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More Secretariat clips, HandiGambling past performances
Let's get to your questions, comments, and past performance requests.
Perhaps you can help reader "Glenn Groh" who posted the following question on my blog:
I am confused by the Beyer Ratings. For example in reveiwing his tables for two horses, let's say for sprints, there may be a difference in Beyer ratings of 20 points, say 70 and 50. From the tables that would be a difference of about 1 1/2 lengths at the finish. I would bet that the horse with the lower rating wouldn't be within 1 1/2 lengths of the other in over 95% of all races. So, how reliable are the Beyer ratings, or where am I wrong?
Jay H/Glenn Groh,
According to Beyer Length Adjustment Tables, for two horses to have final Speed Figures 20 points apart in the same sprint race, they must be separated at the finish by:
5f race = 6.5L
5.5f race = 7.25L
6f race = 8L
6.5f race = 9L
Just wondering if you have heard anything on The Pamplemousse?
The Pamplemousse has had a regular diet of workouts. Hopefully we will see him this fall.
09/16/2010 HOL 4F :48.60 All Weather Track Fast H
09/05/2010 DMR 4F :48.40 All Weather Track Fast H
08/29/2010 DMR 4F :49.00 All Weather Track Fast H
08/22/2010 DMR 4F :49.00 All Weather Track Fast H
08/15/2010 DMR 4F :48.60 All Weather Track Fast H
08/08/2010 DMR 3F :36.00 All Weather Track Fast H
08/01/2010 DMR 3F :36.80 All Weather Track Fast H
Julio Canani is taking it nice and easy with The Pamplemousse, a talented, but fragile colt that hasn't raced since popping a 107 Beyer Speed Figure when winning the 2009 Sham Stakes by eight lengths. After that start, Canani found a lesion in a tendon of the left foreleg. The Pamplemousse reportedly had surgery to correct the problem and he worked five furlongs in 1:00.40H at Hollywood on September 23.
If you recall, The Pamplemousse had a very unattractive way of going, paddling badly with his left foreleg, and that may have contributed to his physical problems. While these injuries are always extremely concerning and should be taken on a case-by-case basis, remember that Canani nursed Val Royal back from similar problems in 2001. The Royal Academy colt won the Grade 2 Del Mar Derby on September 6, 1999 before being laid up for almost two years. Three starts into his return, he won the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Mile at Belmont.
Dan, I owned a bunch of horses in 2000-2001. Can I get some PPs. Heavyweight Champ, My Heart's Deelite, Romolo's Fritzi, Brocco Bob, Silver N Satin, Slo Gin Jack and Plato.
The past performances you requested are at the bottom of this blog post.
I won a raffle prize at the Formblog Convention... A "Zippy Chippy" mug...Could you please post the pp's of this infamous under achiever. I was able to see him up close and personal at the Saratoga Blue Thong outing.. when we went to the Old Friends Equine facility there. What a doll! Thanks!
For those who don't know him:
Zippy Chippy's past performances are available at the bottom of the blog post. Note some of the odds in his last few races. Obviously, some people weren't put off by his lifetime record.
Could you post Rock Hard Ten's PP's? I was also wondering what is JP's Gusto BSF was for the Del Mar futurity?
J P's Gusto received an 86 Beyer for his victory in the Del Mar Futurity. Rock Hard Ten's past performances are available at the bottom of the blog post.
Smarty Jones and I went for a 500 mile ride to see Lost in the Fog workout at Santa Rosa one time because I wanted to see Lost in the Fog in the flesh. I think that Frisco Star(102 BSF) had his debut that day at SR, is my memory correct or was that some other frisco that smoked ?
You're right. Frisco Star won his debut on August 6, 2005 at Santa Rosa by 8 1/2 lengths under Russell Baze. He won his next two starts for owner Harry Aleo and trainer Greg Gilchrist before being privately purchased and shipped East. He only went 2 for 9 the rest of his career.
Also, since we're on a Secretariat kick, how about the PP's for Onion and Prove Out? PO in particular ran a race for the ages. His first 6F's went in 1:13 2/5 (including a taxing third quarter of 23 and 2) and he came home in 1:12 2/5. Other than Affirmed and Alydar's Belmont i'm not aware of any 1 1/2M races on dirt where the second 6F's were sustained within a tick or two of a twenty four second quarter pace. The PP's would frame Big Red's performance in his losses, or rather lack it, better.
I know there are limits to what you can access but is there a chance you could post Secretariat's lifetime works? That would be a treat.
Unfortunately, the past performance database I use doesn't have Onion and Prove Out's past performances.
I found some clippings from that magical Triple Crown season from 1973:
Here's Secretariat's work tab from the Bay Shore past performances:
February 28 - Hialeah - 7 furlongs (fast) - 1:23 2/5h
March 7 - Hialeah - 1 mile (fast) - 1:40 3/5h
March 14 - Belmont - 3 furlongs (fast) - 32 3/5h
By Herb Goldstein (March 8, 1973):
Meadow Stable's Secretariat, Horse of the Year 1972, will be flown from Hialeah to New York on Monday along with several others trained by Lucien Laurin and will make his 1973 bow in the $25,000 added Bay Shore Stakes at seven furlongs here on Saturday, March 17, the trainer confirmed this morning. The announcement was made after the son of Bold Ruler - Somethingroyal worked a mile in 1:40 3/5, handily at Hialeah...Laurin had jockey Heliodoro Gustines on Secretariat this morning at Hialeah and the strapping colt got the final half-mile of his drill in :47 1/5, by the trainer's watch. "I caught him going out a mile and an eighth in 1:55 flat," he said....
By Teddy Cox (March 17, 1973):
Honed razor sharp by a sensational three-eighths in :32 3/5 and pronounced "better than ever," by a confident but somewhat nervous Lucien Laurin, Meadow Stable's $6,080,000 superstar, Secretariat, launches his 1973 campaign here Saturday before a gathering perhaps in excess of 40,000, many of whom will be celebrating st. Patrick's Day...Secretariat was limbered up by a series of gallops, then Wednesday morning he electrified railbrids and clockers with a phenomenal trial that found him sizzling three-eighths in :32 3/5, after which he was eased a half in :44 4/5. "Oh my God," was Laurin's alarming reaction when he checked his own split-second watch that actually showed the colt going a second slower at both posts. The corps of clockers on hand, however, insisted that their watches all recorded the same time. The trial at first had Laurin visibly irritated but after Secretariat cooled out in normal style and ate his 11 a.m. lunch without missing an oat, the personable French-Canadian trainer relaxed....
By Clyde Hirt (March 25, 1973):
...Tooling up for his April 7 engagement in the mile Gotham, Mrs. John (Penny) Tweedy's syndicated Secretariat breezed a half-mile in :48 and finished out the five furlongs in a crisp 1:00 4/5....
By Charles Hatton (March 26, 1973):
The $6,080,000 Secretariat occasioned a few anxious moments yesterday. He coughed several times after his breeze of a half in :48....
By Teddy Cox (March 29, 1973):
Even though many horsemen called Belmont Park's main track extremely fast, Meadow Stable's syndicated Secretariat nonetheless astonished railbirds and clockers again this morning when he sped a mile in 1:35 2/5, a second off the track record. The big, awesome colt is aiming at the $50,000 added, mile Gotham Stakes, to be decided here at Aqueduct a week from Saturday. His regular rider, Ron Turcotte, was aboard with a total weight of "about 130 pounds," noted trainer Lucien Laurin, who added, "This colt never ceases to amaze me. He is truly great. "Big Red," as the $6,080,000 colt is called by most of the stable attendants, was brought on the track at 7 a.m. He was jogged the wrong way around, a maneuver designed to keep him from running off, and broke off at the mile pole, after which he moved along in rhythmic, methodical style and caused many to wonder if he was going at more than a two-minute clip. His fractions were :24 3/5, :48, 1:11 4/5, 1:23 4/5, and after he passed the finish line he was eased another eighth in 1:48. "I couldn't believe the time," Laurin said after the colt had been cooled out, fed, and put away for the day....
From Charles Hatton (March 29, 1973):
...Man o'War won the Withers in 1:35 4/5 and the track record is 1:34 2/5. Now hear this. Secretariat pulled up nine furlongs in 1:48 4/5 and was throttled down to a virtual walk for a mile and a quarter in 2:05. This observer recalls Regret, Exterminator, Sir Barton, Zev, Gallant Fox and Citation winning Kentucky Derbys in slower time...."
From Herb Goldstein (April 4, 1973):
Secretariat is ready for Saturday's $50,000 Gotham Stakes over one mile. The big red colt by Bold Ruler - Somethingroyal, by Princquillo, stepped 5 furlongs in 1:03 on the sloppy main track at Belmont this morning, working around dogs....The Meadow Stable star was handled in his drill by jockey Ronnie Turcotte, who held him well off the rail, and he went along in :26, :51 1/5 and was up in 1:16 for 6 furlongs....
Here's Secretariat's worktab from the Wood Memorial past performances:
April 3: Belmont - 5 furlongs (sloppy) - 1:03b(d)
April 13: Belmont - 4 furlongs (fast) - 49b
April 17: Belmont - 1 mile (muddy) - 1:42 2/5b
From Joe Hirsch (April 28, 1973):
...Meadow Stable's Secretariat, still the Kentucky Derby favorite in the Future Book wagering, worked in a driving rain and over a sloppy track here this morning in company with Edwin Whittaker's Angle Light, who upset his famous entrymate in the recent Wood Memorial. The two colts went 6 furlongs in 1:12 3/5, galloped out the 7 panels in 1:26 3/5, with Secretariat inches ahead at the end. Ron Turcotte was aboard Secretariat and Jacinto Vasquez was on Angle Light when they came onto the track at 6:30 a.m. in stygian gloom. Matching strides, the two colts clicked off a quarter in :24, a half-mile in :48 2/5 as trainer Lucien Laurin watched carefully from trackside....
From Joe Hirsch (May 3, 1973):
...It isn't entirely accurate to say that Laurin and Mrs. John B. Tweedy saw Secretariat work on this showery, overcast morning. As the big son of Bold Ruler walked to the track, shortly after 7:30, Laurin drove the owner to the grandstand on the other side of the track. Unfortunately, all the gates were locked, and before Laurin could find a guard to let them in, Secretariat was at the furlong pole. They saw the final eighth of a mile.
With Turcotte sitting quietly, Secretariat went off in 23 4/5 for the quarter, :35 for the 3 furlongs, :47 for the half-mile and completed five furlongs in :58 3/5, before Galloping out 6 furlongs in 1:12.
Laurin, before dashing off to observe Angle Light's work, said he was well pleased with Secretariat's clocking and noted his horse wasn't blowing upon his return....
...His work today looked smart, with a final quarter in 23 2/5 on a track marked by puddles of water. "This was a better blowout than the one Riva Ridge had coming up to his Derby last year," Turcotte noted. "It was cuppy that day and Riva Ridge wasn't getting a hold of it all that well, but this was still a better move. He was very strong and eager today." Secretariat received another and more impartial endorsment this morning from a tall gentleman with a bit of expertise on the subject. Horatio Luro, who saddled Decidedly (1962) and Northern Dancer (1964) to win the Run for the Roses, saw the work, studied the horse, and came away nodding in approval. "He impressed me the way that he did it," Luro commented. "He appeared to be relaxed and he wasn't blowing when he came back. I hope you noticed, too, that he acts good in any kind of going. He'll handle the track, wet or dry. He looks like the horse to beat....
From William C. Phillips (May 15, 1973):
...Fantastic beyond the comparative lengths of strides was Secretariat's 5-furlong clocking in :57 2/5. It was the principal subject of discussion later in the day at the Bill and Charlene Passmores in Laurel where they held a large party to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Bill's debut as a jockey. No horseman or rider there could remember a horse having worked faster over the Pimlico racing strip. They individually shook their heads in wonderment and spoke about the Derby winner in superlatives. "Imagine him galloping out the 6 furlongs in 1:10!" exclaimed Eldon Nelson, who won last spring's Preakness aboard William S. Farish III's Bee Bee Bee. Someone recalled that Rokeby Stable's Arts and Letters worked 6 furlongs in 1:10 2/5 for his Preakness, but the exercise rider had him running at the pole. Ron Turcotte had Secretariat going handily from the beginning Sunday. He rose to a standing position in the stirrups after completing the five-eighths and let his horse continue against the wind resistance on his own courage for the additional furlong."
From Joe Hirsch (May 15, 1973):
...The Derby winner, eager to run, went in furlongs of :11 2/5, 11 1/5, 12, 10 1/5 and his final eighth in 12 1/5, before galloping out 6 furlongs in 1:10. "Can you imagine a horse running 1 1/4 miles in 1:59 2/5, as he did in the Derby, and then coming back a week later with a work like this?" trainer Lucien Laurin remarked with delight after the move..."He didn't have blinkers on for the work," Laurin noted. "He'd have gone in :56 with blinkers, but he didn't need anything like that. He's ready, and I expect he will run another powerful race on Saturday...."
From Charles Hatton (May 15, 1973):
...Chick Lang quoted DAILY RACING FORM clocker Frank Robertson to the effect the colt's half was the fastest he ever timed on the Old Hilltop....
From Herb Goldstein (June 2, 1973):
...The big red colt by Bold Ruler - Somethingroyal, seeking to become the ninth U. S. Triple Crown winner, this morning worked a brilliant mile in 1:34 4/5 on the fast main track here...The clockers caught him in 12 seconds for his opening eighth, :23 4/5 for the quarter, :35 4/5 for three-eighths, :47 for the half-mile, :58 4/5 for the 5 panels, 1:11 for 6 furlongs, 1:22 4/5 for seven-eighths and 1:34 4/5 for the mile. He went out the mile and a furlong in 1:48 3/5...Later, when the colt had cooled out, Laurin reported, "I had planned a mile in about 1:36, but he did it so well, that I don't mind the difference. He came back fine."
Secretariat's workout line from his Belmont Stakes past performances read as follows:
May 27 - Belmont - 6 furlongs (sloppy) 1:12 1/5h
June 1 - Belmont - 1 mile (fast) - 1:34 4/5h
June 6 - Belmont - 4 furlongs (faste) - :46 3/5b
From Joe Hirsch (June 28, 1973):
Even the pros are excited about Secretariat. "I was just at the rail here at Belmont, watching one of my colts breeze, when the Big Horse worked on by," Jimmy Conway enthused over the phone this morning. "I caught him in :23, :46 4/5, and the 5 furlongs in :58, and he looked like he was merely galloping. He is something else! That Belmont race of his was as good a performance as I've ever seen. I saw Citation win the Jockey Club Gold Cup and I thought that was an outstanding performance. Native Dancer was great in winning the Metropolitan Handicap with that incredible stretch run of his. But that horse of (Lucien) Laurin's is unbelievable...."
From UPI (July 28, 1973):
"The amazing Secretariat, who only yesterday was put in a match race against his stablemate Riva ridge, set two track records while working in the slop at Saratoga Friday as he prepped for the Whitney Stakes here on August 4. The Triple Crown winner from the Meadow Stable sizzled a mile in 1:34 flat with jockey Ron Turcotte in the saddle to lower the old mark by 4-5 of a second. Roamer, who raced against the clock, and Pluck shared the previous best for a mile at Saratoga with a 1:34 4-5 clocking. But Secretariat wasn't through. With Turcotte pulling back on the reins, the big 3-year-old colt, galloped out 1 1/8 miles in 1:47 4-5 to establish another Saratoga mark. Stupendous ran that distance in 1967 in 1:48 1-5. Secretariat worked in blazing sprint fractions over the first six furlongs, going out in 45 2-5 seconds and clocking 1:09 1-5 for the first six panels. And all this on a track rated "sloppy."
Please, any info on Solider's Dancer. Can't find out anything since his last race this past winter at Calder. Just really like him. Is he OK? Thanks, again.
Click on the following link for information on Soldier's Dancer:
Second, Secretariat's measurements and weight changes before and after the Triple Crown. I thought of Zenyatta after this quote, "In fact his breadth of beam was perhaps his most striking feature. " I would love to see a match up of their respective measurements and weight.
I believe Zenyatta has weighed in at over 1,200 pounds and stands about 17.2 hands tall.
This is a question relative to Beyer figures: do they account for weight carried in a race? It doesn't appear that they do but I wondered whether anyone knew the "official" answer.
Beyer Speed Figures do not take into account weight, ground loss, wind, etc.
Can you give me the Beyer earned by Proper Villain, who finished a fast-closing second in a maiden special weight at Delaware (3rd race) on Saturday 9/25?
Thanks in advance,
Proper Villain, a juvenile colt by Bandini trained by Mac Robertson, received a 40 Beyer Speed Figure.
Congrats to Molesap for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise. He selects Wednesday's eighth race at Belmont for this week's event.
Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.
***PAST PERFORMANCES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS BLOG POST***
I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.
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HG I saw the track conditions this morning and would like to change my $5 tri: 10/1/4,5,9 to a $5 tri: 10/4/1,5,9 thank you
HG @ Belmont, Scratch the #2 & #3. No turf racing. As of 12:50PM, track listed as muddy.
HandiGambling 203 Wet, muddy, sloppy, or sealed track today. Who knows what the track will be like, but regardless, I am going with SAPPHIRE SKY (#10). She seems to enjoy the off tracks, and has all of the necessary connections to pull this off. I also like me a bit of ROGUE’S JEWEL (#6) based on her breeding, the turnback in distance, and her running line from the last race. Her odds should be good too. My play: $50 to Win on the 10 ($50) $25 Exacta box – 6,10 ($50) That’s it. Thanks Dan and tencent. Good luck good people
Frivolous, but may be a tiny bit relevant .... Soooo, what's in a name ? Well let's see about our "B" boys...hmmmm ? Baltimore Brian, blackstone, blackseabass, BigeasyBigchok, Bluegrassbada$$, Btutus4633, Bill G, Bluehorseshoe, maybe more? I'm getting soooo confused !!! So, instead of ME trying to seperate the black & and blue tangle of it all....LOL...may I ask: Bluegrassbada$$, as a newcomer, ( and I am really happy to see you back) .. May I address you as MR BLUE ? It's a slight throwback to that excellent 1992 movie "Reservoir Dogs" ...they were all a bunch of bad A$$ if I remember :) Besides, if I can't call an 'oil man' a "Valley Girl" ...Mr Blue, may be better :) ...Your call ! BTW, Huntington Beach, huh? ...Yes, I know it...We have family spread across CA from Long Beach, The San Fernando Valley (head shake...he-he) .. to Pismo Beach and up to the Bay Area.. Though I only read them & not replied.. I have enjoyed your thoughts on the Sales you were at, and what you saw. I spent my first sale at Saratoga this summer. (With Turnbackthealarm) only as an observer and IT was exciting and surreal! Like a Hollywood premier, all the beautiful people...and probably only 15% were actually looking at the horses LOL! ( myself & TBTA included) Whackymacky..I am still looking forward to your take on The Keenland (?) Sales you were at :) But it is something new for me, and I liked it. Physical handicapping is one thing I like to do, and am learning..(rare, as I don't have a track close by) and to see the new sires & the current offspring. So your thoughts well be well recieved. Bring the BC on! But handicapping is the tool that keeps my mind active. I don't bet or wager, just want to do the analysis and learn from it. :) BTW, if you have not been to one of our formblog friends 'Laura'' site http://www.ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com/ she has a comprehensive Freshman sires review, and other pertinent 2 yo information for ongoing races, plus lots more . Check it out if you have a minute. AND when she has a CHAT, well it is standing room only :) Okay, enough filler...back to our regular programming and the HG 204 selections. __________________________________________________________________________________ Annie-Kyri Rachel retired...bummer, but not un-expected...You all know we WILL have to discuss foal names for Rachel Alexandra & Curlin sometime in the near future!! LOL! I have a couple ideas.....he-he-he __________________________________________________________________________________ blackstone Yes, I DID miss the movie 'Valley Girl' ...will have to Google it...LOL! But I know Nicolas Cage (Coppola) and his quirky movies well. Thanks ! _________________________________________________________________________________ Dan, our Fearless Leader Thank you sooo much for the Zippy Chippy pp's and the continued articles about Secretariet . You continue year after year to produce a top rate product here for us all, and establish a racing forum unrivled in my estimation. I hope Steve Crist in his soon to be Hall of Fame status, will see it in his heart to send YOU to the 2011 NHC ! PLEASE!!!! SR Vegas
Hi Dan! I'm very disappointed seeing how Jess Jackson managed Rachel Alexandra's 2010 campaign, and finally they noticed she wasn't so sharp and great as the whole racing media said last year, in my opinion, she didn't beat great great horses and couldn't manage 10 furlongs, but retiring her without any injury and without an opportunity of her fans to say her good by in a racetrack is very sad... what do you think?, and could you post her pps and old champ Real Quiet who died last monday. Many thanks!
HG204: Since I think it is hard for horses to make up ground on a muddy track and it can be tiring to front runners, I've decided to go with a stalker as my key horse in the Super. I also happen to think that this is the best horse in the field anyway. Then I'm going to take all three of the frontrunners underneath and see what happens. #10 SAPPHIRE SKY - This horse has all the right stats. Excellent on off tracks, good at the distance, good trainer who can bring them back after a layoff, good jockey, very good works including two bullets. And ran well against LIGHTS OFF ANNIE. What more can you ask for? :) I'll give the three frontrunners a chance for second, and hope the other two hang on for third and fourth. #5 LA CONCERTO - Very consistent except last when bobbled at the break, likes off tracks, good trainer and jockey combo, one of only three that has ever earned a Beyer in the 90's. Also had a couple of 5 furlongs works. Good for the legs. #7 CODY SAMORA - Perfect on off tracks, perfect at the distance, good jockey/trainer combo. #9 MEESE ROCKS - Hard tryer, likes the wet, some good works. I don't think the Super will pay a lot with these horses, but I figure if I get it 16 times, it might be enough. :) $16 SUPER: 10/5,7,9/5,7,9/5,7,9 = $96 $4 WIN #10 Good luck everyone! Annie
Note: Belmont Park 9-29-2010 Off the Turf Today!!!!!! Over 25 Scratch's Today. Muddy track!!!!! Bridge Jumper Alert!!! Race #3 The #1 , #1A 5 Horse field. The show pool will be crushed!!! I will be watching. The #5 is the winner. Hate the Owner of that one!!! Whackymacky out!!!!
HG revised $100 win #1 Will be closing late.....
HG ANNIRON I like the #7, Cody Samora, who has a perfect record so far, has never been headed, and has gained ground in the stretch all three races. I read the article quoting trainer John Morrison - "I know her (pp'a) show nothing but 1's, but almost every work that we did with her was in company where we put her behind horses and had her run at them." Also, "there's been gas left in the tank from both of her victories" and "I really didn't have her cranked all the way down for her first race.... I don't think we've seen the best of her yet." Maybe she's still hasn't shown her best and may be able to step and win this one. I think it's interesting that she ran 1-1/16 in her first race, at Belmont. Usually, trainers start with short races and gradually work up to longer distances. $100 win #7
The 10 is the horse to beat and I believe the 5 will bounce back HG $20 tri: 10/5,9/5,9 $10 tri: 5/10/1,4,9 $5 tri: 10/5/1,4,9 $5 tri: 10/1/4,5,9