11/23/2010 6:19PM

Tons to Cover!


Let's get to your questions.

First of all, do you know if Musket Man is gonna be running again next yr? Secondly, other than the current 3 yr olds that Watchmaker mentions are there any that may run again next yr that you are looking forward to see?? How about the top 3 yr old fillies from this year (blind luck, havre de grace, devil may care)? are any of them returning? Finally, any word on the top 3 yr old sprinter from this year (discreetly mine) who was injured after the kings bishop i believe. Will he return in 2011 to sprint or has he been retired.
eric t.

I haven't heard of any retirement plans concerning Musket Man so I assume he's currently a go for 2011.  Todd Pletcher hopes to have Discreetly Mine and Devil May Care back in training at Palm Meadows early next year. 

Blind Luck may run in the La Brea Stakes next month and she should perform in the La Canada series in Southern California for four-year-old fillies.  Havre de Grace is expected to run at Oaklawn next year for new trainer Larry Jones. 

As for three-year-olds that I'd like to see on the track next year, Fly Down and Morning Line are two obvious ones for trainer Nick Zito along with Apart for Al Stall  Steve Asmussen's Rule by Night was an impressive winner of the Groovy Stakes at six furlongs at Aqueduct on November 21, and may turn into a good sprinter next season.  The New York-breds Stormy's Majesty and Friend Or Foe have talent.  Watch out for Noble's Promise as he continues his return from injury, Smiling Tiger and Wise Dan in sprints, Paddy O'Prado on turf, and Richard Dutrow Jr.'s Trickmeister...if he ever returns to the work tab.  Toss in Admiral Alex and there are some promising runners out there.


Dan can I get pp's for velvet blue & both ends burning?
Velvet blue was a horse that Tony Diaz got caught with
A buzzer after the race @ bay meadows. Would u know where
I can watch the video of both ends burning winning the oak tree
Invitational in 1984 with r baze up. Trevor Denman had a great
call of that race. Thanks

I couldn't find a video of the 1984 Oak Tree Invitational, but the past performances you requested are available at the end of this blog posting.


Dan. there was a horse in the 70s by the name ,, Break Up The Game do you have any pps please! thanks!

His past performances are available at the end of this blog posting.


dan, could you please post the winning post positions from this yrs. saratoga meet. also we have synth /turf turf/synth stats but howcome no dirt/synth synth/dirt trainer stats , i could really use this info especially for the upcoming meet @ santa anita. also wanna say really like the vids with you & mike beers & throwing harvey into the mix was great... i really miss the old days @ the spa waiting for the little bespeckled man in the bright red jacket to take the mic & start "talking horses"

Here are the post position statistics from this past Saratoga meet:

Dirt Sprints:  

1. 24-169 (14%)  
2. 22-169 (13%)  
3. 28-169 (17%)  
4. 20-168 (12%)  
5. 14-166 (8%)  
6. 15-157 (10%)  
7. 18-136 (13%)  
8. 14-93 (15%)  
9. 10-63 (16%)  
10. 1-29 (3%)
11. 2-12 (17%) 
12. 1-3 (33%)
13. 0-3 (0%)
14. 0-2 (0%)

Dirt Routes:

1. 8-34 (24%)
2. 6-34 (18%)
3. 5-34 (15%)
4. 3-33 (9%)
5. 7-32 (22%)
6. 2-25 (8%)
7. 1-12 (8%)
8. 2-8 (25%)
9. 0-5 (0%)
10. 0-2 (0%)
11. 0-1 (0%)

Mellon Turf Sprints: 

1. 2-45 (4%) 
2. 10-45 (22%)  
3. 4-45 (9%)  
4. 5-45 (11%)  
5. 6-45 (13%) 
6. 4-45 (9%)  
7. 4-45 (9%) 
8. 3-42 (7%)  
9. 2-33 (6%)  
10. 5-21 (24%)  
11. 0-3 (0%)  
12. 0-1 (0%)  

Mellon Turf Routes: 

1. 8-50 (16%)  
2. 5-50 (10%) 
3. 7-50 (14%)  
4. 5-50 (10%)  
5. 4-50 (8%) 
6. 4-50 (8%)  
7. 9-47 (19%) 
8. 3-44 (7%)  
9. 3-40 (8%)
10. 0-31 (0%)  
11. 1-13 (8%)  
12. 1-7 (14%)  

Inner Turf Routes:

1. 6-92 (7%)
2. 10-92 (11%)
3. 8-92 (8%)
4. 9-92 (10%)
5. 14-92 (15%)
6. 14-91 (15%)
7. 5-90 (6%)
8. 10-84 (12%)
9. 11-64 (17%)
10. 6-38 (16%)
11. 0-9 (0%)
12. 0-4 (0%)

I'm not sure about the paper, but the Formulator program has the following trainer stats:

Inner Dirt
First Time Turf
Off The Turf
Dirt To Turf
Turf to Dirt
First Time Synthetic
Dirt to Synthetic
Synthetic to Dirt
Turf to Synthetic
Synthetic to Turf


...Forget those for a second... what if we just go back 5 years or so... would Zenyatta be able to nip Ghostzapper at the wire? Would she fall just a little short? Would she blow by him? Or would she never even get close to him? 
The question is, what does your gut feeling about this hypothetical matchup say about each horse's place on the all-time greatest list? Or does it not say much of anything? Maybe a little of both? I'd say the last option is probably true... and I admit that's the weakest stance one could take.

A discussion concerning a hypothetical matchup between two horses from different eras or years makes for fun bar-room banter, but I don't think it means anything in terms of an all-time ranking.

Who was better?  Zenyatta or Ghostzapper?  What's the distance?  What are the weights?  What's the pace involved?  Who else is in the race?  Is it a match race?  Is the track wet?  Sealed?  Biased?  With horses of similar quality, different circumstances will lead to different results.  Do I think Zenyatta would beat Ghostzapper 10 out of 10?  Hardly.  Do I think Ghostzapper would run Zenyatta off her feet?  Perhaps in some situations, but certainly not in every instance. 

If we run the race under different scenarios, we may have different winners.  How, realistically, can we compare those horses to Citation, Man o'War, or Spectacular Bid?  We can't.  All we have are our opinions, our gut feelings of which champion is better.  Not surprisingly, there will never be a consensus as to who the "very best" is/was. 

Sunday Silence bested Easy Goer three out of four times.  Affirmed won the majority of his races over Alydar.  Yet, there are fervent believers out there that swear Easy Goer and Alydar were the "better" horse.  If there's no agreement on the better horse when two runners faced off time and time again, how can we compare horses that never competed against each other?


thanks for Mossflower, Dan.
I've been trying to remember the name of another fast filly that Shosberg trained some time ago, probably a 7 furlong specialist, could have been early 90s. Might not have been too sturdy, but was one of the best tryers I've ever seen.
I've tried to search for something like a lifetime stable of his, but haven't gotten anywhere. Do you have any idea of how to search for all the horses a trainer has cared for? (I'd know her name as soon as I saw it.)

Dan, if possible, would love to see that hard-hitting senior citizen's lifetime pps, thanks
p ensign

Formulator lists all of a trainer's starters over the past five years.  Before that time period, it could get somewhat complicated.  Here's a bio on Schosberg from the Breeders' Cup site that lists some of his better-known runners.


The past performances for Coach Jimi Lee are available at the bottom of this blog posting.


We have a 2 yr old running thursday, 9th race at FairGrounds. Goodifitgoes. Please let us know your thoughts on the race.

First of all, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you get into the winner's circle. 

Although none of these babies have  reached the 65 Beyer par as of yet, I feel that this may be a pretty deep statebred maiden special weight. 
Rocco Tiger looms the horse to beat based on his runner-up effort at 3-5 odds at Delta on October 27.
Harrie (second-time starter, first-time blinkers) may improve after chasing next-out 92 Beyer winner Su Casa G Casa (won Kip Deville Stakes at Remington on October 8) at Louisiana Downs. 
Blackntansatlarrys shows some solid workouts for Morris Nicks, and Ryanide may be a value play for trainer Patrick Ladner.
It looks like a contentious race.  We'll be rooting for you and Goodifitgoes, who ran a nice race first-out on May 22.


Any comments from Baffert on his maiden winner Coil. Beyer good? Doesn't Uncle Mo's beyer in the bc match street sense's from his 2yo score in the bc?

Coil, privately-purchased from Glen Hill Farm after a third-place finish in his career debut, won impressively for Baffert in a six-furlong maiden special weight at Hollywood on November 13.  By Preakness and Belmont winner Point Given out of a half-sister to Possibly Perfect (won six Grade 1 turf routes), he is certainly bred to handle additional distance, and the connections do have high hopes for him next year.  He earned a 78 Beyer when winning his maiden.

The 108 earned by Uncle Mo in the Juvenile is equal to Street Sense's number.  War Pass (113) has the record for BC Juvenile winners (since 1991).


LSD , can you post the PP's of Bold Chieftain and Go Between please. If so thanks in advance and good luck to you this weekend.
cheers BSB

They're at the bottom of this blog posting.


Dan, my favorite claiming horse of all time is Sing Because. He ran in and won his last career race on my birthday....and I think he was 10 years old!
Could I see the PP's for Sing Because? It would mean a lot.

Sing Because's past performances are at the bottom of the blog posting.


Hi Dan,
Always a pleasure to read your articles in DRF. I was talking with a few racetrackers recently and I'm wondering if you could post lifetime pp's for 3 amazing Michael Dickinson horses...Cetewayo, Da Hoss and Business is Booming. I was telling the group about how Cetewayo was I believe claimed for 12k and went on to become a Grade 1 winner and millionaire. How Da Hoss came back to win back to back BC Turfs with I believe no prep race or one prep race. Business is Booming I believe was off 4 years and came back to win 5 straight off the shelf. Just amazing stories!
Thanks Greg

Mr. Dickinson's star horses are available at the bottom of the blog post. 


Since we have all these congrats juveniles winning can we see Congrats lifetime PP's along with Lookin at Lucky.

They're at the bottom of today's post.


Waiting for Gordon P to select this week's HandiGambling race.  I suggest something over the weekend.



VelvetBurning.pdf68.55 KB
Break Up The Game.pdf41.88 KB
Coach Jimi Lee.pdf72.16 KB
GoBold.pdf73.34 KB
Sing Because.pdf62.95 KB
Dickinson.pdf76.38 KB
CongratsLucky.pdf75.56 KB