01/15/2010 6:29PM

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Here are the latest Kentucky Derby Futures from Lucky's Las Vegas:

Download LUCKY'SDERBYODDSJAN10

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Speaking of the Derby Trail (Cliff's Edge), what ever happened to Hull?
Kat

I wrote the good folks at Team Valor a note and Barry Irwin graciously sent me this update on last year's Derby Trial hero:

"Hi, Dan.
Hull suffered from bone bruising last season after his weaker than expected run in the race on the Belmont undercard.
He was sent to KESMARC (Kentucky Equine Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation Center) for several months.
The colt returned to training in late November. We hope to have him ready for a run towards the end of the Fair Grounds meet and ready for his first true test at 4 during Kentucky Derby week at Churchill Downs.
He is training with Dale Romans at Fair Grounds and is galloping at present.
Best regards,
Barry"

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In sadly noting that my horse-to-watch DISCONTENT had to be euthanized after suffering an injury on Sunday, I wondered if anyone knows what happened to either GO SMARTY GO or SPRINGSIDE, both of whom showed promise last year before being severely injured (the former was 1-1 lifetime and the latter broke down galloping out after winning the '08 Demoiselle). Did either survive?
Kyri

I believe that both horses survived their injuries.  I found this tidbit on Go Smarty Go at the following link:

https://www.purethoughtshorserescue.com/ottbdivision/gosmartygo.php

Both horses can be found on the "retired" section of our Disabled List, located on the right hand side of the blog.  The FormBlog Disabled List (2008-2010) features over 1800 names of horses that are either currently injured, retired, deceased, or horses that have returned from injury to race again. 

The progress of injured horses still in training (color-coded red) can be followed on the Disabled List as workouts and future racing goals are updated.

Horses listed under "Deletions" (color-coded green) are runners that have returned from injury to race again.  You can access the results of their first race back on the Disabled List.

Retired horses are color-coded blue while Deceased thoroughbreds are color-coded yellow.  Horses that are color-coded brown are unaccounted for at the current time.

The best way to search the disabled list is to do a "Find" (either Control-F or Apple-F), and type the name of the runner you're looking for. 


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I was wondering if you could please post the PP's of the greatest Nebraska bred of all time: Who Doctor Who
Thanks
Karl

Here's what I have for Who Doctor Who:

Download Who Doctor Who

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i got him both times and have made this horse my longshot Derby horse but worried about the pedigree and getting the 1 1/4. although he is borderline 3 on the doasge and has classic pedigree more son on the damn side, im still a little concerned..wondering if you have seen the horse and what you think of a derby chance..his name is kettle river.. thanks
angman

Kettle River is by Congaree, a Grade 1 winner at seven furlongs, one mile (twice), 1 1/8 miles, and 1 1/4 miles.  The dam, La Grande Mamma (by Compadre), won the Nandi Stakes over the old Woodbine dirt track going six furlongs. 

Kettle River had worked well leading up to his debut try going six furlongs at Saratoga on August 29.  Ten days before the race, he went .04 faster than Hockley, a Harty-trained, Darley-owned juvenile that had finished ahead of Eightyfiveinafifty and Discreetly Mine when second to subsequent Hopeful winner Dublin at the Spa on August 1. 
Perhaps Kettle River didn't appreciate the wet racetrack that day as he was outrun in the early stages, made a brief rally in upper stretch, and faded during the final eighth behind an impressive Bob Baffert-trained debut winner, Bulldogger. 

Harty shipped Kettle River to Hollywood for a maiden special weight on the grass at 1 1/16 miles, and Kettle River was more aggressive coming out of the gate.  He pressed the 70-1 longshot pacesetter, took over in upper stretch, and kept on in professional manner.  It can be argued that the early fractions weren't very taxing, and the competition wasn't very good, but Kettle River did finish up the right way.

Kettle River tried synthetics for the first time in an entry-level allowance race at Santa Anita on January 6 at 1 1/16 miles.  Like his maiden win, I couldn't find anything wrong with his race.  He professionally rated inside down the backstretch, willingly picked up the loose pacesetter on the turn, and dug in nicely to win. 

It's very hard to discuss the chances of Derby prospects at this time of year, especially ones that have yet to race on fast dirt.  Kettle River may have some distance limitations down the road, but he hasn't shown any fatigue in the stretch of his two-turn races just yet.  He doesn't have much early speed (the only time he was close to the pace was in a race that featured a 49 half mile), and I wonder if he's going to be more of a turf/synthetic horse down the road.  Still, there are certainly worse longshot Derby horses out there.  An interesting sleeper.

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Dan - I see a horse named Black Hills won a stake at Sunland on Saturday.  If memory serves, a horse named Black Hills broke down in the 1959 Belmont (Eddie Arcaro up?) and was euthanized.  Is it acceptable to give a horse the same name as a notable old-timer?  Can a clown name his 2 Y.O. Secretariat or Smarty Jones?  What's the deal?
Zan the Man

From the Jockey Club rulebook:
F. The following classes of names are not eligible for use:
1. Names consisting of more than 18 letters (spaces and punctuation marks count as letters);
2. Names consisting entirely of initials such as C.O.D., F.O.B., etc.;
3. Names ending in "filly," "colt," "stud," "mare," "stallion," or any similar horse-related term;
4. Names consisting entirely of numbers. Numbers above thirty may be used if they are spelled out;
5. Names ending with a numerical designation such as "2nd" or "3rd," whether or not such a designation is spelled out;
6. Names of living persons unless written permission to use their name is on file with The Jockey Club;
7. Names of persons no longer living unless approval is granted by The Jockey Club based upon a satisfactory written explanation submitted to the Registrar;
8. Names of racetracks or graded stakes races;
9. Names clearly having commercial, artistic or creative significance;
10. Names that are suggestive or have a vulgar or obscene meaning; names considered in poor taste; or names that may be offensive to religious, political or ethnic groups;
11. Names that appear to be designed to harass, humiliate or disparage a specific individual, group of individuals or entity;
12. Names that are currently active either in racing or breeding (see Rule6(E));
13. Names of winners in the past 25 years of grade one stakes races;
14. Permanent names. The list of criteria to establish a permanent name is as follows:
a. Horses in racing's Hall of Fame;
b. Horses that have been voted Horse of the Year;
c. Horses that have won an Eclipse Award;
d. Horses that have won a Sovereign Award (Canadian Champions);
e. Annual leading sire and broodmare sire by progeny earnings;
f. Cumulative money winners of $2 million or more;
g. Horses that have won the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont Stakes, The Jockey Club Gold Cup, the Breeders' Cup Classic or the Breeders' Cup Turf; and
h. Horses included in the International List of Protected Names.
15. Names similar in spelling or pronunciation to the classes of names listed in Rule 6(F) 6 - 14 above.
G. In addition to the provisions of this Rule 6, the Registrar of The Jockey Club reserves the right of approval on all name requests.
David H.

Zan the Man
I noticed in the Hollywood Park workouts listed today:
Silverbulletday (2007) 3F 0:35.20 Handily, it was a bullet work
...and I thought the same, Huh?
Isn't Silverbulletday the Champion 2 yo and 3 yo filly
Inducted in the Hall of Fame in 2009 ?
I'll have to check out the jockeyclub link Ray noted, to see if her name is/was protected.
SR Vegas

Silverbulletday (2007) is the notation for an unnamed work horse.  In a case like this, the horse's workout is recorded under the dam's name followed by the foal's year of birth. The horse that worked 3F in 35.20H at Hollywood Park on January 12 is a three-year-old filly by Elusive Quality out of champion Silverbulletday.

I'm not sure whether naming another Black Hills is completely appropriate but it's certainly legal and tender when looking at the above rules.

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Who's better?
CIGAR'S pp's to FORMAL GOLD and GHOSTZAPPER
Mickey

You can't really compare them unless they race against one another.  When Cigar was in his absolute prime, it was inconceivable that he could lose.  He was that dominant. 
Ghostzapper didn't have the longevity of Cigar, but his brilliance and versatility were out of this world. Formal Gold, on his best day, was one of the fastest horses we've seen in the last 20 years.


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Dan, will you post Cigar's 16 race win streak Beyers alongside the Beyers earned from the same races in 1997?  I don't think a 16 race steak would have been possible for any horse if they had to run in 1997.  Will you also post the Beyers from G1 main track races at 1 and 1/8 miles or more run in 1997?
Captain Bodgit


Cigar's Streak:

1.  'n2x' Aqueduct - 104
2.  NYRA Mile - 115
3.  'n4x' Gulfstream - 108
4.  Donn Handicap - 114
5.  Gulfstream Park Handicap - 116
6.  Oaklawn Handicap - 121
7.  Pimlico Special - 114
8.  Massachusetts Handicap - 117
9.  Hollywood Gold Cup - 118
10. Woodward Stakes - 111
11. Jockey Club Gold Cup - 111
12. Breeders Cup Classic - 117
13. Donn Handicap - 117
14. Dubai World Cup (N/A)
15. Massachusetts Handicap - 112
16. Citation Challenge - 117

Comparable Races from 1997:

1.  N/A
2.  109
3.  N/A
4.  114
5.  118
6.  114
7.  126
8.  122
9.  121
10. 125
11. 116
12. 120
13. See #4
14. N/A
15. See #8
16. N/A


1997 Grade 1 Dirt Beyers 1 1/8 miles and up (100 and up):

Whitney - 126
Pimlico Special - 126
Woodward - 125
Pacific Classic - 121
Hollywood Gold Cup - 121
Santa Anita Handicap - 120
Breeders' Cup Classic - 120
Gulfstream Park Handicap - 118
Preakness - 118
Jockey Club Gold Cup - 116
Kentucky Derby - 115
Haskell - 114
Oaklawn - 114
Donn - 114
Super Derby - 111
Santa Anita Derby - 110
Belmont - 110
Vanity - 110
Travers - 110
Strub - 108
Breeders' Cup Distaff - 108
Alabama - 107
John A. Morris - 105
Go for Wand - 105
Beldame - 105
Florida Derby - 104
Kentucky Oaks - 104
Coaching Club American Oaks - 102
Santa Margarita - 102
Mother Goose - 101


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Interesting price for Bon Jovi Girl at auction.  Could you put up the PP's for her and also some bloodline info,  just so we can see what a million $$ will get you these days, 
thanks Dan Da Man.
primo


Here are here lifetime past performances:

Download Bon Jovi Girl

The fascinating thing about Bon Jovi Girl is that she has never raced on grass despite being a half-sister to Gio Ponti (four Grade 1 wins between one mile and 10 furlongs on turf in 2010).  Her three-quarter brother,  Fisher Pond, won the off-the-turf Lawrence Realization Handicap at 12 furlongs. 
Bon Jovi Girl's dam earned her blacktype when third in the Azalea Handicap going one mile on turf at Remington Park.  The second dam, Salt Spring (by Salt Marsh), won the Grade 3 Yerba Buena Handicap at 1 1/2 miles on grass. 
While she has certainly run well on the main track, expect Bon Jovi Girl to race on grass as she has been turned over to trainer Bill Mott.

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Dan,
Alexander DeRosa won the 8th at Aqueduct today (an N1x) with Sawtooth Mountain, in what appeared to be his very first race as a trainer (he claimed the horse from Pletcher for $25k).
Do you know how many times that has happened - a trainer winning his debut?
Thanks,
Brian

This was DeRosa's first starter since 2003.  He had 38 starts that year.  I'm not sure how many times a new trainer won his very first start.

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Dan
If you wouldn't mind, I would like to hear your reasoning for your HG wager yesterday.  You someimes will make a WP wager on your pick: yesterday, of course, you scrapped the place bet and replaced it with three exactas-your prime pick in the two hole on each one.  I'm curious why you selected this method over a WP wager
Question for bloggers, or Dan:
Peppi Knows, my magical MKB horse, has three different trainers in three different states.  Why would that be?  Is it because each of them has a license for only one state? 
blackstone

I don't think I was doing anything especially clever.  I essentially traded in the place saver bet with the multiple exactas using the "Key" in the second spot.  I thought it was a pretty contentious race and, with a price horse on top, figured there could be some value in the exotics.  Since I was willing to include four horses with the key, I figured to go for the exacta.  I felt I had enough coverage.  If one of the also-rans I didn't like won, I felt I didn't deserve to cash. 
Of course, the point became moot when the key ran evenly. 

Peppi Knows had all kinds of licensing issues the last time he was scheduled to race in New York.  The trainer of record at that time, Tim Kreiser, failed to purchase workers' compensation by race day. 

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Hi Dan.  just one question.
Is the trainer at Gulfstream
park Laura Posada, Jorge Posada's wife?
Henry B

New York Yankee Jorge Posada's wife's name is Laura Posada, but it's not the trainer.

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Some quick picks this weekend:

Evening Attire (Aqu):  Well Positioned (chalk city)
San Fernando (SA):  Rendezvous
Marshuas River (GP):  Lomaki

More importantly, who do you like this weekend?  I want to know.

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Back Tuesday with more.

Enjoy the weekend.

Dan