08/17/2010 1:17PM

Questions, Past Performance Requests

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Let's get to some of your questions and comments.

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Dan, a question for You. i noticed Dave Litfin's Video "plays of the Day" from Saratoga are available on You-Tube, but your Weekend Reviews with Mike Beers & The King, Harvey Pack, are not. Reasoning why? If they are on You-Tube, i can easily "share" them with various social media nationally, where if i link your segments from DRF site, all the Header reads is "Log In To DRF.com", and folks browsing sites can't see You, Mike, & Harvey (which is the selling point!). Could you get DRF to post your segments on YT? Thanks, Bob

Hi Bob,

Thanks for watching. The segment sometimes goes over ten minutes and, from what I understand, that's the time limit that we have for putting up youtube videos. We'll try to limit the video to ten minutes of content, but I can't make any promises (I want Harvey to talk as much as possible!). He really is the most entertaining personality in racing and I greatly enjoy doing those segments with him.  Hopefully, the viewers enjoy the segments as much as we enjoy producing them.

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Dan,
I'm shipping back up to Binghamton in a week and had the neat idea to decorate my room with PP's of some of my favorite racehorses. If it's too many, feel free to omit some of them.
Funny Cide
Ghostzapper
Smarty Jones
Ready's Image
Curlin
Lava Man
Wasted Tears
Commentator
Sunriver
Rachel Alexandra
Presious Passion
Straight Story
Big Brown
East coast bias much?
TheVanGogh

The past performances are available on the bottom of this blog post.

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PGM, Steve Taylor, chicago gerry and others have done a wonderful job in organizing the FormBlog convention at Arlington Park on September 11 and 12. I'm really looking forward to meeting anyone that makes the trip. For more information, head on over to

http://ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com/TC2010.html

Questions? Want to Reserve? E-mail

formblogconvention@gmail.com

There will be a handicapping contest at Arlington on Saturday and the FormBloggers are encouraged to participate. For more information on the contest, head over to this webpage:

http://arlingtonpark.com/calendar/arlington-handicapping-challenge-15

Saturday's Arlington card will feature the Arlington-Washington Futurity and the Arlington-Washington Lassie and the track will host their "Celtic Celebration" event on Sunday.

Should be great fun.

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Dan,
Hope you can help me with a question. About two years ago I saw in Del Mar a colt named Majormotionpicture who looked like he was going to be a superstar. I have not heard anything about him since. Any news?
Tx
Ivan

After winning his career debut, Majormotionpicture reportedly had all sorts of physical problems towards the end of 2008. His trainer, Mike Machowsky, noted that he suffered from a right front foot abscess and was "jarred up behind." He returned to the races on July 25, 2009, but could only finish fourth in an entry-level allowance at Del Mar. After a few more works that summer, he was laid up again.  He shows a workout on March 21, 2010 followed by nothing. Haven't heard anything recently so I'll have to assume he's out of training again.


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Hi Dan,
Can you post the pps to the 2003 Breeders cup classic? Blame and Quality Road remind me of Pleasantly Perfect and Medaglia d'Oro. I want to see if there is any merit, and I was also curious to see who else they were up against as hopefully we will see Zenyatta and Rachel make it there in good condition
Alejo

The past performances for the 2003 BC Classic are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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WAS THINKING A BIT ABOUT THE LAST THURSDAY'S HG EXERCISE.
MY RECOLLECTION IS THE WINNER, HERITAGE HALL, WON THE STATER ALLOWANCE AFTER STARTING FOR AND WINNING A $10,000 CLAIMING RACE.

I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION AT HAND, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THIS RUNNER WAS A COLT AND HAD BEEN PURCHASED FOR $800,000.
IN YOUR OPINION:
HOW DOES A RUNNER LIKE THIS GET ENTERED IN A $10,000 CLAIMER IN THE FIRST PLACE?
HOW DOES A RUNNER LIKE THIS WITH AN $800,000 PRICE TAG, NOT GET CLAIMED OUT OF A RACE WHICH IT WON, AND WENT ON TO WIN ITS NEXT RACE, A STARTER ALWANCE?
WHY WOULDN'T THE ORIIGINAL OWNERS, JUST KEEP THIS GUY (UNBRIDLED'S SONG) FOR STUD PURPOSES?
DAN,
ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT HERITAGE HALL.
LETS SAY FOR EXAMPLE HERITAGE HALL HAD BEEN CLAIMED FOR $10,000. WHO EATS THE $800,000 THAT WAS INVESTED. I MEAN, IS ANY PART OF THE INVESTMENT COVERED BY INSURANCE?
I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS END OF THIS TYPE OF THING, BUT I JUST DON'T GET IT.
chicago gerry

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Hi gerry,

1). The form from the debut was so poor that the connections probably didn't expect a claim (even for $10,000) as most potential buyers would see the price tag, the drop in class, and the layoff, and assume that the horse had physical problems. Also, it's quite possible that they didn't expect the horse to improve so drastically.

2) Owners are either looking to win races, hope their horses are claimed in order to recoup some of their original investment, or both. That's why high-priced auction horses are entered for a tag.

3) Perhaps the horse is finally physically sound and ready to run to his potential. Also, it was clever placement by the connections. They didn't put him in a tougher allowance race, but had him eligible to race in a starter allowance without the pressure of losing him via a claim.

4) The stud market is so competitive and the economy is so poor that a horse has to really distinguish himself with pedigree and/or performance before he can make a mark in the breeding shed.

5) I'm guessing the purchase price wasn't covered by insurance, but am not 100% sure.

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Dan, could you please post the pp's for the horse holditholditholdit. thanks
addc26

The past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.


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Dan--So, is the new track record that Sydney's Candy set 1:39.52, or 1:39 2/5? The DRF chart of the race lists the track record in parentheses as the latter, so is the DRF still musing fifths of a second as the standard for record keeping? Thanks.
e_s

The track record is now 1:39.52 or 1:39 2/5. For the past performance data, it will be mentioned in fifths of a second, but for a horse to break Sidney's Candy's track record, he will have to top 1:39.52. I believe the previous track record was 1:39 3/5.

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Hi Dan - Love the new site. With all of the talk about horses that aren't getting HOF nods, it brought back some memories of great turf horses of the 90's. Is there any chance of getting the PP's for Lure, With Approval and Sky Classic?
Lure92

The past performances are available on the bottom of this blog post.

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Congrats to Steve Taylor for finishing first in out last HandiGamling exercise (way to nip me out of a winning ticket with a flying horse in the final strides, Steve!). He selects Friday's fifth race at Arlington for this week's challenge.

The past performances are available on the bottom of this blog post.

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog. In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.


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Back next time with the top Beyers from last week as well as the HG analysis.

Best,

Dan
 

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Phil Shain More than 1 year ago
Dan: I really enjoy reading your column and I have a special request: Could you please post a link to the PP's of 1983 Champion Sprinter Chinook Pass? After 48 years (and counting) I've seen a lot of great horses and great races, but I've never seen a faster horse than Chinook. He was so fast out of the gate (21 flat, 21 1/5) that he was often 5 lengths ahead after a 1/4 mile. I was at Longacres when he set the World Record for 5 furlongs on dirt (which still stands) and he was hand-ridden to the wire. Dr. Fager couldn't have caught him that day........ Thanks for all of your terrific work on DRF! With kind regards, Phil
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Enough w/ Sidney's Candy, already, and his 102 Beyer. & all this Oscar Mayer Baloney, East Coast bias...Remember, this is the same Sidney's Candy, who in one of the slowest Kentucky Derby's in history, folded like a cheap suit, & finished some 57 lengths behind a field of suspect horses, w/o any apparent excuses, except for the fact it was DIRT.......& sloppy for all the runners..I suggest one google Beyer Figs, or look it up here, on the DRF.......or better yet, go to the archives & see how the honorable "C", {our long lost formblogger, LOL..}, has explained it many, many times... Happy learning lesson........
meadowlake59 More than 1 year ago
Looking forward to a big day at AP this Saturday. Last year, Million Day was almost a total bust--tried to beat Gio Ponti and tore up a lot of tickets--except for the final Pick 3 when Yanez's 20-something shot turned a terribly frustrating day into a very profitable one. That's handicapping : ) HG 199 While the 4 has the speed and the numbers, I'm not convinced this is his best distance. I'll use him in third. Back when I first started coming to AP, any horse with Earlie Fires was considered a few lengths better on the turf (#10-Bobby Sands). His turf race two back was very good, against tougher and the slop race at Hoosier was not all that bad. The numbers are certainly competitive--he's on top. In second I really want to like Steven Taylor's horse, the 6 (see Annie above). The dam is/was one of my all-time favorites, and the turf breeding is top-notch (50k!) but other than the 4, there is not enough speed; though his win in the last was certainly into slow fractions. Oh what the heck, I might get 20-1, he stays. I'll also throw in the 8. I like just about any horse with Graham on it these days, especially on the grass and this one really moved up in his last over this course. Finally, the 2 has three very nice turf tries--throw out the one four back; much tougher company, on a yielding course he obviously didn't care for, and the winner came right back with another victory. Here's the play--it's unorthodox but it has produced in the past: $20 Tri Wheel-- 10/6,4,8/2 = $60 $3 Tri Wheel-- 6,4,2/10,2/6,4,2 = $36 (what if?) $2 Super Wheel -- 10/8,2/8,2/4 = $4 See you at the Million!!! Good Luck and Good Racing!!!
PGM More than 1 year ago
Meadowlake59, As a fellow local FormBlogger, let me extend an invite to the FormBlog Convention, to take place at Arlington on September 11 and 12. You can check out the information page at Iron Maidens (there is a link) from the home site). Questions or reservations can be e-mailed to formblogconvention@gmail.com We have free admission, a Winners' Circle presentation, the presence of Dan as an honored guest, a handicapping contest, and not a captcha within miles.
Van Savant More than 1 year ago
HandiGambling 199 This race won’t get any of my real money, but for HandiGambling, I am going to use MINING FOR SILVER (#8), as I believe his recent form is enough to get this done. The quick turnaround into this race is also a good sign. SERENGETI TOUR (#2) also has the look of a decent closer at this class level. The pace should be solid, and that is a plus. BOBBY SANDS (#10) may be part of the pace scenario, but he also can hang on for a slice. THAT I AM (#6) is another who will benefit from a hot pace. My play: $5 Exacta box – 3,6,8,10 ($60) $1 Trifecta box – 3,6,8,10 ($24) $16 to Win on the 8 ($16) Thanks for all that you do Sheriff Illman. You too cayman.
AnneM More than 1 year ago
Can someone give me a rational explanation as to why Blind Luck is not the morning line favorite for the Alabama as she is clearly the most accomplished filly? Is it the East Coast bias rearing its ugly head again?
Kyri Freeman More than 1 year ago
Anne, Yeah. I think the reason is that Blind Luck, as a deep closer, is trip and pace dependent, whereas Devil May Care has positional speed; also, partly because of her running style, Luck tends to win narrowly whereas Devil has been blowing away her fields while appearing nowhere near fully extended. I have a bias for Devil because I picked her out of the Keeneland yearling sale as a horse to watch, but really they are both very talented fillies. And hey, if you like Luck and the odds are longer than you think they should be, it just makes her a better bet...
JIMPEREGOY More than 1 year ago
HG 199 I am sure that someone thought it would be fun to match legendary riders versus current riders in this very annoying race to handicap. I hope that none are injured trying to prove themselves versus the current jocks. Inez Karlsson can, really, ride. However, taking 2-1 or less for a horse who is 0 for 2 on turf and a marginal trainer would not be prudent. 4-Saint Leon to be used, under, only. Taking 10-Bobby Sands at 3-1 with a retired rider and a 6% trainer is, even, less prescient. The same logic applies to 7-Snapphok and his 8% trainer with Cruguet, the 9-Momentarily with his 6% trainer as well as the 6-That I am with Guidry and another 6% trainer. Maybe this Starter Allowance could be called, “Training for Dummies”. I will not use 3-Serengeti Tour on top due to him showing no Beyers above 69 in his PP’s. No one can expect 1a-Heza Harley Man to win after going 2 for 27 in his career and coming off a poor effort versus lesser. We now have three entrants as candidates to win this dismal affair. The 1-Wayoff is usable due to the ridiculous trainer winning rate that is over 40%. Hold your nose when you look at his 0-12 turf record. The 2-Giant Shift has some OK figs and is 3rd race off layoff. He ran with 8-Mining for Silver in his last effort. The 8 will never be 10-1 with his connections and Beyers. I will use the 1-2-8 in some fashion to attempt a HG coup. $5 Triple Box 1-2-8 = $30 $10 Exacta Box 1-2-8 = $60 $10 Exacta 8 over the 4 = $10
crazyhorsemike More than 1 year ago
speed all the way like saint leon with the high beyers if he can run on turf he should win and bobby sands has the great record so ill do 100.00 ex 4-10
David T More than 1 year ago
HG199 (Arlington Park): I'm going against the ML favorite who lacks a decent turf race in the PPs. Giant Shaft (#2) comes off three in-the-money finshes at this level. Serengeti Tour (#3) just missed on the turf two starts back. Mining for Silver (#8) finished third to Giant Shaft last out. My play: $15 Trifecta Box 2, 3, 8 = $90 $10 Win 2 = $10 Best of luck to all.
chris More than 1 year ago
HG199 I like pedigree/effort #2 last out/3rd off layoff/+ jockey change I like jockey change #3 I like turn of foot #7 on 7/19/10 against 2&3 but alittle slow BSF $5 tri 23/78/12347810
Patrick S More than 1 year ago
HG199 Quick one here. Like the 2,1,3,8,10, in that order. With the 2 and 10 being uncoupled, will key around the 2. Finished 2nd and 3rd at this level last two, plus 3rd off layoff. Likely favorite is the 4, but don't like previous turf races, so will leave off entirely, looking for a price. $15 TRI (2/1/3,8,10) $15 TRI (2/3,8,10/1) $10 TRI (2/1/8) GL All!