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Much has been written about how none of this year’s final Kentucky Derby preps were run fast enough to have received a triple digit Beyer Figure (with a Beyer of 98, the Arkansas Derby was the fastest final prep). But not much has been written about the interesting Beyer Figure situation concerning the Kentucky Oaks fillies. So we’ll try to remedy that.
What follows is the current list of the 14 fillies on Churchill Downs’s Kentucky Oaks website who have sufficient graded earnings to start (yes, like the Derby, graded earnings may be needed this year to cap the size of the Oaks field), with their top two career Beyers on dirt:
R Heat Lightning – 100, 98
Plum Pretty – 99, 79
Arienza – 90, 83
Zazu – 89, 89
Kathmanblu – 86, 83 (she does own a 93 on turf)
Summer Soiree – 85, 73 (she has a 92 on synthetic)
Daisy Devine – 84, 80
Joyful Victory – 83, 82
St. John’s River – 83, 77
Inglorious – 81, 79
Bouquet Booth – 80, 78
Holy Heavens – 79, 79
Delightful Mary – 78 in her only dirt start (she does have an 86 on synthetic)
Lilacs and Lace – 29 in her debut in her only dirt start (she earned an 87 on synthetic)
Obviously, the gap from the top two down to the rest is striking, and might feel even bigger after Plum Pretty is placed under the microscope.
Plum Pretty won her debut last fall, and then finished third in the Santa Ynez and Las Virgenes in her first two starts this year, earning respective Beyers of 75, 77, and 79. She then exploded to that 99 last time out in her 25 length romp at 1-20 in the Sunland Park Oaks. Now, Plum Pretty could easily be an example of a young, lightly raced filly improving suddenly and dramatically, as those with quality will often do. But it is also plausible that the optimal conditions of the Sunland Park Oaks – weak competition and easy trip – enabled Plum Pretty to earn a Beyer that was aberrational, and one that would be difficult for her to approach under more competitive conditions.
R Heat Lightning was in a somewhat similar position after she earned her 98 Beyer when she ran away with the Davona Dale Stakes at Gulfstream in February. That figure was so dramatically higher than her previous best – higher by 16 big Beyer points, to be precise – that it was easy to be skeptical of it, especially since she had already started six times. But the big difference here was, unlike what Plum Pretty trounced at Sunland, R Heat Lightning thrashed some capable graded stakes winners in the Davona Dale.
Of course, the other big difference is that R Heat Lightning returned last time out in the Gulfstream Park Oaks and backed up the big Beyer she received in the Davona Dale. In fact, she bettered it by two points while again scoring by a lopsided margin.
So, depending on what you think of Plum Pretty’s number at Sunland, what we could have with R Heat Lightning in the Kentucky Oaks, from a Beyer standpoint, anyway, is a potential mismatch.
Hi Mike, I saw the the work of Joyful Victory on Sunday, man was she awesome or what! I would pray for 3/1. To think these experts are making an issue of beyers Mike never raised his stick on her two preps at Oakland, so you fig experts will get your numbers when it matters most on Friday. So until then fasten your seat belts!
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Hi Mike its me again.Tell me , did I read right when Larry Jones said Mike Smith said that Joyful ranks with his two super mares Azeri and Zenyatta? WOW! Man those are some lofty ideals indeed. I wonder if Mike must be thinking what he just said .
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My, how things change. Get them in the gate before we lose anymore. I'll now go with a Plum Pretty, Zazu and Joyful Victory and throw in Kathmanblu for a tri box. Race is wide open now.
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Love the top 2 horses for Oaks, R Heat Lightning is the real deal and wheel Arienza, Zazu, Kathmanblu and Joyful Victory for 3rd and get a nice tri. Kathmanblu really struggled last time out and did not her usual kick. R Heat Lightning would embarass at least half the derby field and probably be in top five at least. Pletcher has to show he did not screw up this spring with Mo and a sweep is nice bragging rights and peace of mind. There are still weather and the draw which can really change things in a hurry. Good racing luck to everyone!
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Hi Mike,
People keep mentioning Arienza for the Oaks, but I believe that it is common knowledge that she will skip the Oaks and instead run in the Eight Belles the same day.
Just to set that straight.
Easier spot it would seem.
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The numbers show that R Heat is for real, but also watch for Zazu that has been knocking heads with Turbulent Descent. That one did pretty well when traveling east.
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Large margins produce high Byers, GP is a track that usually has wide gaps between horses at the finish. Every year horses with huge Byers at GP come north, go off huge favorites and lose.
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Vincent Bartksoki,
I am well aware that Big Brown ran in and won the Derby in 2008. I had the trifecta that year...
For the record, Eight Belles was NOT the second choice in the post time odds--that would have been Colonel John at 9-2. Pyro Went off at 6-1. Eight Belles went off at 13-1. Mike can verify all of this is you think I am off base. Or, better yet, look it up yourself. Big Brown was by far the best horse that year, but Eight Belles was clearly second best. The public thought Uncle John and Pyro had a much better shot. 13-1, Vincent, not 6-1...
Please get your facts straight.
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Plum Pretty will be there at the end. She has only ran four races, and finished A close 3rd in two of them to two good horses. But she has gotten better and better since then.
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Wire to wire with Pants On Fire ! Yea Rosie !
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I don't care about the beyers when it comes to the Oaks. My pick from last yr. is still my pick today and that is Kathmanblu. Toss that last prep race, this pony is ready to run !!!!
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Perhaps the reason that Pletcher does not run R Heat Lightning in the K Derby is because:
A) He knows she cannot beat Uncle Mo and wants to win the Ky Oaks with her.
B) He is now so beholden to the owners and future breeders of his colts that he doesn't want to do anything that may cost one of his 2 colts a shot at hitting the board in the Derby.
C) Maybe he remembers last year. Or maybe 2008. This filly is not as fast as Eight Belles, nor as big as Eight Belles. Maybe he remembers Eight Belles. After all, Rachel A ran in the Oaks, and then ran in the Preakness. Maybe Pletcher has the Oaks-Preakness double in mind for the filly should his two colts lay an egg?
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someone mentioned the issue with graded earnings, the fillies if cross entered in the derby would knock the 20th place colt out of the loop and put him on the bubble, if they are TC nominated their money works towards the derby also and with 300k RHeat lighting and others would be in without a problem
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I find it hard to believe that no one is discussing Arienza. If one tosses the 99 Beyer that Plum Pretty earned in her romp against inferior competition at Sunland, Arienza has the second highest Beyer on dirt. I know that Joyful Victory beat Arienza soundly last time out, but remember that Arienza has only three career starts and has a lot of room for improvement. Even if Arienza doesn't win the Oaks, I'd watch out for her later in the summer and fall.
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I agree with COURTLAND SIMMONS. R Heat Lightning should be in the Derby, not the Oaks. Repole's entires with Pletcher are no longer viewed as particularly stellar - so what's the disconnect? Give her a chance to make history, sure she does seem to be the talent in the Oaks field, but some of those fillies have been more consistant than the colts.
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I am just curious as to what happened to Wyomia
Does anyone know what race she is pointing to? or if she is hurt?
Any news is appreciated
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Hi Mike,
I would tend to agree that the splits of Joyful Victory's Honeybee and Fantasy wins with times of 22.89, 46.60, 1:11.42, 1:37.63 - final 8.5f 1:44.74 (Fantasy) and Honeybee - 22.67, 45.91, 1:11.28 final 1:44.83 ARE in fact as strong as the Ark Derby of 22.54, 46.53, 1:11.22, 1:36.18 final - 1:49.34, until the end of the race where Joyful Victory was wrapped up and cruised home. So she could be perhaps up-graded in the Beyer Dept.
That is always the option. But although the colts took 13.16 to run the last furlong, JV would have had to have run the last 1/16 in 4.6 to equal it.
So with a 7 length lead in the Fantasy, she slowed down and that's what the Beyer reflects. It is not a Magic Wand.
You still have to handicap. I think.
Numbers are just numbers, and hence, can make one numb.
Thanks.
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mike if r heat lightining is that good , the reason i suggest she is not being considered for the derby is that todd pletcher who trains both knows better than us, that if uncle mo is in form she dosent have a chance. also i will love uncle mo price to go up , he will be the only horse who has won a grade 1 over this track beyering in 108. if he is fit . i plan on making a big profit. so go on all you nay sayers. cha ching.
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Looking at the top Beyers alone, one would think Arienza is several lengths faster than Joyful Victory. But that clearly is not the case. And neither is it true that R Heat Lightning towers over this field. I'll make her prove her big figs on a track other than Gulfstream.
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4- 28 -11
Im STILL quite SURPRISED based on her FIGURES that R HEAT is niot even being "considered
FOR THE DERBY - Granted plenty of TOP fillies have been "SWALLOWED UP" when facing
an even VUNERABLE group of mALES , because , as WE ALL KNOW someone
will JUMP UP and run BIG too big for everyone and 2011 is NO DIFFERENT
But PLETCHER may be exhibiting too much CONFIDENCE in his colts
she @ least MERITS an opprtunity
UNLIKE DEVIL MAY CARE last year who was coming in off a TWO MONTH LAYOFF
and a funal prep at 1 1/16 miles this filly has a c something more SUBSANTIAL TO GOon with a n9 FURLONG RUN
so ....
SOMETHING 2 THINK ABOUT
Thanks guys
CS
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Pletchers best chance to repeat in the derby might be R Heat Lightning. She is by far the best 3 year old horse to come out of Florida. Why not take a chance its not like Gulfstream horses are stranger to the derby winners circle of recent memory. Besides if she does fail she would get a reprieve and still be leaps and bounds ahead of the other 3 year old fillies in the division. If that were to happen then she can wait and regroup to rack up a string of Grade 1's in New York this summer.
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Miguel... you make some valid points; the best being that: will these fillies run to the level of the competition? If you recall R Heat Lightning's first start this year in FL, she wasn't even the favorite and she ran like it. In her next start, I was totally impressed by her/the profound level of improvement. So much so, that I immediately made a note to myself to play her cold (as a single in any pick 4's or 5's and as a key in the race; i.e. RHL/all/all/all) if she ran again (3rd race off the layoff) at Gulfstream. When she again exploded to throttle that field, I could only think that she had matured a great deal since her 2nd in the Breeders Cup last fall.
RHL is the inverse to Uncle Mo (same barn) in that she was good at 2 yrs. old but much, much better at 3. Uncle Mo (on the other hand) looks quite ordinary as a 3 yr. old and may or may not have some excuses for his inability to achieve what he did when he was 2 years old.
Your point regarding Plum Pretty should be remembered by all handi-cappers on Oaks Day. I do not think she will get such an easy trip (I'd like to say "guarantee" that she won't get that trip, but that is way too cocky). Baffert is a magician when it comes to getting horses ready to perform on big racing days... but Mr. Pletcher is no slouch either and his stable can get and stay "red" hot. If the Derby was at Gulfstream, I would like to see RHL run against the boys. Last year, Mr. Pletcher had a filly (whose name escapes me) who ran 5th or 6th I believe.
I'm looking forward to your continued coverage of the Derby and the horses you like.
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Joyful Victorys # is to low she ran same splits as boys in Ark derby
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Hi Mike, that gray filly Joyful Victory seems like a push button horse Mike Smith lays three lengths off the expected fast pace goes by at the head of the lane and draws off by 2
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Did you happen to notice there were 3 runners for this particular owner that ran lights out for Pletcher at GP. Let's see if this fabulous form continues at CHD. Believe one of hose Fab 3 are running in Derby Trial.
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