02/02/2012 2:38PM

HandiGambling 269 (Gulfstream Maiden Claiming)

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Thursday's HandiGambling 269 exercise is the eighth race at Gulfstream Park, a $50,000 maiden claimer at 5 1/2 furlongs for 3-year-old fillies.

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan."
 
Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified.
 
Please post your plays and analysis to the blog.
 
Please separate the play from the analysis and label the play "HG" with the program numbers instead of the names of the horses.
 
Past performances are available at the previous blog post.
 
In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference.
 
One entry per person please.
 
I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.
 
I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

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The track is FAST.

Let's scratch #1A - CHAMBORD CASTLE, #3 SABRE THE LIGHT and #4 DOT THOSE EYES.

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I don't really have a very strong handle on this race and won't be playing it with real money.  For HandiGambling, I narrowed it down to four main contenders.

#6 SO VOGUE is a first-time starter by Seeking the Best, a graded winner on dirt in Japan (more of a sprinter/miler type) that is 1-18 with debut runners.  The unraced dam has foaled one winner (on turf) from one prior starter and is a half-sister to Grade 2-placed sprinter Mike's Classic and Grade 1 sprint winner Dublin.  The second dam, Classy Mirage, won the prestigious Ballerina Stakes (G1) sprinting at Saratoga.  So Vogue's trainer, Kirk Ziadie, clicks at a high rate, but isn't known for his prowess with first-time starters (0-8 over the past two years; 10-52, 19%, $1.83 ROI over the past five years).  The thing that caught my eye with So Vogue was her gate workout on January 7 at Calder.  Also working five furlongs in 1:04 that morning was Ziadie's Truly Distinctive, a 4-year-old colt that won a $10,000 'n3L' claimer under jockey Maynor Lopez five days later with a career-best 77 Beyer Speed Figure.  So Vogue is certainly a stab play, but I'll give her shot in a race that I found very difficult to handicap.

#1 CASALINGA earned solid Moss Pace Figures (92 to first call) in her debut run on January 6, but she failed to put away 61-1 debutante Legalized and let that one come back to beat her by a half-length.  The only horse to return from that race to run next-out on dirt was Starship Made It, who graduated for $12,500 at Tampa Bay Downs with a 55 Beyer.  Casalinga has high speed, but will have to deal with #2 DONATE to her inside and is stepping up in class.  Also, her rider, Jose Lopez, has won with only one of his last 94 mounts in North America.  We'll know Casalinga early and she should be a strong factor if she runs back to her debut Beyer of 69.  Her dam, the multiple sprint winner Never Out, placed in the Grade 2 Alcibiades Stakes at 1 1/16 miles. 

#8 STARSHIP SABRINA, a $30,000 buyback as a yearling and a $47,000 buyback as a juvenile, may benefit most if Casalinga and Donate hook up in the early going.  In her first start for a tag, Starship Sabrina outfinished a tiring Donate when second on New Year's Day (that race produced next-out winner Wild Country Song, who scored for $25,000 at Gulfstream with a 65 Beyer).  She boasts competitive Beyers and should be charging in the stretch for trainer Steve Dwoskin.  Count her out at your own risk.

When #2 DONATE breaks well, she is very fast out of the gate as evidenced by the 100 Moss Pace Rating for the first call of her debut last year at Churchill Downs.  She also broke sharply two starts back, but couldn't fend off the late rally of Starship Sabrina.  We know Donate is quick, but she hasn't shown much stamina to date, losing ground from the stretch call to the wire in all of her starts.  She is a half-sister to stakes-winning sprinter One Star, a filly that won the OBS Sprint over safetrack footing.

As for the others:

#9 GREAT CHANCE, out of juvenile stakes-winning sprinter Marsheslew (won the $100,000 Bassinet Stakes going six furlongs at River Downs), adds blinkers after chasing the pace in her career debut.  A $28,000 summer yearling buyback that sold for $4,000 that October, She'll have to improve about five lengths on Starship Sabrina in order to win this for trainer Jose Pinchin.

#5 EMMA'S ENCORE is a half-sister to stakes-placed juvenile Bertha Jo (6-37, 112K, ran third in the $118,000 Barretts Debutante going 6 1/2 furlongs at Fairplex).  She'll make her first start for the legendary Allen Jerkens after missing the break against maiden special weights at Keeneland (a race that produced next-out turf winner Callmenancy; 69 Beyer).  Her only start on dirt was against recent stakes-winner Devious Intent so she should certainly appreciate the class relief presented to her today.

#10 WHY SHOULD I has some angles in her corner as she drops in for a claiming tag for the first time while also utilizing the turf-to-dirt move.  That maiden race on dirt didn't produce much, however, as all five of the horses that returned to race finished off the board in their next outings.  Why Should I must avoid being hung out wide with a short run to the turn.

#7 UNION BOSS is by Dixie Union (48-432, 11% with debut runners) out of the multiple stakes-winning sprinter Capitol View (12-41, 447K), a mare that has foaled three winners from as many starters.  There is an 18-day gap in the work tab and the barn is 0-21 with debut runners over the past four years.  Union Boss sold for $160,000 as a yearling, was bought back for $145,000 in March of 2011 and was purchased for $50,000 last May. 

#11 COSMIC ENERGY, a $22,000 yearling, is by Grade 2 route winner Unbridled Energy (3-68, 4% with debut runners) out of sprint winner Cosmic Secrets (3-52, 55K).  The dam has foaled three winners from four runners and is a half-sister to Grade 3 route winner Wildly Special.  Trainer Tim Hills is 0-23 over the past year with debut runners.

#12 MS. TIZNOW is by Tiznow (38-446, 9% with debut runners) out of sprint winner St Ballado's Image (1-10, 31K), a mare that has foaled no winners from two runners, but is a half-sister to multiple Grade 3 winner Halo's Image.  The workouts fail to jump off the page and she'll have to overcome the far outside post.

Here's my HandiGambling stab:

$50 Win-Place - #6 SO VOGUE

Best of luck to all.

Molesap 9 months ago
Curt V., Time has limited my participation in the blog, but you're like a damned broken record - it seems everytime I log in you have won the HG. Fantastic job.
Dick W 9 months ago
Grisham Very nice hit in the HG with your $5 tri !!! Dick W
Calvin L. Carter 9 months ago
SR Vegas, meathead01, I heard from the editor yesterday that EQUUS Magazine, the most popular general horse magazine in the US, is now slated to run an excerpt from HORSE PROFILING in their April issue.
meathead01 9 months ago
Santa Anita 2-4-12 saturday R2 #6 Me Salty got a new rider in rosario today and that may push this one over the edge to get a picture taken today. goes a half furlong longer and joel will have him closing down the lane. #2 His Boy Elroy cutting back today and gets yet another jockey for oneill this lightly raced gelding has had lots of problems and may have got them behind now. J/T is 27%. #1 Breakmark krigger got this one to run last race and draws down to the rail which should keep him from swinging out wide.he does have a good record of hitting the board and think he is in the exotics today. R3 #1 Deweys Special been off since april 2010 so he may any thing at this time of his racing life but have to think he may run some today since trainer brought him back in a graded race so confidence abounds. is usually ready to fire big shot after rest.trainer 33% with first timers. #2 Pathfork a gr1 winner from ireland already returns to the races for sadler with good strong works in tow is a front runner so gets talamo to ride should show the way in this race. #6 Willyconker (IRE) this guy loves this distance being four for eight with three board finishes goes back to bejarano who seems to get the most from him lately. another speed type that likes it out front. they all have to beat #8 Mr. Commons and with all this speed signed they may set it up nicely. R6 #6 Rousing Sermon always gets a part of the money and today will be no different and does run strong after layoff so am thinking talamo will have him in position to win this today. hollendorfer with layoff horses 22%. #5 Sky Kingdom last was very nice win for this guy and garcia seems to get him in the picture when he rides two for two.this colt will lay just off and make his run down the lane. #4 Ill Have Another returns for oniell with two bullet works and if can get an easy lead will be hard to catch today. trainer is 33% on the stretchout the jockey is unknown to me so will take that into consideration today. good luck all MH01
Annie 9 months ago
Um, that last was supposed to be for Bernard. Annie
Steve T 9 months ago
knm, The Public Handicapper past performance deal is indeed a deal. The cheapest the classic PP's get is $1.80 each for the 240 card pack on a "normal" deal. So $1.30 per for 100 cards is a very nice discount. Here are all of the PP plans and prices: http://www.drf.com/store/past-performances
SR Vegas 9 months ago
BSB "one of the qualifiers at NHC saying that it cost him $3000 to qualify ..." If I may, ( I am sure Alan will also comment ) I too, saw that comment at the MW Blog and thought...hmmm. At previous NHC's when talking to contestants, they have shared how they got here. Some spend even more than that. Alot of their monies go to covering travel expenses, or airfare to different tracks/locations that have the qualifiers. Some may hit 6-8 different citys , entrie fees, etc before they get qualified. And that can add up quick. Not all like the chances of playing online with so many entrys. They judge their own 'risk and reward' depending on how well they think they will eventually do when they get here. Hope that helps... --------------------------- Annie yeah! FESTIVE SPIRIT has put me in a festive mood this weekend. NOW, we just have to get your FORWARD MARCH going forward :)
Annie 9 months ago
Jeff T, Wheee! Looks like your BATTLE HARDENED is going to run in the Sam Davis. He scratched out of the maiden race. Seems to be a lot of confidence in him by the connections. Good luck! Annie
Calvin L. Carter 9 months ago
blackseabass, I think that Chips All In could be competitive in the Robert B. Lewis but I don't know about the win: http://classicchampionthoroughbreds.blogspot.com/2012/02/robert-b-lewis-stakes-racing-roundup.html
David M 9 months ago
Annie: You are right so much information, so little time!. For me it boils to weighting the information properly, I don't do that well. The HG GP workouts were there for me and they were quick a few works back. You correctly noted that. The baggage I carry is coming from KY and Ellis Park in particular I never put much stock in morning times. They were typically not recorded properly or just flat misleading in the past. Plus all the little training centers, etc. I struggled with the integrity angle. Major circuits like SoCAl seem to do a better job of tracking it and getting them right. I do look at SoCal as being accurate. I suppose GP should fit in that category. I usually dismiss first timers too quickly especially when the field was as untalented as that $50k MDN was. A new face made sense. Curt V nailed it. Not just yanking chains here but this Form Blog crew is so talented. Definitely lots of grade one caliber handicappers. It is fun to just hang with the crowd. One of these days I may graduate to $10K MDN claimer level and move into ALW company. Other - I mentioned a few weeks back that Incarnate Memories was reported to be a runner. Heard about her direct from the source 2 years back and then again pre BC leadup at KEE. She finally surfaced and the Western KY boys hammered her to 3-5 despite Larry Jones 1-35 record in that category. Thankfully 3-5 is not something I do plus I swore off barn steam for their first start in my resolutions. She ran flat but I will be shocked if she does not have some major 'run" to her. Like I said the first hand information she can run is probably accurate whether she wins first out was not part of the information. Marcus Hersch chose to highlight her in his FG recap. I suspect 5-2 next time and maybe the turf although at FG a heavy dew is all is takes for a week of wash offs. Few interesting turfers to watch -(can't play today so they probably run well) Bold Front at FG - bad trip last, think he shows more today. Attendant in same race has pedigree to move way up first turf maybe for unders.... More than Ready with Kingmambo mare. Two A sources of turf to me and sounds like a formula for a grass win soon assuming key equipment is intact. Vasten at FG race 5 also shows turf move up pedigree IMO. Top/bottom grass and obligatory educational dirt run out of way. Amoss trainee so today we see if this one is anything. Muscialdefinition at GP should turf (Bernstein/Theatrical mix). Mile in debut and rail means I watch hoping for slow break and sub par effort today with potential for payday next out at 40-1.
jimi 9 months ago
Dan A belated thanks for your 1st time gelded info. Star Navigator in the 2nd and Setsuko in the last @ SA are todays recipients of the biggest drop in racing. MKB Clearly a Cowboy continues his rehab and we stopped by Mandella's barn to see what can happen even if you finish 2nd in both the SA Derby and Handicap and bring home almost 1/2 million dollars before age 5. Maybe a bit harsh on the youngster as he's in the back of his stall now muttering "just win, baby".
Annie 9 months ago
Jimi, I see you're continuing your motivation techniques. LOL Annie
jim tully 9 months ago
Look! Mr. Hot Stuff goes in the 10th at SA today No, wait. That's Setsuko. Nevermind.
SR Vegas 9 months ago
meathead01 ..looks to me that you have handicapped some nice picks and nicer longshots today . Well done & I hope you had $$ on them , Ca-ching! Me Salty 10.00 win - I'll Have Another 88.60 / 35.80 / 12.00 - Tippity Tap Tap 22.00 win - Ultimate Eagle 17.00 win ...
Bernard Downes 9 months ago
Another plea for education please. I still can't bet Santa Anita (I decided against an off-shore account), but I was looking at the Robert Lewis for interest. I watched the video preview this morning and (sorry Dan) was amazed not to hear the weights mentioned (or did I miss it). Am I right in thinking there has been an 11 lb turnaround between Liaison and Rousing Sermon since Nov, and 5 lbs since Dec? I am not saying Rousing Sermon will win (both horses would be too short for my betting), but surely that weight change has to be a factor? How do US handicappers play significant weight variations? In Europe, in 99% of cases an 11 lb turnaround for a head defeat (?) would be like buying money. SR Vegas, Congratulations on FESTIVE SPIRITS win. Did you bet him? Annie, Wow, another MKB winner. You can pick them. Do you keep a running tally? Have you ever thought of saving up all your betting money for 10 months and then just bet your MKB horses in Jan and Feb? Best Regards - Bernard Downes
Annie 9 months ago
BSB, Thanks. Yes, I do keep a running tally of the fine performances of the MKB horses, and bet many of them along the way. Some nice exactas can be had as well. :) Annie
SR Vegas 9 months ago
Annie "Actually, I am going to play a contest at Canterbury which starts tomorrow .." Good Luck! One of the gals at my table ( Hello Kim! from Minnesota , if you are reading) qualifed for the NHC through Canterbury. Go get 'em Annie!
SR Vegas 9 months ago
Bernard Downes ..No wager on my MKB Festive Spirit , but I was having a festive time on the Golf Course at the time the race was going off. With my RAH, TBTA, and her Hubby . Cold and windy morning turned out warm and glorious day! Would that count as a 'winner' ? lol! Keith L, Virgin Queen I see yours previous MKB TAPIZAR, and PRAYER FOR RELIEF are going in the 200K Strub today at Santa Anita #9 ... and no trash talk ?? I'll throw in JAYCITO, as he has been on the HW and is working very nicely into this. Increasing distance, fast works combined with slows and a final 4F bullet blow out. Yep, I think he'll be on his toes :) Good Luck to our MKB owners in the 200K Robert B Lewis, race #6 at Santa Anita ! I'll try to catch this live via calracing.com . I love to watch these young horses in the paddock and warm ups. BSB Beer Meister . Hmmm, I missed something ?
blackseabass 9 months ago
Put it in the Kinky handicapping file. SRVegas & Annie (the rest of you bums fagedaboutit :-) Take a close look at Beermiester in the Strub . LOL. See what I mean ?? ;-) LOL. His connects are some real comedians,right ?
SR Vegas 9 months ago
Calvin Carter That's great news and that will be a nice lead into the Kentucky Derby ...is that about the time you expect the book to me released ? All the best :)
meathead01 9 months ago
Santa Anita 2-4-12 saturday R7 #9 Gab Power this one loves to stretchout as seen in his pps just missed against surplus on a rallying effort with bejarano look for a strong run late stretch to get his picture taken today. #7 Silver Spur (AUS) dons the blinkers for this run and stretches out an eighth more trainer is 27% with blinkers on and this guy has turned in four solid works for this with the last a bullet. nakatani will have this gelding in the race from early on. #5 Tippety Tap Tap flores gets another chance for gallagher today and he has his maiden breaker win back in may 2011 from off the pace. flores will take him out today with the early speed for his best try R8 #8 Balladry was coming late in last and today gets five pounds from tapizar that may be what he needs to get the nod today.look for a late run down the stretch with tapizar in front and weakening at the wire. #3 Beer Meister this shipper from the desert brings his rider over to So. Cal to try and get the money. at first glance looks to be over his head but on closer look that was an awesome win in last. He may take to the socal dirt today. #4 Ultimate Eagle dont see but one bad race on his pps and that leads me to believe he is definately one to beat in this gr. race.he does not need the lead to win but he can show superior early speed against these today and think he may wear down tapizar for the others. R9 #2 Crossing The Line (NZ) rosario will be the diference for this gelding to get the money here was closing fast in that last race at a mile and today is cutting back to a sprint so watch for a wide run late for the money. #5 Quietly Mine no rally in that last race but think he awakens today with pedroza and makes a run at them late stretch. has been facing much tougher than these so dont disregard his ability in this. #3 Mark the Bench another cutting back today after a closing effort going longer and talamo picks up the mount today.gets over 50% in the money so not a bad bet in this to get part. R10 #5 Killer Bear back to the races with a bullet work for knapp retains quinonez to ride who gets him to run for the most part should be fresh and ready to give a good effort today. #1 Setsuko is the one to beat here after tough campaign in 2011 this one stands over these here for sure. works seem to say he is ready but will like to see one before unloading on this one. #9 Industry Leader this could be the upsetter in this race after fine move in that last race trainer moves him up a notch and puts the blinkers on. talamo may try to take him out closer to the pace today with the shades on. good luck all MH01
blackseabass 9 months ago
A strange and possibly goofy question for Calvin , Laura or LSD . I'm seeing two colts dropped by Squall Linda in 2009 . Groovin' Solo & Crafty John. Twins ? I know it happens sometimes. Red Means Go / Green Means Stop or whatever their names were comes to my mind. Is this a Typo or are they actually Twins ??? Thanks in advance if one of you knows the answer. ___________________________________________________________________________________ lol:-)kculdoog,sojoerba,pwirahpogtslASpilfnioc,jimiginhctawer'ouyfi(-:
Annie 9 months ago
BSB, Hmm, I wonder if maybe GROOVIN' SOLO'S original name was CRAFTY JOHN? CJ has no race record. Beer Meister? LOL Annie
SR Vegas 9 months ago
Curt V , Again ?? ... way to go in HG !!
Ned Daly 9 months ago
Formbloggers Looking at tomorrow's Withers PPs. #5 How Do I Win lost the Oct 9 race by 17 lengths, then came back 18 days later in a shorter race to win by 17. This jumped out at me. Am I seeing shadows, or is this of some potential significance? Thanks and good luck this weekend.
SR Vegas 9 months ago
MKB workouts : ------------- 2/02/31 Gulfstream Park Takes the Gold - 4F 0:48.40 Breezing - AnneM Santa Anita - dirt/fast Drill - 4F 0:49.20 Handily - Virgin Queen Palm Meadows - dirt /fast Right to Vote - 3F 0:35.60 Breezing - Tmonty ...A Bullet! Palm Meadows -Turf (dogs up) /firm Da Vinci - 5F 1:02.67 Breezing - Byanose ------------ 2/03/12 Palm Meadows - dirt/fast Souper Speedy - 4F 0:52.22 Breezing - Katieattherail Stat - 5F 1:00.70 Handily - Blackseabass ---------------------- MKB Entries: 250K 1 1/16M Sam F Davis at Tampa Bay tomorrow State of Play - owensized Ecabroni - TAZ Battled Hardened - Jeff T http://www.drf.com/race-entries/TAM/USA/2012-02-04/D/11 Good Luck ! Now, off to the Golf Course ! It's Cold & Windy today, but TBTA & Hubby here from the 'Windy City' so they are used to it :)
Virgin Queen 9 months ago
" i guess my only issue is that the*$130 deal*is still called the*$100 deal*." when it comes 2 selling a product 2 horse players truth in advertizment takes a backseat. btw, 9 out 10 horse players r probably telling their wifes 2 nite ( with a proud look on their face ) honey i was able 2 get the $100 plan for $130 VQ
Steve T 9 months ago
Curt V, Are you getting the message yet? Another who needs to sign up for the NHC. This pertains to most of you, because there are a whole bunch of horseplayers here who could have an impact on next years NHC. I will actually play the contest this year - probably because my wife watched this years NHC and called me a stronaching idiot for not being in the contest. Just off the top of my head I can come up with 20 names that belong there - Curt V? Van Savant? Annie? Cayman? Keith? Jonah? Laura? TBTA? BSB? Dick W? Ned Daly? NancyB? Caseyjeaux? Kelley Belles? Tencent? Pippen? Alfredo? Molesap? Blackstone? Mike A? There are probably three times that in reality. Seriously, we need to make an all out assault on this thing. We took 20% of the top ten in 2012; I think 40% sounds even better for 2013.
Van Savant 9 months ago
Uncle Steve; I play the contests. I am and have always been a member of the NHC tour (three or four years, I think.) I have come close to qualifying many, many times, but haven't done it yet. This past year (2011), because of the speed of my life and the growth of my kids (okay, and the strength of my marriage), I never really devoted the time to these contests. I only played the "free" ones, which are more difficult (more competitive), and I actually missed two or three other "free" contests. I expect to get back into playing these, and I also expect to be in Las Vegas for the finals. It just hasn't happened yet. But to your larger point, yes, there are twenty people off the top of our heads who should be playing, and dozens more that our pea-brains can't recall.
Alan 9 months ago
VQ, Yes, you might say I am a Beyer "truffle hog"! Blackseabass, It is not cheap! I have averaged a little over ~$1800/yr in NHC contest expenses X 5 yrs, ranging from $175 min to $3400 max...and I didn't make it that year! Also, up until this year I had received $0 in NHC winnings! Luckily, since I have already qualified for next year, other than for my $50 yearly Tour fee I will have no other NHC contest expenses for 2012. (Note: I also play XpressBet contests like Dime-A-Day which have a $25 entry fee but have other non-NHC daily cash prizes, so I don't count those.) Boy, was I lucky that the NHC was last Friday and not earlier today! I stunk today!
primo 9 months ago
ML at GP are so out of whack. Me thinks somebody around here talking to much about their A'S, B'S and C's ML system. They copped on to you. LOL. Loose lips sinks pk 6.
Annie 9 months ago
Primo, If you are talking about me, GP is not where I play. I honestly have no idea whether their M/L odds were ever any good. :) Annie
Taz 9 months ago
Annie - have you tried the new kiosk at Cby yet? You can get a entire card for $1.50 and a individual race for $.25. Seems to be cost effective way for the RTK type contests. Good luck in the contest taz
ALLEN POE 9 months ago
Curt V. I guess we all get lucky now & then.....LOL. Seriously.....great job on the hg, keep em coming.
stuckinarizona 9 months ago
Annie, Thanks for the update on Bro Francis. He's at the top of my watch list on account of his problems in the Cash Call. More troubles than a peck of pessimists (say that 10 times real fast).
Curt V. 9 months ago
Alan,{L.}>LoL........ I need to get this out 1st. I saw your comment on MW Frankestein's blog. Re:Dart Throwing.. When are these chalk happy players going to stop their mud slinging & luck comments you opined..& realize they are wrong ? Just be happy my man they keep playing. This way we keep hitting those longies...Handicapping ? I never heard of such a thing...LoL..Great job..Again.....They call it luck, I call it jealousy..They just can't do it.....
David M 9 months ago
HG GP Recap Ten Cents please put me down for zero. I know ….you had that penciled in already before the gates opened. 1). This was a very difficult race as many including Dan pointed out. 2) Finally some proof that first time starters do win for trainers outside of Baffert and Pletcher. For years I studied families and breeding on maidens. What I ended up playing was a lot of horses who had good bloodlines but just were not winning their debuts. They usually ended up in the winner’s circle within a few races but were not there regularly on the debut day. That is why turf racing works better for me. They get the debut education trip out of the way on dirt and then move to a “go” trip on turf where the breeding angle works (for me). Generally, I tend to avoid debut types because of tardy gate breaks and trainer intentions. This one, out of Dixie Union, had license to win early and certainly the $50,000 tag was a good spot. Like Dan the gap in works concerned, the 0-21 barn and regression in sales price combined to make for a stout cocktail to drink. Congrats to those that had the vision to go with Union Boss. 3) The dirt racing at GP was clearly dominated yesterday by speed. 6 races went wire to wire. Another one, the HG race, was won by a horse within ½ length. Posting late for HG has advantages but many of us are blessed to still have day work so we post early and in the blind. Had I seen the first 7 races I would have upgraded #1 and #10 but obviously would have still lost just for another reason. 4) No offense intended for those who liked #8 but for me horses like Starship Sabrina #8 are easy tosses for win honors. I really take a jaded view of horses who have ran 6-8 times without winning especially if they are not on a major class drop or have not run par figs that can win it. After 4 starts I tend to see diminishing returns and I just avoid. They all win sometime/somewhere I am just not on board for the $7-$8 price. These kind have enough run to get a slice and can be used for under’s but often fade a bit when the real running starts. Bet down from ML 6-1 to 3-1 she was an absolute toss as underlay of day for me. Being right does not mean a thing here as I could not find the winner either. Knowing who not to bet is one thing, knowing who to bet is another. Guess I may be making some progress after 38 years but I need to pick up the pace as the mortality tables are working against me. 5) I see Iadisernia Guiseppe claimed Caslainga. Ten vowels in the trainers name. I would love to know his middle name just for fun. It sure makes me appreciate the little things in life like writing my first name David a bit more. Back to Casalinga. I hope that pans out and will monitor. She has some speed and some black type in family. Maybe works out better in breeding shed than the track. Starship Sabrina was claimed for Kentucky Deep Pockets, Bruce Lunsford. All the best there Bruce. A good weekend of racing to all!
Annie 9 months ago
David M, In the "sometimes you can have too much information" category. Without Formulator, I was unaware that much higher prices had been paid for UNION BOSS. All I saw was that someone had paid 50K for him as a two-year-old, whereas others in this 50K maiden had been purchased for much less. So, to me, it looked like he could possibly be at least worth the level of this race. I chose him before Dan had put up his analysis, and just stuck with him. :) His break in the works worried me too, but his earlier speedy works still made him look better than most of the others. On the other hand, if Ron Zuercher had known about his chosen jockey's dismal record, he wouldn't have wasted Dan's money. LOL So you never know. :) Annie
p ensign 9 months ago
I'm pretty sure someone named gresham or grisham hit a $5 hg tri on the other thread...
ALLEN POE 9 months ago
p ensign, we might have rushed to judgement..... i think you are right, grisham had a $5 ex. Still congats to all who cashed.
ALLEN POE 9 months ago
Duh......that was $5 tri.
ALLEN POE 9 months ago
Just a couple thought's for today.....looks like i won't make it to the track today, snow is really starting to pile up, maybe about a foot of the white stuff today. On the Wither's today, Alpha is going to be tough to beat....but i would have tried with How Do I Win, 10/1 ML. Pletcher seems to be winning all these race's In the RBL at Santa Anita....like Empire Way 6/1 ML. Might make a move forward today, then a nice ex box with Liaison. Be well today all............
blackseabass 9 months ago
I read on MW blog a comment from one of the qualifiers at NHC saying that it cost him $3000 to qualify . He said he finished in the top 100 ,but he didn't think he would try again this year. I'm not really hip when it comes to the contests so I'm not sure what kind of dough it takes to qualify ? Not trying to pry Alan ,but how much do you normally spend yr-yr to qualify ? If thats not being too invasive.
Virgin Queen 9 months ago
" btw, as an aside, i use Beyers differently as a multirace player vs a contest player. in contests, i almost ignore them... or try to use what i perceive as either falsely high vs low Beyers to my advantage." is the reason u ignore them because every 1 else will b using them( high Beyers ) which will water down the odds on that particular horse? thx VQ
C 9 months ago
Curt, That's nice. I'm glad you had a winner last year... and still feel the need to talk about it today. I stated my thoughts about BOH's "rail trouble" last year. Some didn't like it, but it's completely over now. But you feel the need to bring up constantly. Why? I have no clue. It's old already, Curt.
Laura 9 months ago
Alan, Thanks for the compliments on Algorithms pedigree profile. It seems Starlight Racing liked it too! Curt V, Belated congrats on winning the HG contest. Most of the time I'm either too busy or forget to play...or both. Steve T. Yeah, right. You want ME to pick ONE horse per contest? How about a Pick Five. Now THAT I can do, but only in maiden races! SOUTH FLORIDA FORMBLOGGERS: ThoroFan S. Florida Chapter is having their first meeting on Saturday, Feb. 11. at 11:00 AM at the Tiki Bar. Some of the special guests are: Jack Knowlton, Sackatoga Stable (FunnyCide) Nick Zito, Timothy Ritvo, President and General Manager of GP, Michael Nyman, Gulfstream Park Director of Marketing and Admissions & Michael Amo, the ThoroFan Chairman. If you RSVP with me by next week (Wednesday 2/8) I'll add you to the grandstand seating list for the races. lross@ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com PS - it's all free. Laura
Curt V. 9 months ago
Oh yeah!! C, I saw your comment..The only thing I'm gonna say about that is, Mikey & me hit that race hard & the exacta paid $241.00..That's right..Mikey & me teamed up...What can I say ? Slice & dice it anyway you want..You can win the argument, butts: me & Mikey won the cash........Ft. Lauderdale Stakes.........
Curt V. 9 months ago
Look people..I'm quite overwhelmed by all the kudos I'm getting on here.... So, Annie, Dick W., Firlong, BSB, Jeff T., jimi, SR Vegas, Keith L., meathead01, Steve T., Allen Poe, & God forbid, I missed anybody......It really means a lot & thanx..& I'll be back at you's....Some of you asked me some other stuff & I'm thinking.......so...TTYL....& thanx again.....I will say this though..I aint pulling them out of my ???......or a Crystal Ball.......It does take work.......
Alan 9 months ago
In this upcoming 8th race msw at the BigA, there are some interesting pedigree plays. #5 Charlestonian (th4 longest shot on the board) is FB to multiple stakes winner (including Acorn) and 3rd in the BC Juvie filly Cotton Blossom. Adds Blinkers today. #4 Bernie's Love is HB to multiple stakes winner and 2nd in Distaff Happy Ticket...not other super successful sibs after that...but is by Bernardini and going first time 2-turns. #7 Riboletti (the fav) is out of Eclipse winner Riboletta. #2 Acadian Blues is out of the to Distorted Humor. #8 Superestrella is out of an unraced dam who is HS to several French champions and a stakes producer. Where do I turn... Gotta try the 5, or is that the 4...the 5...the 4...the 5! OK, done for the day!
Alan 9 months ago
Ron, BTW, I am not ignoring you and the Beyer debate - it just opens up too many wounds and I don't have enough bandages to soak up the blood! BTW, as an aside, I use Beyers differently as a multirace player vs a contest player. In contests, I almost ignore them...or try to use what I perceive as either falsely high vs low Beyers to my advantage. I'm playing AQU today and Giant Moon's sib won 1st-out as a 5yo! Yes 5yo FTS. I like Admiral Perry in this upcoming race...
Alan 9 months ago
Curt V., Thanks! And congratulations on winning yet another HG! You really should join the Tour. You have an inate ability to choose winning longshots, very similar to LilChok...and could most definitely give him a run for his money next year...and then move me further down the Leaderboard! Oops...maybe you shouldn't join the NHC Tour after all! :-) Seriously, you should give it a try, as should others here as well!
stuckinarizona 9 months ago
Dan, anyone, Do you know the current status of Brother Francis, who ran third in the Cash Call. His latest work that I could find was on 1/5 at Santa Anita. What's going on????
C 9 months ago
Curt, There was nothing sneaky about it. Meatballs was the only one that got it right, imo, but the one-word response was all the attention that that discussion deserved. As for Battle of Hastings, who you love to mention continuously, why don't you actually WATCH the race from last year with a critical eye and tell me his trouble had ANYTHING to do with breaking from the rail.
okiesharp 9 months ago
S R Vegas I've learned more usefull stuff from this blog than from all the other sources I've tried. Last year I ask a question on this blog regarding recommendations for handicapping books and followed it up with "or should I just keep reading this blog?" Some of the blog members may have taken my comment out of context because I didn't get a warm fuzzy reply. I continue to read the blog & archives because I believe the information within it is priceless. In essence, you can't buy this kind of information nor find it in a book and that is what I was trying to imply when I made the comment of "or should I just keep reading this blog?" So, once again, I've answered my own question and that answer is: Keep reading the blog okie, there ain't any information out there any better than what's in "the blog".
Jeff T. 9 months ago
Mad shout out to Curt V. who appears to be on a HG roll as of late. I noticed in your proclamation that you also liked the #5. While your $25.00 exacta is mighty nice... can you imagine if you pulled the trigger on the $16.00 (7 w/2,,9 w/#5)? The $.50 tri was $457.15. Dude, you're on fire. I feel like e-mailing (I don't have it anyway) you and asking if you'd take me to the track w/you. I could use such a bump right now in this economy. Also, congrat.'s to Annie for her proclamation as well. Also, thanks for you continued due diligence on the MKB 3 year olds. I saw that my DRF Horse Watch sent me an e-mail regarding Battle Hardened being dual-entered at Gulfstream and Tampa Bay. I don't know WHAT Kenneally is thinking. I asked for some insight on my last post on this board {Formblog} and haven't gone back and read far enough back to see if there are any published thoughts on this. The connections are very strong and they must feel that he is likely to improve and has a better post position (at both tracks co-incidentally, he is drawn inside vs. the #11 hole in his last) to risk this manuever. In any event Annie, you are as fast and as accurate as DRF.com when it comes to reporting on the MKB's works and entries. Only someone who loves the horses (like we all do) could take on this "labor of love." The horses are one of my joys in life and I cannot imagine life without them. They are so beautiful to watch and studying their development is a real big time joy for me. When you see them "getting it" and they all of a sudden turn around and mature and figure out what they're being trained to do. Like watching that #6 horse in the Holy Bull last week end. That little brother is "getting it" in a big way and it is delightful to see it happen. I had a great weekend on the 29th) and hit three ten centers that were savers in my Luck Pick 6 first leg (all w/5 w/all w/4). I mean... where (or what) else can you spend $158.00 on three Pick 6 tickets and lose in the first leg and still walk away w/$735.00 for three tickets that were under $5.00 each? I cannot love this game any more than I do. Watching that #6 horse beat Hansen and cashing for $85.00 by betting against Hansen w/the 2,3,5,6 vs. the #4 (Hansen) w/2,3,5,6 w/the 2,3,5,6 = $12.00 for a $.50 Super. Doesn't it feel good to know the favorite's going down (but you don't know who is going to topple him) and you're way ahead w/house money from the day before... and you've waited patiently all day to bet $12.00 bucks to make (take out to ) dinner money for your significant other (wifey)? I love this game and love everyone that loves it like I do.
Ron Zuercher 9 months ago
TIME TO FIRE UP THE BEYER NUMBER DEBATE Algorithms Beyer raised from 98 to 105. Read here. http://www.drf.com/news/algorithms%E2%80%99s-holy-bull-beyer-changed-105 Apparently Andy Beyer is not happy with the timing system which has been in use for at least last year and this year, maybe longer at Gulfstream. So, he has apparently chosen to use the Trakus timing system for just this one race to justify raising Algorithms Beyer number. Algorithms was visually impressive and beat some decent horses. The track was labeled sloppy and sealed. The track had standing water on it but that water had been soaking in for some time. Sealing the track does not keep out the water, it slows it down. Water always wins. The Trakus system timed the race 1.08 seconds faster than the official timing system. I checked on 8 of the 11 races run that day and of the six dirt races I checked, Trakus timed five of them faster than the official system at each call. The only dirt race Trakus had slower was a maiden originally scheduled for the turf and each call was slower. The two races run on the turf, Trakus had each call slower than the official timing system. Curious? As far as I know, the starter pushes the button, the bell rings, the gates open and the timer starts. When the first horses nose hits the finish line the timer stops for the winner. Pretty simple. Trakus is a new system which I am not sure how the timing works, but it is just a bit suspicious when the turf timing is slower and the dirt timing is faster than the official system. Don't get me wrong. I like Trakus. It is a useful tool, even though every now and then from the overhead view the horses are running in the infield. It can use some work. But, I think Andy is wrong on this one. Just chalk it up to track conditions. Besides, I see many tracks that consistently run high Beyers, Aqueduct inner track for instance, and they do not translate at Belmont. Many horses run in the 90's at AQU inner and then run in the 70's at Belmont and it is not just horses for courses. Beyer numbers, like each piece of the handicapping puzzle, need to be taken with more than one grain of salt. By the way, gee thanks Dan, for waiting to inform me that the rider of the horse I picked in HG had only won once in his last 94 starts. Had I known that, I wouldn't have wasted your Dandy Dollars. Information is key and knowledge is power. And both of those will lead to a bigger bankroll.
Van Savant 9 months ago
Friends; I haven’t really handicapped much this year. Too busy with my daughter’s High School Swimming thing. It’s just been amazing. Lots of drama (duh!), but really, really cool. But I figured that with the League Championships this weekend (Friday prelims and Saturday morning finals) I would still be able to play Santa Anita Saturday afternoon. So I purchased my annual plan for Past Performances yesterday and printed out the card. As an aside…I always purchase the Public Handicapper $100 for 100 cards Plan. It’s the best deal going. Trouble is, the $100 Plan now costs $130, but hey…I don’t really care about the cost so much as I do that it is still called that. Each time I log in, I am reminded that I was deceived…but hey…that’s simply what it has come to I guess. But I digress… Then tonight, I am handicapping the card whilst sipping a powerhouse Zinfandel (full-bodied, fruit forward, somewhat acidic on the back, but packs a punch and finishes well), all the while watching the billions and billions of snowflakes falling from the night sky, when the phone rings. It’s the automated message system telling us that all schools are cancelled for tomorrow. So I get online, and sure enough, all of the metro-area schools are cancelled, including sports. I send a text to my daughter’s swim coach. He confirms to me that the prelims are cancelled for Friday, and the meet will be conducted all day on Saturday as a timed-finals event. The bad news is that I won’t be watching/wagering Santa Anita on Saturday. But the really, really good news is that my daughter went right to bed when we came home from practice. She has had a cold all week and has been nursing a bad shoulder since December, and it acted up on her again this afternoon during the mildest of practices (Dr. VS thinks it’s tension…) . As we drove home, I couldn’t help but think that she needed just one more day of rest. Well…she has it. I went down to her room and awakened her to tell her the news, and then I disarmed her alarm clock. She fell right back to sleep. Poor girl. Horse racing will have to wait another week or so. Poor dad (snort)! Late vs
Annie 9 months ago
MKB UPDATE: Tomorrow our MKB horses have three chances to earn some graded earnings. Odds are up for two of them: Grade 3 Withers at AQU: LONGCHAMP'S Alpha - EVEN money favorite STEPHEN TAYLOR'S King Kid 4-1 MEATHEAD'S Speightscity 20-1 ..................................................................... Grade 3 Sam Davis at Tampa Bay Downs: TAZ' Ecabroni 7-2 OWENIZED'S State of Play 4-1 JEFF T'S Battle Hardened 12-1 (because he's a maiden) JEFF'S horse is cross-entered in a MDSP at GP in which he is the 4-1 second favorite. Good luck everyone! Let's get some more graded earnings. Annie
Annie 9 months ago
Steve T, Well, thank you for including me. :) Actually, I am going to play a contest at Canterbury which starts tomorrow and runs for 14 Saturdays, culminating in Derby Day. Top prize for the overall winner is a trip to the NHC. There are weekly prizes along the way. And MKB races....er, three-year-old prep races earn double points, with the Derby itself earning triple points. :) It's one designated track each Saturday, $20 across the board on one horse in each race. And, guess what the first track is? SANTA ANITA! Double points for the four three-year-old preps. :) Of course, I am hoping that you will be putting up your SA selections for tomorrow. :) :) Annie
Annie 9 months ago
MKB UPDATE: Here's the big MKB match-up for tomorrow: Grade 2 Robert B. Lewis at SA: LAURA'S Liaison 9-5 Fav. ANDERSON'S Rousing Sermon 5-2 JEANNE'S Sky Kingdom 6-1 YOGI'S Empire Way 6-1 TENCENTCIELO'S Groovin' Solo 12-1 Good luck Thongs and Boxers! Annie
Annie 9 months ago
Stuckinarizona, BROTHER FRANCIS came down with a temperature and was scratched from a race in mid-January. I suppose they want him good and healthy before going on with him. Hopefully, it is nothing serious. Annie
Annie 9 months ago
Another MKB winner! Congratulations! to SR VEGAS for FESTIVE SPIRITS win today at Laurel. :) Annie
knm 9 months ago
Van Savant, Re the Public Handicapper forms - I have bought them for years, but I did think a $30 jump was a bit much. Do you really think they're the best deal? I've been trying to look up the drf plans, but I can't find a comparable one. So, should I get the PH forms as usual??
Van Savant 9 months ago
knm; Yes, I still think it is the best deal going. $1.30 a card? Yeah, I can handle that, definitely. That deal is the best one for me. And no, I don't care about the extra $30, as the Race of The Day and Our Benevolent Sponsor's PP's more than take the edge off. I guess my only issue is that the $130 deal is still called the $100 deal. Indeed.
Annie 9 months ago
Ned Daly, Regarding HOW DO I WIN: well, he was coming off a short layoff in the race he lost by 17 L. I suspect when it was obvious he was getting tired, JV didn't persevere with him. You notice though that losing by that much allowed them to bring him back in a MD50K without worrying much about him being claimed away. That he won in a laugher by 17-1/2 L. :) That also allowed him to be eligible for the ALW 50s, which he also won. Then right in a stakes, and tomorrow in a graded stakes. Strategy? Well, it is Pletcher. :) Of course, now he has MKBs to contend with. Too bad for him. Annie
Keith L. 9 months ago
Jeff T.: See my response on your questions on Battle Hardened on post 131 of the last thread, Jan 31st. No sweat it he goes to the Sam Davis! Steve T.: Do you see any of the speed horses going in the Lewis having a chance to stay the distance? If not, what do you think of Sky Kingdom's chances of being the first to pick up the pieces? Did Gomez hold that one off his stalking-pressing game in the Cash Call to his chances detriment? Does Garcia fit the horse better? Inquiring minds want to know! Keith L.
meathead01 9 months ago
10 cent O for me in the HG. ha I think this is becoming a habit in the hg. must rethink my approach to this. congrats to those that figured this one out for sure. MH01
meathead01 9 months ago
Jeff T isnt this a great way to spend your money this thing called horse racing. thanks for letting us in on your success at the track and keep it going. MH01
meathead01 9 months ago
Gulf Stream Park 2-3-12 1 mile turf MSW $51K #3 Strike It Green finnaly came to life after short rest for casse has speed to get away from most here but dont like the way she was outfinished in the stretch in last race she looked like she was a winner mid stretch and then hung late to get the place. today she will have to chase allegrezza and dont think she will go by her and wont have any thing left for the drive. #4 Allegrezza did get the lead in her first race a good sign but could not keep it going down the lane going longer than today. I think velazquez uses her early and goes right to the lead for this five year old mare. that was a good work at Pay on the 13th and trainer is 19% second out so think this is her race to lose. #6 Scenario Analysis came back from rest and had to steady on turn then made one move down the lane to get the show just behind Passionate Gold and think lezcano tries the same senario today laying off the speed and moving his filly into contention at the top of the stretch for best results today. #7 Passionate Gold O for seven is not encouraging to say the least but she does belong to new barn and they gave her a sprint to see what they had and now move her back to a route in 14 days and retain prado to ride. this gal is a lay back sort that does not have enough finish to get to the top as yet although that last turf had her in contention at the stretch turn only to steady and lose momentum and finish a close second. I think prado sends her today and will be part of the front three for sure. exacta key box #6/347 is the way Ill play this exciting race for the gals. good luck to all today MH01
Annie 9 months ago
MKB UPDATE: Let's all root for SR VEGAS and her horse, FESTIVE SPIRIT, at Laurel today! He's the 2-1 favorite and the only MKB in the race. :) Hey, CHAAZZ, Jeremy Plonk says your EL PADRINO is the winner of the Kentucky Derby if he makes it to the gate. :) BTW, his name means The Godfather. Annie
Keith L. 9 months ago
10c: I'll take a zero "0" for the HG this week, thank you very much. BSB: What's this about not watching the commercials...not even on SuperBowl Sunday? This year they are already advertising the new edition of the Pussycat Doll, complete with fresh "faces", although some are borrowed from previous groups such as Paradiso Girls and Girlicious. They are featured in a...what else....Go Daddy Girls commercial! Seeing you made nice the other day, I'll relate to you my own living situtation near some excellent fishing grounds. In the early 2000s, I rented an apartment in the house of a Portugeese fisherman in Portsmouth, RI (a small town above Newport and Middletown, RI. It had a couple of lovely decks overlooking a sizable inlet off the Sakaonett River basin of the joining of Buzzards Bay and Narragansett Bay. Within a few minutes walk, I had food farming fishing opportunities off a bridge for flounder mostly, highly productive during the tidal turns. A canoe was all it took to get me onto an unihabitated island in the inlet's waters where I could bait cast, and when bored with that, dig clams. In the Fall, a small set of decoys would bring in the mallards there where from a natural blind I could take a few for roast duck dinners at dawns early light. Of course, there were rock promonotories outside of Newport that lent themselves to spin casting for stippers and there were the party boats out of Middletown and Newport, but I did not frequent them often as I had pretty much what I wanted just steps away from my front door. Of course, every heaven has it's hell, and this one suffered in hot Summer months from a couple of biker bars just down the street that drew the bad crowd out of Fall River and New Bedford, MA that were leaned on by the Newport police (regulars and irregulars) whenever they tried to venture into their city limits. More than a few Friday and Saturday nights I was kept awake until well past 2:00AM with the egress past my abode of hellishly loud bikes. Still....it was a good couple of years there all considered! Keith L.
Keith L. 9 months ago
Curt V.: Big congrats to you on your apparent HG win, my man! And congrats to the runnerups and honorable mention formbloggers here who scored some too! As for today, I see that Vindication filly #2 Famous is going in the third race MSW for 3 yr old fillies at 1 mile on the Turf today at GP. 3-1 ML, so no value for you? However, perhaps more to your liking is the Vindication 3 yr old colt, #10 Vindiction Now going in the 6th at Oaklawn, a 1&1/16th MSW for 3 yr olds on the Main. Ron Moquett trained, and riden today by John Court, this one came running late 6 wide of a 2nd place finish last out here, and has put in a decent work coming off that effort for this one. The dam was a decent Allowance-Small Stakes runner with wins from 6f out to 1&1/16th on both dirt and turf. Could be a nice wager at ML 6-1 odds, and with Asmussen with a firster, and Lukas with the favorite in here, perhaps he'll go higher? Saw an interesting Health News article today...seems that walking one hour will net you two hours of increased life span! Seems like 2 to 1 odds ain't so bad a deal there now, hunnh? Back in the day, I used to walk 5 or 6 miles a day to decompress after work. I used to enjoy running with the horses down the rail from the top of the stretch towards the finish line at Rockingham Race Track, and at the old Longacres Racetrack before that...but that is the only running I used to do. Used to be a beach walker, but also enjoyed some variety with walks on the Cape Cod Canal and in wildlife management areas in Southern New England in the late 90s and early 2000s, and the Olympia and Tacoma waterfronts, and adjacent wildlife management areas in Washington State in the late 80s and early 90s. Haven't done much of that since a foot injury and surgery in 2005 however. But I'm rethinking...the 2-1 odds might get me a little farther down the road to see a few more years of Triple Crown trail racing if I get back to it! Keith L.
joecem 9 months ago
hg as i finally cashed in one of these exercises, i took a quick look thru everyone's picks... it is just amazing how many among us had this thing...
Dick W 9 months ago
Ron Z, BSB, Ned Daly Thanks for your posts regarding PH, discipline, handicapping process and wagering strategies. All good stuff. I said in my last post that I still have fun and enjoy the handicapping process even though I am not one of the better handicappers on the blog. I will add to that statement, by saying that cashing a ticket is WAY more fun than not cashing a ticket. So if having fun is one of my goals (which it is) then improving my handicapping skills will hopefully lead to cashing more tickets which equates to having more fun. Right ? Basically I am an old dog trying to learn new tricks. And I have learned a lot since becoming involved in this blog thanks to folks like yourselves and all the many others who contribute to this fantastic forum. Dick W
jimi 9 months ago
Posted by Dick W Ron Z, BSB, Ned Daly Thanks for your posts regarding PH, discipline, handicapping process and wagering strategies. All good stuff. I said in my last post that I still have fun and enjoy the handicapping process even though I am not one of the better handicappers on the blog. I will add to that statement, by saying that cashing a ticket is WAY more fun than not cashing a ticket. So if having fun is one of my goals (which it is) then improving my handicapping skills will hopefully lead to cashing more tickets which equates to having more fun. Right ? Basically I am an old dog trying to learn new tricks. And I have learned a lot since becoming involved in this blog thanks to folks like yourselves and all the many others who contribute to this fantastic forum. Dick W I couldn't have said it better, only add many more names. Thank you all for all your various contributions, indeed. Curt V>>>Waytogoagain. I've felt that nagging question. Sometimes it's not a trap, it's just win, baby. Way to ferret it out. Keiber Coa took off the winner of the last @ Gulfsream because "he's moving his tack to Santa Anita". He's got a mount there just before the Super Bowl in the last on Sunday. Looks like he's still getting the 10# allowance but I haven't seem him ride. Opinions?
Ned Daly 9 months ago
Dick W Having fun. No better reason. When this game stops being fun, none of you will ever hear from me again because I will have quit the races already. Good luck to all this weekend. I hope to go to Aqueduct for The Withers on Saturday. Will try to get some photos of the MKB horses. Post time is late and there may not be a lot of light. If I have anything worthwhile, I will let folks know.
Blackseabass 9 months ago
CurtV, :-) Did you get lucky again ??? :-) WTG Goatman . Downhillalertgoatman 2,8,5
Dick W 9 months ago
Curt V You did it AGAIN ! Nice job my man. This is getting to be a habit with you. Bochalls Nice job by you as well ! Annie You did indeed have the winner. Wtg. Congrats to any others who cashed. Dick W
joecem 9 months ago
Tencent you can put me down for 858 plus scratches....not enough anyway thanks
blackseabass 9 months ago
Alan , its no sweat . I've read him and Lauren too. Bruno de Julio is good at what he does . My little Bro likes to listen to The Roger Stein show on Radio . I've heard Bruno on there talking racing and he has some good insight. You being a Virginian I'm not sure if you remember the T-shirts walking around at SA that said ,Who Framed Roger Stein ? on them. :-) One of his horses tested positive for Coke. Who's gonna give a horse coke on purpose. They want the horse to go paranoid on them !!! LOL. I didn't think you were harsh.:-) Probably because I'm so harsh I can't tell the difference :-) Congrats to you one more time.
p ensign 9 months ago
"I can't imagine anyone paired him up with Great Chance." there's also a $5 tri on the other thread...
firlong 9 months ago
curt v.--great bet!!!--excellent payoff--my hero!!
peter kreutzer 9 months ago
HG 269 #5 drops in the bet $ .10 super box 5/ 1 9 10 6 $ 2 tri 5 /1 9
nancyb 9 months ago
Nothing in this race really jumps out at me as a viable angle. I don't know the Florida circuit trainers well enough to identify any sweet spots, which would be my only reason to bet this sort of race with my own money, but since Dan is paying here goes. #1 Both parts of the entry look like they may have talent- whichever or both are automatic includes. #2 Is bred to be speedy top and bottom and reunites with Rocco who got a better performance out of her one back. The hope is that the race will be over before she has time to consider backing up. #8 Seems to have a little promise, given that breaking slowly gave her the opportunity to pass a few horses in last. Hope she sits back again and gets brave. Over #5Class dropper and trainer upgrade #12 Look for a little late run from one bred to route and a jock who seems to get some run out of almost anything he rides $1 Trifecta 1,2,8/1,2,5,8,12/1,2,5,8,12 = $36 $3 Exacta 1,2,8/1,2,5,8,12 = $36 $10W $4PS #8=$18
Annie 9 months ago
FINALLY, the entries for the GR3 Sam Davis are up. Three MKBs have entered the race: OWENIZED'S State of Play TAZ' Ecabroni JEFF T'S Battle Hardened Jeff's horse is also entered in a MDSP at GP, so it remains to be seen where he will run. I suppose the trainer is weighing his chances on whether he thinks his maiden can beat those entered in the Sam Davis. Good luck everyone! Annie
TurfRuler 9 months ago
HG 269 $2.50 superfecta 5-8-10 // 5-8-10 // 1-2-9 // 1-2-9 Total $90 Straight maiden into maiden claimer.
Molesap 9 months ago
HG GP I wrote this before I read the blog and it seems that many of my comments are eerily similar that of many – especially Dan and David M (which I obviously felt were both very insightful). However, I can’t seem to get as excited as Dan about a 1:04 gate workout where 40 other horses of 64 worked faster. Of course I will need to apologize to Mr. Illman when his horse rolls to an easy win. As usual, I had originally settled on the same pick as Alan, but with the scratch ended actually going a different way. I think given the theme from the weekend, I’ll end up going with a “Lil Chok” in my bet and use the favorite who will have to be less than 2-1. Casalinga – Fawkes tends to be slightly better with horses the second time out compared to their debut, so it would be reasonable to expect Casalinga to improve off her debut, which makes her extremely dangerous here. She has the highest last out Beyer by far and the only other horse that exceeds that figure was Donate’s debut. A repeat of that performance may be good enough to get her into the winners circle. Has the necessary speed to get position at this distance, but the one negative is the inside post which has not been that good at GP in sprints. Does get bumped up in class, but seems to have a landed a relatively weak field for this level so it may not be such a big jump. However, Fawkes has not been too successful in the recent past with this type of double jump move, but her entry mate who subsequently scratched did finish second with a similar jump in class last time. Donate – Fired pretty big in her debut, but has not lived up to that promise. Took an awful lot of money the last two while showing speed and then faltering. Speed figures fairly weak, even for this level which is troublesome considering his odds. DiVito has not had the same success at GP this meet that he has on his Illinois home circuit and his overall record lifetime at GP is even worse. Since she will likely end up the second favorite there will be not much value especially considering the rail has not been favorable and she has already been beaten by two other ones in here. While her tendency to get into races early and the slight cutback in distance will help some, she does not seem much better than many of these so she is tough endorse at this price. Anything close to her debut should put her in the hunt, but the last three do not indicate that type of performance is forthcoming. Emma's Encore – Has been off for over three months and gets her third trainer and fourth track for only her fourth lifetime start. She did not really show much in straight maiden races on the Midwest circuit. She has shown a bit of speed, but really hasn’t been that close the early lead and previously faded in all of her starts. Perhaps she has matured a bit in the intervening time off but her works don’t inspire confidence and Jerkins does not have a very strong record for over 90 days off (10%). In addition, he has an average first time trainer record (13%). Perhaps she has some upside on the maturing/progression aspect, but even with projected improvement (which may not happen) she still does not make the list. So Vogue – Love this trainer who seems to have high percentages and positive ROI’s in many categories – except maidens. He’s still decent in maiden races overall, but not at the 30% plus rates he is in some of the other categories. So given his high percentage of winners, you would expect him to be excellent with debut horses. Well, his last first time starter to win was July 9, 2009. In his defense he does not start many in that category, but that statistic surprised me when I was looking to include him on my debut trainer list. In addition, he was pretty decent a few years back with debut horses, but just not recently. This leaves me in a bit of a quandary as I do not know which way to go in terms of the trainer. What about the horse? The works are not fast, but the last two look good enough for this field. The sire is only running at a 5% clip in terms of debut wins, so that is not positive and all of the works have been at CRC, which I don’t like that much either. Given the mixed trainer feelings and the negative first time starter information on the horse itself, I will reluctantly leave her out, but I always have a tough time ignoring Ziadie and often regret when I do. Union Boss – First time starter that is well bred with a few good works, especially in late December. Sire is about 11% with debut horses, but trainer is only about 5% with debut horses if you look at the last couple of years. Given that the field seems pretty anemic, a decent first time starter would have a big chance. Have not liked Prado on a horse for the past few years, so I’m not enthralled with the connections. In addition, having only three works and 14 furlongs of work in January makes me think the horse will be a bit short. Has a chance despite my misgivings. Starship Sabrina – Has a 6-0-1-3 lifetime record, but has yet to crack the 60 Beyer level. Picked up the place money last time after dropping into a maiden claimer. Seems more like a plodder and the 5.5 furlong trip may not be her strong suit. Last time is her first race out of her six lifetime starts where she made up lengths in the stretch. Perhaps breaking slowly is the key for her. Great Chance – Finished fourth in a common race behind Donate and Starship Sabrina, but she seems to have the most upside as it was only her first start. Blinkers go on for the first time and the CRC works are good enough. May improve the second time out. Why Should I – That’s what I thought when I looked at this horse. First two tires in straight maidens were not competitive, but she drops here. Trainer does not win that often, but he puts over big prices every now and then, especially in these types of races. Still seems up against it with the drop, so the answer to the question is probably you shouldn’t. Cosmic Energy – Hot Timothy Hills saddles this first timer, but his strengths are not in this area. In addition, the 4% sire debut stats don’t inspire confidence either. Has been working every 6-8 days, but I’ll pass here. Ms. Tiznow – Of the first time starters, trainer has the best win percentage by far. Well bred, but hung out the extreme outside for debut is not a great place to be. Certainly has a chance, but the outside may be her undoing. $60 EX 1/7 $40 EX 7/1
hialeah 9 months ago
Short and sweet as the last post didn't appear to go thru. $50 EX Box 1-8 (100 total) HG 269 Good Luck
p ensign 9 months ago
$50 ex. 2 with 9,10 Donate's first could win this, other two in for sloppy seconds?
bobc 9 months ago
HG 269 #1 Casalinga Speed good enough to get to the front. Moving up in class but figures to improve 2nd time out. # Union Boss Has some decent works on the track back in December. Looking for her to run to those works. Wager: $100 ex: 1/ 7 $100
Virgin Queen 9 months ago
Alan&Stringmail thx 4 the feedback VQ
TheVanGogh 9 months ago
HG 269 Casalinga ran impressively first out in 25k company, but the top three were all FTS and could prove to be of better quality than that tag. Very solid work in the interim and the cut back to 5 1/2 make her a big threat. Starship Sabrina was away slowly when trying to close into a slow pace. She fared well in SpWt company and has the speed to keep herself involved and not lag to far back at this distance. Great Chance goes 2nd out for Pinchin, who strikes at 19% in that category. Took his fair share of money last time, adds blinkers, and has logged two improved breezes since. Another who will benefit from the turnback. $50 Tri 1/8,9/8,9
amangini 9 months ago
HG Taking the drop-downs... $75 win 5 $25 Exacta 5-10 Good luck, all!
Bullet Bob 9 months ago
Hg play $10 tri box 1 2 12 $20 wp 12
Curt V. 9 months ago
HG269@the Gulf, I keep having to answer the question why a 1st time starter in a Maiden Claimer for the 1st time ? vs. a MSW ? They say he/she must not be that good then. Well, I see it as, why then all the other horses then ? Okay so......... #7 Union Boss>>works, works, works...Good breeding..Speed holding today..... #2 Donate>>speed, speed, speed... #9 Great Chance>Double Slewster, mixed w/the Doctor on the bottom.....Odds, odds....... I'd like to add some others, butts:I'm about out of money.......like the #5..... $25 Exacta Box>#7 WITH/#2 & #9=$100.00..........
Annie 9 months ago
I take that back! CURT V did indeed put Union Boss and Great Chance together in an exacta. Did you go and win again, Curt? But, like I said, at least I picked the winner. :) Annie
Annie 9 months ago
CAYMAN!! I am so glad to hear that you are coming back in with us and back in the game. I thought you had been eaten by a...well, cayman. We've missed you. Welcome back! Annie
Annie 9 months ago
This is going to make C really Cranky. :) Years ago, and for many years in a row, the way to get the Derby Winner was to find the horses that were weighted within ten pounds of the highweight on the Experimental Free Handicap for their two-year-old year and who also had a dosage index of less than 4.00. These were called Dual Qualifiers. Often there were only two or three Dual Qualifiers in the Derby gate, and they were likely to even come in together in the exotics. This hasn't worked so well in recent years, but since we're running the dosage experiment along with the MKB this year, I thought I would look and see if we had any dual qualifiers among the MKB horses. Well, I'm happy to report that of the 14 horses weighted within 10 pounds of the highweight, 13 of them are MKBs. :) Of those, 11 are also dual qualifiers. 126 DANNY B'S Hansen (3.50) LAURA LAWDUCK'S Union Rags (2.14) 124 JERRY'S Creative Cause (1.43) 120 DICK W'S Currency Swap (3.00) LAURA'S Liaison (3.00) 119 MSD'S Dullahan (4.20) DAVID H'S Majestic City (11.00) ANDERSON'S Rousing Sermon (2.60) 118 LONGWAYTOMAY'S Gemologist (2.73) ALEX F'S Secret Circle (2.53) 116 TURNBACKTHEALARM'S Brother Francis (1.40) VIRGIN QUEEN'S Drill (2.27) CAPT. RON'S Sabercat (2.73) All are Duel Qualifiers except Dullahan and Majestic City. So, we'll see how this works out in this year's Derby. Of course, the Experimental Free Handicap rates them as two-year-olds and early talent was apparent in many, if not most, of the Derby winners and runners-up. In recent years, though, there have been several winners that were not all that impressive at two, or had barely started at two, that have won the Derby, so there is hope for all us MKB owners. :) Annie
meathead01 9 months ago
Curt V add another bomb to your arsenal my friend great pick on union boss @$19 bucks and then you tie with great chance way to go curt another notch in your pistola. MH01
Mike V 9 months ago
$40 win 8 $15 exacta 8/9,10,11,12
Bochalls 9 months ago
HG Entry $100 win on #7
Molesap 9 months ago
BSB, There seems to be a trend in using handicappers and not getting the name right on promotions. I received an e-mail from Thoro-Graph yesterday regarding our resident winner of the NHC. The advertisement also appears on the front page of their website: "Congratulations to Thoro-Graph Customer Michael Beychok on his dramatic win in NHC XIII." (OK seems like a nice start). However, just below that: "To win today and compete in these contests I believe the player needs to have information that 90% of the market does not have to find value. So yes, I use a lot of different sources for data but my sole source for speed figures is Thoro-Graph and that will not change" -- Michael Beychock (oops where did we get that extra C). You would think that given he is the biggest name in the sport for the week AND that the two appear right next to each other, someone would notice and fix it.
stuckinarizona 9 months ago
Today's HG: $50 Xacta Box 6/12
dale tillotson 9 months ago
Dan system not working I try to submit my picks again here. $100.00 win #5 in HG 269
Anderson 9 months ago
HG 269 1- Casalinga Best on debut effort protected with the doubled claim price. 10- Why Should I Knows the short sprint pace and exits Special Weight contests. 6- So Vogue Top percentage trainer opts for jock with bug and lightest price allowed in first start for this homebred. HG Wager: $15 EX Box 1-6-10 $10 EX 1 with 6
Barry Shelton 9 months ago
HG269 $60 towin #2 $20 ex 2-5 $20 tri 2-5-1
jimi 9 months ago
HG Like Dan's analysis re: #6 So Vogue and think Zaidie will be putting his best "foot" forward for new client Pia Maria Kirkham. Manuel Wayar and Manoel Cruz are back together and look live with #10 Why Should I. Both opt for the 2lb break, to me, more of a psychological than physical edge. I'll take both. $50 Exacta Box 6/10 David M..Always enjoy your analysis and takes on all things horse and believe your oft mentioned HG drought could well end today.
Ray Simpson 9 months ago
First time up and I didn't put the HG up on my comments. Hopefully this will do it. HG 269 play $4 Superfecta box 1-2-5-8 ($96) $2 Exacta Box 2-8 ($4)
Annie 9 months ago
HG 269: Well, at least I picked the winner: #7 UNION BOSS :) My $4.00 win bet returned $38.40, unfortunately, BOCHALLS jumped in with $100 to win on the 7. I wouldn't be surprised if that won it; I can't imagine anyone paired him up with Great Chance. But, who knows, poor TenCent will have to figure that out. :) Annie
Dick W 9 months ago
HG269 - Gulfstream R8 Not too much love for first time starter #12 due to ordinary works and outside post, but I like the pedigree and don't see any world beaters in here, so she wouldn't have to be that great to take this one. So I will use her like this: $40 win/place 12 ($80) $10 ex 1,8/12 ($20) Good luck to all ! Dick W
Ray Simpson 9 months ago
I wonder how much better #8 Starship Sabrina woud have run had she not stumbled at the start last time. The only one of the previous MSW's that was competitive as a MSW (three thirds). With a clean break, probably gone against these. #2 Donate is another last race trouble horse that should improve with a clean break. The fact she was favored in her last race indicates that the crowd thought she was clearly the best of the field. Trainer won a fourth of his races last year and is slow getting started at meet, but today might be the turnaround day. #1 Casalinga. Hard to overlook a horse with the highest Beyer in the field. Fact that after being passed she tried to come back shows that she has some heart. Normally would believe that horse rising in class from 25K to 50K would not have much of a chance, but stallmate 1A Chambord Castle (scratched) went from 25 K to 50 K and improved Beyer by 12 while being just as competitive registering another second. #5 Emma's Encore is dropping out of the MSW ranks for the first time, but was within 4 of the lead at the stretch call in both of her previous and after stumbling at start in last. Often heard that dropping out of MSW to claiming is the most powerful move among claimers. Bet: $4 Superfecta Box 1-2-5-8 ($96) $2 Exacta Box 2/8 ($4)
okiesharp 9 months ago
Due to scratches change my wager to HG269 2-2-12 $1 Superfecta 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 10 = $18 $1 Superfecta 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 10 / 1, 5, 8 = $18 $1 Superfecta 1, 5, 8 / 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 10 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 = $18 $1 Superfecta 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 10 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 = $18 $1 Trifecta 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 10 / 1, 5, 8 / 1, 5, 8 = 24 $1 straight Exacta 1 over 8 = $4
Alan 9 months ago
blackseabass, No problem. I came on too harsh to you last night and over-read into your comment. I cut my teeth handicapping reading columns and books from guys like Steve D and am more likely to give him a pass on things. And thanks again for your rooting me on in the tournie!
Joe L. 9 months ago
handi 269 picks $20 Win/Place 12 $30 Win/Place 5