01/04/2013 9:19AM

Latest Kentucky Derby Future Odds

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There are 17 weeks until the Kentucky Derby. That, real racing fans know, is two lifetimes. Nevertheless, the Wynn Race and Sports Book in Las Vegas has been issuing future book odds for the 2013 Derby for a while now. And since there are two graded stakes for 3-year-olds on Saturday (the Grade 2 Jerome at Aqueduct and the Grade 3 Sham at Santa Anita), it might be timely to check in on Wynn’s latest odds update.

I doubt many will be surprised that Shanghai Bobby, who is a mortal lock to be voted champion 2-year-old male of 2012, is not Wynn's future book Derby favorite. Shanghai Bobby is an undefeated (he’s 5 for 5) Breeders’ Cup Juvenile winner, and yet you can’t turn around without bumping into someone who is a disbeliever. That’s understandable. Although Shanghai Bobby was game prevailing in the Juvenile in his first start around two turns after contesting a fast pace, he walked home, and was carried by a speed-favoring track. In any case, Wynn currently has Shanghai Bobby as its third choice at 18-1.

Wynn’s current Derby favorite at 12-1 is Violence, who is also undefeated, and who, like Shanghai Bobby, is trained by Todd Pletcher. In truth, Violence is fortunate to be 3 for 3. He could have been disqualified from first in the Nashua Stakes after coming in through the stretch and racking up three opponents to his inside. But Violence was good winning the CashCall Futurity in his last start, and he looks like a genuine two turn horse.

Second choice between Violence and Shanghai Bobby at 14-1 is Uncaptured. Uncaptured improved his record to 6 for 7 (and 2 for 2 on dirt) when he won the mysteriously slow Kentucky Jockey Club in his 2-year-old finale. But it is certainly worth noting that Uncaptured previously dominated the Iroquois Stakes, meaning he swept Churchill Downs’s two big late-season main track 2-year-old stakes.

Keeping in mind that their odds reflect actual action taken, Wynn currently has 15 horses at 40-1 or less in its future book Derby odds. Here they are:

Violence                             12-1

Uncaptured                        14-1

Shanghai Bobby                 18-1

Frac Daddy                         22-1

Flashback                           25-1

Goldencents                       25-1

Normandy Invasion            25-1

Overanalyze                       30-1

Archwarrior                         35-1

Capo Bastone                     35-1

Power Broker                      35-1

He’s Had Enough                40-1

Palace Malice                      40-1

Purple Egg                          40-1

War Academy                     40-1

Michael More than 1 year ago
Watch out for Let'em Shine... 2d race Santa Anita..Jan 19th
Joe More than 1 year ago
My buddy had I'll Have Another last year before he won the San Vicente at 150-1. So sometimes it's worth taking a shot.
peter k More than 1 year ago
agreed
Nicholas Briglia More than 1 year ago
Violence has to be one of the worst names ever given to a racehorse. Why would they even allow a name with such a negative connotation?
John Rogitz More than 1 year ago
Take a pill and lie down Nicky. It will pass soon.
john deksnis More than 1 year ago
Oh please! Are you serious? Some days ago -- I believe in response to Mr. Jerardi's similar objection -- I asked if we also need to remove, say, "gun" and "pistol" from horse's names. Anyway, I found your objection to be "political correctness" in extremis. Which is to say, ridiculous. Besides, if you had ever been around an unruly horse, you'd have to concede that a name with "violence" in it could certainly be appropriate. Anyway, I think it's a terrific name for a male horse. You, sir, take such matters a tad too seriously, I'd say. These are, after all, just horse names.
peter k More than 1 year ago
Posted a comment earlier this morning but i guess it got x-ed out Anyway do you have the site with the current odds for the horses not listed here ?
peter k More than 1 year ago
I could not find the odds from wynn race and sports book but blogs.courier-journal.com has them . I know its so early, but if you are going to play and have an inkling, now is the time to do it if you have a connection in vegas to place the bet
RunningDog More than 1 year ago
Good chance not one of these will be in the starting gate. Cant believe anyone would play any horse at less than 100-1. I would not take 12-1 on Violence to show in the Derby, heck chances are 90% he wont even make the race.
John Rogitz More than 1 year ago
Agreed. A future wager now at any price is a sucker bet. Your horse hasn't even got to the starting gate and odds are he won't.
ENAMMELD More than 1 year ago
I agree, I would also not bet without insurance in the case of the horse not starting. However I've never seen insurance on these futures. If anyone has I'd appreciate you posting.
petem More than 1 year ago
well looks the future bet on Violence is not going to payoff.
John Stevelberg More than 1 year ago
Think this years winner comes out of the clouds. Keeping an eye on Oaklawn and Tampa Bay prep on a hunch...nothing more.
George Smith More than 1 year ago
Each one of one those plays is a complete sucker bet.
Larry Goren More than 1 year ago
i was lucky enough or dumb enough to put $20 to win on Giacomo after his Hollywood Park race at end of his 2 year old season. of course, he went off at longer odds at derby.
Bwell More than 1 year ago
Based on recent history the Pletcher horses are bad investments. You have to predict who can get in the gate. I'd also recommend staying away from these wagers because no one truly knows how to accumulate enough points to get in the gate.