be the ninth at Churchill Downs on Thursday.


Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog. In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

Best of luck to all.



Bald Eagle.pdf69.15 KB
Stakes horses.pdf77.75 KB
Mossflower.pdf52.21 KB
Badge of Silver.pdf56.18 KB
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M D More than 1 year ago
Dan can I get pp's for velvet blue & both ends burning? Velvet blue was a horse that Tony Diaz got caught with A buzzer after the race @ bay meadows. Would u know where I can watch the video of both ends burning winning the oak tree Invitational in 1984 with r baze up. Trevor Denman had a great call of that race. Thanks
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Blackseabass Zenyatta - Rock Hard Ten ( if and when) ...a bit obvious but how about TENYATTA . I always like these subjective name games :)
Barbara P More than 1 year ago
HG 211 I'll go with the obvious chalk, Harrods Creek-- in his last race ran well to be second at this track and distance, and in that rate beat Bucheron by only 3/4 lengths. ( Homeister rides this time.) The #2 Kabob, was running well on the turf in California, for Mike Puype, and ran well on the turf for new trainer at CD in June, closing well to be 3rd both times. William Helenbrecht is a 20% turf trainer. I see Kabob was beat by Carnival Ride last out so I guess I'll include him, too. $20 tri 4.8/4,8/2,7 $5 tri 4,8,/2,7/4,8 Good luck to all, Barbara
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Greg C Good luck with Unbridled Saint. I've added him to my horse watch list. I like to live vicariously through those who have horses here :) Blue Horseshoe ..I've meant to give you a shout out, I saw that Thundering Roar won last week. Congratulations! BTW...nice win by Eminent Tale at Aqueduct yesterday by 7 lengths in the 100K NY Stallion Stakes. Lot's of nice posts these last few days, I love this crowd :) Note to TBTA...Your reservation at Chez SR Vegas has been confirmed. See you soon !
JIMPEREGOY More than 1 year ago
HG 211 Some do not meet my standard for using on top: 1-Shakeygooovething has an 8% trainer and has never won a turf race. 2-Kabob is 1 for 18, lifetime. 3-Ethical Lawyer is a slow Maiden. 7-Carnival Ride is 1 for 15 and has no turf wins. 9-Cursesandblessings has a 5% rider. The rest may be used on top in any wagers. 4-Harrods Creek has good connections and a 2nd at this distance. Likely favorite. 5-Slammy Boy has not raced since July and has yet to break 80 on the Beyer scale. He is working well. 8-Bucheron has good connections and may be as good as the #4 horse. $10.00 Trifecta Box # 4,5,8 = $60.00 $5.00 Trifecta # 4,8 WT # 4,8 WT # 1,2,4,5,7,8 =$40.00
Bear More than 1 year ago
HG 211 The #2 and #7 look to me to be equal and the same for the #4 and #8. I'm not sure which pair is best so I'm going to box them all in the Super. $4 Super Box 2-4-7-8 $1 Tri 4-8-2 $1 Tri 4-8-7 $1 Tri 7-2-4 $1 Tri 7-2-8
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
HGchurchill ninth with the scratch of Legadami I will go with #4 Harrods Creek to win with #7 for the place and #2 and 8 to show exacta key #4 over 278 straight for $96.00 with $4.00 to win on #4
blackstone More than 1 year ago
HG 211-Revision due to #6 scratching (sorry Tencent) The bet: $100 straight exacta-#8 to #4 Reasons given in the earlier post. Don't have time to try and win the Contest at this point, so I'll just take the "easy" exacta. Rats. good luck to all of you.
jerrry More than 1 year ago
HG 211 $25 super 4,7/4,7/5,9/5,9 good luck..
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
HG211 second times the charm for #4 . #6 will take the place with #7 for show. exacta box #467 for $96.00 and $4.00 to win on ledadami. good luck