07/07/2011 4:49PM

Flat-Out Fabulous, Nashoba's Excess, Hogy

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*A healthy FLAT OUT is a tiger.  The problem is keeping him healthy. 

A five-year-old son of Flatter that has been limited to nine lifetime starts due to various physical problems (quarter cracks, fractured shoulder), Flat Out was the kind of horse that frustrated handicappers.  Sure, he had talent, but his inability to change leads at crucial points often cost him major awards.  In the Grade 2 Suburban Handicap, however, Flat Out made his final switch on cue and then powered away to a 113 Beyer score. 
It was a much-needed performance for a handicap division that has been criticized due to a lack of depth and quality.  Flat Out didn't beat much in the Suburban, but he didn't beat much the right way, stalking a moderate pace while four wide before taking command for good at the head of the Belmont stretch. 
The win puts him in the mix as one of the top older males along with TWIRLING CANDY (expected to go heavily-favored in Saturday's Hollywood Gold Cup), Met Mile winner TIZWAY, FIRST DUDE (also entered in the Gold Cup) and SIDNEY'S CANDY.  These horses have all shown glimmers of brilliance, but haven't been overly consistent.  Hopefully, an older male will string several good races together and bring some clarity to the division.

*It seems that COURAGEOUS CAT is back.  The runner-up in the 2009 Breeders' Cup Mile missed most of his 4-year-old campaign, but is now undefeated in two graded stakes starts this season.  In the Grade 1 Shoemaker Mile at Hollywood Park, Courageous Cat calmly stalked the pace of LIBERIAN FREIGHTER, put that one away with ease on the final turn, and then withstood a stern challenge from the solid CARACORTADO.  Courageous Cat was merely hand-ridden for the last eighth of a mile despite having Caracortado hanging on his flank.  The win vaults him to the top of the American turf milers, but the European shadows loom large with GOLDIKOVA, CANFORD CLIFFS and FRANKEL waiting in the wings.

*It's never too early to get excited about the babies and Todd Pletcher unveiled a promising one last week.  OVERDRIVEN, a $200,000 weanling that pinhooked for $350,000 the following season, won his five-furlong debut at Belmont with a 100 Beyer Speed Figure.  Owned by Repole Stable, Overdriven is a half-brother to multiple Grade 2 winner Smooth Air by Tale of the Cat. 

*The legendary Allen Jerkens looks to have a late-developing 3-year-old in the beautifully-bred BOLD WARRIOR.  By Bernardini out of multiple Grade 1 winner Hollywood Wildcat, Bold Warrior is a half to several stakes runners including Breeders' Cup Mile winner War Chant.  Bold Warrior took a seven-furlong, entry-level allowance at Belmont without much fuss and seems ready for stakes competition.

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Here are the top 25 Winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's races (6/27-7/3):

1.  FLAT OUT - 113 - Suburban Handicap (G2) - 1 1/8 Miles - Belmont
2.  SMILING TIGER - 112 - Triple Bend Handicap (G1) - 7 Furlongs (Cushion Track) - Hollywood
3.  FLASHPOINT - 104 - Jersey Shore Stakes (G3) - 6 Furlongs - Monmouth
4.  CANDYMAN E - 103 - Clm 40000(40-35)N1X - 6 Furlongs - Delaware
4.  COURAGEOUS CAT - 103 - Shoemaker Mile (G1) - 1 Mile (Turf) - Hollywood
6.  CARBONITE - 103 - Clm 50000(50-45) - 6 Furlongs (Cushion Track) - Hollywood
6.  KENSEI - 103 - Salvator Mile (G3) - 1 Mile - Monmouth
6.  OVERDRIVEN - 100 - Md Sp Wt 58k - 5 Furlongs - Belmont
6.  TEAKS NORTH - 100 - United Nations Stakes (G1) - 1 3/8 Miles (Turf)
10. DON CAVALLO - 98 - Dominion Day Stakes (G3-C) - 1 1/4 Miles (Polytrack) - Woodbine
10. DOMINUS - 98 - Dwyer Stakes (Grade 2) - 1 1/16 Miles - Belmont
10. TAMARIND HALL - 98 - Bed 'O Roses Handicap (G3) - 7 Furlongs - Belmont
13. IMMORTAL EYES - 97 - Chesapeake Stakes - 6 Furlongs - Colonial
14. FUTURE PROSPECT - 95 - OC 62k/N2X - 6 1/2 Furlongs - Churchill
14. ROMACACA - 95 - Miss Liberty Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - Monmouth
16. BOLD WARRIOR - 94 - OC 75k/N1X -N - 7 Furlongs - Belmont
16. COOL C NOTE - 94 - OC 80k/N3X -N - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - Arlington
16. FORTUNE PLAY - 94 - Roxelana Stakes - 7 Furlongs - Churchill Downs
19. DEVIL BY DESIGN - 93 - Chicago Handicap (G3) - 7 Furlongs (Polytrack) - Arlington
19. HOUR BY HOUR - 93 - Dale Baird Memorial - 5 1/2 Furlongs - Mountaineer
19. LEROY'S DYNAMEAUX - 93 - OC 62k/N2X -N - 1 Mile (Turf) - Hollywood
19. TRIP FOR A. J. - 93 - Liberada Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles - Calder
19. WESTERN ROSES - 93 - Alw 29358N1X - 1 1/16 Miles - Pleasanton
24. AMERICAN LADY - 92 - Alw 61032N1X - 6 1/2 Furlongs (CUshion Track) - Hollywood
24. ELLAFITZ - 92 - OC 62k/N2X -N - 1 1/16 Miles (Cushion Track) - Hollywood
24. ETERNAL RULE - 92 - Achievement Stakes - 6 FUrlongs (Polytrack) - Woodbine
24. GALLANT SON - 92 - Robert K. Kerlan Memorial Handicap - 6 Furlongs (Turf) - Hollywood
24. NO SUITCASES - 92 - OC 25k/N2X - 5 Furlongs - Penn National
24. RYAN'S GIFT - 92 - Alw 25000NC - 1 Mile 70 Yards - Finger Lakes
24. SLEVIN - 92 - OC 50k/N2X -N - 1 1/16 Miles - Belmont
24. SPORTY - 92 - Alw 62649N2X - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - Churchill

Flat Out's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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*Hi Dan-
I loved Nashoba's Key... Carla Gaines was training another "Nashoba" horse (forget the exact name) - but I haven't seen anything since the first race or two... Can you tell me what happened?
Thanks alot!
*Hi Dan-
Nashoba's Excess was the name of the horse I was interested in finding out the status of.... (sorry for not havig the full name in my previous email).
Thanks again, for always being the one we can turn to with questions!
Tina

NASHOBA'S EXCESS last ran on July 5, 2010, winning a one-mile maiden special weight on the grass.  She had not shown a published workout since September 9. 
In an e-mail, trainer Carla Gaines wrote that "She has been taken out of training due to a hind end lameness.  She is now in foal to Birdstone."

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Dan,
Crist and Watchmaker think the fillies should have their own Triple Crown series. I think,
they do. The present Triple Crown is open to both fillies and colts....what do you think?
Paul

I briefly touched upon the subject in the May 19 blog:'

"I know that the "Filly Triple Crown" concept is dead and buried, but it was always a regionalized series, based in New York around the Acorn, Mother Goose and Coaching Club American Oaks.

At present, we have fillies prepping seriously for the Kentucky Oaks, giving that one the college try, and then being freshened for races like the Alabama at Saratoga over the summer.

Perhaps a combination of the Kentucky Oaks, Black-Eyed Susan, and Mother Goose, all contested at nine furlongs, would make for an exciting Filly Triple that would keep the good sophomore ladies interested during the late spring.

A little bonus money wouldn't hurt, either."

I like the idea of a series for 3-year-old fillies.  Heck, I like a series of races for all of the divisions.  Put up some bonus money, make a point system for top three finishes and give the cash to the horse with the highest point total at the end of the year.

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Dan
What is a net?
Ned Daly

I had never heard of it until Ms. Wolfendale pointed it out in the paddock.  GIANTS PLAY seems like a flighty filly and was rank in her most previous race.  From what I can gather, the net sits on a horse's nostrils and helps them settle.

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Dan,
I'm wondering how you treat horses like Shrewd Operator the next time they race. In other words, a horse whose last race produced a Beyer 20 or more points higher than his/her career best. Do you throw out the race and mark it down to the stars aligning? Do you cut the number by a specific amount or cut it down to the horse's previous high? Clearly the horse had a great race, but a 7yo does not suddenly become Grade I caliber.
Mike

Mike, that's a great question.  SHREWD OPERATOR is a wonderful horse to take a stand for or against...depending on his price.  If he is thrown to the wolves in a graded stakes race, it's possible that the horse will be bet to underlay status based on one huge number.  In that case, you may want to disregard the one race and look at his total body of work as he faces tougher horses.  Conversely, if he is ignored in the wagering against better competition, you may want to give him an exotics chance at a good price.  Value must be your guide, no matter what. 
Let's say he shows up in a similar spot as the last race.  He would likely be pounded into heavy favoritism.  If you don't believe that he will duplicate the most recent run, you will get a great price on his opposition.
Shrewd Operator has always had talent.  Unfortunately, he's also been plagued by injuries.  Is a healthy Shrewd Operator good enough to beat the top dogs in a loaded division?  It's too early to tell.

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Love your segments with Mike Beer on weekly stakes races.Read your
book on handicapping maidens. are you currently working on any new books...
Wayne Mitchell

Thanks for the kind words, Wayne.  I don't have anything in the works for now, but Mike and I will keep on trucking all year long with our free stakes videos on drf.com.  With Saratoga around the corner, I'm planning on doing my annual "Spa Babies" column that highlights the 2-year-old races at the Spa.

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Hi Dan,
Great pick in the Bed O' Roses. Didn't that Handicap used to run at Aqueduct? I can recall my first trip to the Big A back in the 70's and seeing that race.
With Saratoga not too far away I was wondering if you could locate the PP of Whitmore's Conn who won the Sword Dancer in 2003.
Thanks as always for all your hard work and insight!
Bill M.

The Bed O' Roses was most recently run at the Big A back in 2009 when Seattle Smooth scored under Ramon Dominguez. 
Whitmore's Conn's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.

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...heads up about a 2 year old colt called HOGY. Two races 2 nice wins. HE is out of OFFIEE WILD by WILD AGAIN. Any info would be okay.
THANKS SWEDE.

HOGY is a gelded son of Offlee Wild (won the Grade 1 Suburban at 10 furlongs) out of Floy (0-1 lifetime) by Petionville.  The Offlee Wild - Petionville breeding 'nick' has also produced HEAVENVILLE, a multiple stakes-winner of $252,761.  This is the female family of multiple stakes-winner Fortunate Facts (30-7-4-7, $202,949) and Grade 3 winner General Royal.
Hogy was foaled in Kentucky on March 22, 2009, sold for $17,000 as a short yearling in January of 2010 and is trained by Joel Berndt.  He won his debut in an off-the-turf maiden special weight going five furlongs on the Arlington polytrack on June 11 with a 72 Beyer and followed that up with an entry-level optional claiming score at five furlongs with an 85 Beyer.  The Arlington-Washington Futurity may be a potential medium-range target.

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Congrats to Spartan Tom for finishing first in last week's HandiGambling exercise.  This week's race is the eighth race at Belmont on Saturday.

PAST PERFORMANCES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS BLOG POST.

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan."

Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified.

Please post your plays and analysis to the blog.

Please separate the play from the analysis and label the play "HG" with the program numbers (instead of the horse's name) for easier scoring.

In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please.

I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

Best of luck to all

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SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Laura I'm glad your Dad is okay. It's tough when they get older, and we become more responsible for them. You are a wonderful daughter to both your parents. Thanks for the heads up on the Blue Thong horsie 'Katie get excited' catchy name :) Stevie Wonderboy ...great potential, short career. Traver's mare Sky was bred to him this 2011 season. SKY also has Sky Above (2009), Colt - Artie Schiller in training. Then Travers purchased her with foal 'Skype' (2010) Filly - Parading and bred her back. Faith (2011) Filly - Parading Now Stevie Wonderboy ! I look forward to seeing her progeny run. If anyone is interested, Travers has a terrific "journal' of his experiances and adventures into first time owenship, the horse racing industry, college and working towards a goal of being in the industry. Which he has. It's worth a look. http://reachingforroses.wordpress.com/ PS...Thank you for leaving the Chat room open, we left it nice and tidy :) ---------------------- Curt V Ha-ha-ha-ha! If you look up Multitasking in the dictionary, you may see my picture ...lol! It was fun chatting with you in Laura's chat room with Anderson, PGM, and mpm101. Some nice topics. mpm01 ...fun watching the Hollywood races live, eh ?...some nice picks :) Good luck with your wagers today . 'marhys comfrev'
Jesus Harold More than 1 year ago
I think the 10 runs a huge one here, and that Rose Catherine is slotted 2nd or 3rd. $8 tri 10/3/1,2,4,5,6,7 $8 tri 10/1,2,4,5,6,7/3 $4 WIN 10
SamG More than 1 year ago
HG 241 $100 to win on the 9. The horse I like here is Much Rejoicing who drops out of the Grade 1 Just A Game and cuts back to 6f at which distance she ran big 2 back.However she's taken so I'll take a chance on Legally Blanca.Her races before the long layoff were easily good enough to make her competitive here and hopefully she can get back to that form 2nd off the layoff.
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
Here's a suggestion. How about DRF gets its frickin' site fixed. Can't see my PP's AGAIN.
joe catino More than 1 year ago
hello !i have adirondack summer in my horse watch, last ran in the transylvania at keenland.trained by c clemments can you tell me where he is.
SpartanTom More than 1 year ago
Laura, I very sorry to hear about your father, please know the thoughts and prayers of all formbloggers are with you and your family. ST
Laura More than 1 year ago
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers. Hopefully Dad can be regulated with meds instead of surgery. At 84, it's a risky proposition. Sorry I couldn't make chat, but the next chat will be JULY 29, to cover the Jim Dandy, Haskell, and other graded stakes from Saratoga, Monmouth, DelMar, etc. Today's kiddie list: Calder Race 8 MC - Lordship's Fleet (Stormy Atlantic - My Lordship, by Lord Avie) is a Live Oak Plantation home bred. His dam was a favorite of mine when she was part of Bill Mott's barn a few years ago. She won her maiden at first asking at 7F. She also won stakes races from a mile to 1 1/6 miles over dirt and turf and was graded stakes placed. Lordship Fleet is her first foal. Additionally, Lordship's Fleet has a rasmussen inbreeding (inbred to a blue hen within 5 gen.) to Somethingroyal. If I had $40K, this could be a worthwhile claim. AP Race 5 MSW - New Wave (Tale of the Cat - Ecology, by Unbridled's Song) is a half sister to Bluegrass Stakes winner General Quarters (by Sky Mesa). He won his maiden at first asking gong 4 1/2F over the Churchill Dirt. Their half sister Wickedology (by Wild and Wicked) didn't fare so well. It took her 10 races and almost a year of racing to finally get it done, but during this time she did place over Polytrack at Turfway. Tale of the Cat gets 15% lifetime two year old winners which is above average (average is about 12%). His runners win over all surfaces from 5F to 1 1/2 miles and his best runner on the track is Gio Ponti. New Wave's damsire Unbridled's Song is one of the top sires of synthetic track runners, so New Wave should handle the Arlington Polytrack just fine. The only minor concern would be the short distance. Both Tale of the Cat and Unbridled's Song's offspring prefer to go at least 5F or farther. New Wave is bred on the same Tale of the Cat/Unbridled's Song nick as Alpha Kitten, the 2009 Santa Ynez (G-2) Stakes winner (7F), and Meal Penalty, winner of the Arlington Classic Stakes over turf. Both horses won their maiden at first asking at 5 1/2 F. One over dirt, the other over Polytrack. Blue Thong Horsie Alert! Woodbine -Race 2 - KATIE GET EXCITED (Stevie Wonderboy - Tina Fleet, by Afleet) is from the first crop of a BC Juvenile winner out of a a Barretts Debutante Stakes winner. Most of Tina Fleet's foals are winners and one is stakes placed.
tedmur More than 1 year ago
HG 241 100$ Win #5 Dominant Currency may not be good enough but her last is much better than it looks as she was shuffled and jammed up early stretch.
James Mc More than 1 year ago
HG 241: Many will look for Rose Catherine to wire it as the fave. Possible, but 45 flat or so is not blistering nukem speed in a turf sprint. Some pace pressure should come from Toner's horse, Much Rejoicing plus Becky's Exchange, if she is entered, and Qualia. My pick here is Dominant Currency, very lightly raced 4yo. She was impressive in her first turf sprint this winter at GP, then got the Santos' disciple treatment by Maragh here in late May, being rated well off a thoroughly ridiculous 48.4 pace for a 7 furlong sprint. She actually surged and finished well to be fourth. Big positives today are the switch to Prado + Penna is tearing it up out there. $100 win #5
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Belmont track update, Main track rated Muddy Turf rated good>so it's a go for the HG. Only R10 is off the turf Haven't posted any scratches as I speak.,/........... SR Vegas, You sure do a lot of things at one time...Were you an Octupus in your prior life ?..only kidding of cHorse.......Super ambidexterous......Heeheehee........Watch out for the locals vs. the shippers down @Calder..........It's Florida stinkin' Summer hot down there.........
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Hollywood Park 7-9-11 saturday R1 #5 Lemou will be the chaulk here gets blinkers today and extra distance will show her speed with Perfect Magic Man in close persuit the blinkers may be the difference #3 Guest Star two excellent efforts for sutherland now goes to the master of the finish rosario who will have this colt flying down the lane #1 Perfect Magic Man FTS will show some early run here going long to early to tell how good he is but think he can run with these out of yankee gentleman R2 #1 Bet On Victor trainer trying to get this one to the winners circle today takes blinks off and cuts back a half adds rosario to ride might be enough to do the job today trainer is 33% with blinks off #3 Sinai just up in last and think this colt has found his level after trying the graded stakes level bejarano will have this one moving in the lane and will be the one to beat trainer 27% wls #5 Korban looks like he hung in last race so tend to put him in lower spots on ticket will give his best run hes got and stands to get a part today one win in three years is discouraging though a show at best R3 #1 Runflatout should give Coil all he can handle today with gomez signed on and getting 6 lbs should turn the tables here #3 Coil three for three and looking for four is the one to beat runflatout was getting to him last race and has his work cut out today if he faltors in the least will have to settle for second money #4 Uncle Sam bafferts other one here and did not like the change in scenery last out back to socal today and sheds flores for talamo which I agree with and is putting on the shades hope talamo lays off for one run SRVegas good luck R6 #1 Killer Bear stretches out today drops down a notch in class goes on the grass where he ran a good effort three down coming late against Cardiff Giant does have late speed and will use it here #4 Mr Katz cant overlook his record always gives his best rosario has won on him before will be part of the speed brigade today and seems best of the other speed here #3 Gothic Samurai (AUS) been on a short rest comes back to the battle with new jockey in bejarano for drysdale has worked six 7fs in a row for todays race all look like maintenance works though will be a part of the speed R8 #3 Setsuko give the edge here after two tough losses had his tightner in last should be at his top form today will stay up close to the pace and move late stretch to get up in close finish #1 Twirling Candy the one to beat looks to be in top form also with rosario will be coming after the front runners today and may not be denied beat him for the money #4 Game On Dude gets chantel back for this maybe she can repeat that one three back without the controversy last two works very good for his return to cali will be on the engine today R9 #1 TJs Passion one win one turf and the lay off think this one is for real may like the socal weather and who else to get the but talamo who is 27% with this trainer look for this one to be part of the pace #7 Take a Yard PV seems to get the most out of this gelding cuts back today and pat should make one run late for his best effort is a win probability for sure #9 Alley Hondrodoes not run them the same at all what will rosario do today will he run early or wait and make a late run that is the question have to use him either way as he will hit the board good luck all mh01
lenny d More than 1 year ago
HG keepin it simple $50 win 1 and 2
Dick W More than 1 year ago
HG241 I will use #4 Much Rejoicing as my key. She is very versatile as she has won on turf, dirt, synthetic and an off track. A little concerned that she has run a couple of Stinkers, but think her best puts her right there. I will use her with the entry and also #10 Donna Getyourgun who won her come backer in spite of probably needing a race. So... $30 ex box 1,4 $20 ex box 4,10 good luck to all. !!! Dick W
zeppie More than 1 year ago
HG Rose C. looks tuff to beat, But here go's $50 win 9 $50 win 6
Calvin L. Carter More than 1 year ago
TBTA, Red Duke wins the Superlative Stakes: http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,445098,00.html
Calvin L. Carter More than 1 year ago
Laura, You and family are in my prayers.
Karl Bittner More than 1 year ago
The 3 looks like the choice w/ best trainer stats and 2 for 2 on the BEL turf. The 6 ships in from SAR with a 26 percent stakes trainer and looks to be comming at the finish. The 7 looks tricky in here 1st time turf with a high percentage trainer with that type of move. So I will play it like this - HG241 Exacta $50 3/6,7 =$100 Good luck!
Make mineadouble More than 1 year ago
Maybe that's just Mr. Wooley's way of saying he doesn't think slots are the answer to racing's woes.
Ronald H More than 1 year ago
HG Keeping it simple with a couple last out recent winners $50.00 Exacta box.........3-8 Have a fun weekend.
Prop Joe More than 1 year ago
HG $20 EBX 4,9 $60 WIN 9 Much Rejoicing clearly looks the best horse, still developing for an elite grass barn. Belmont day was bizarre, so will give her a pass for the last race. I like Legally Blanca 2x the long layoff, for a barn that is very good in this situation. She sports some sharp come home times in her PPs.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
HG241, #8>Exchange Funds>only 1 bad race in career>Always bang up>This horse has never run 6F on turf before>I think this is what she wanted all along>Last race she was 3 wide the entire trip & still fired down the lane for the score>Oh! Out of Houston{son of the Slewster}.........& has "Spencer for Hire"...........maybe he'll do what the other jocks couldn't...push her early...... #4>Much Rejoice or something like that..I forgot to write down the name, butts:she looks best on paper...... #1 & 1a> Don't know which one runs, butts:one is a Slewster & don't have time to wait... #9>a bomber special....... $50 Exacta>#4 over/#8=$50 $30 Exacta>#8 over/#4=$30 $2 Exacta Box>#'s >8/9/1=$12 $8 Win>#8=$8 Total>$100
orsch More than 1 year ago
100 to win on the 10. Looking at the card it looks like Borel made the trip to ride this horse. I don't think it is for the beautiful weather.
tencentcielo More than 1 year ago
HG $25 trifecta 4 /3,5 /3,5,6 There have been only four horses I LOVED in the last two months: Wise Dan, Flat Out, Much Rejoicing and Beau Choix. Unfortunately for me, it was in their LOSSES. The other three won their next stakes start after I liked them, so I'm keeping the faith and going with Much Rejoicing one...more...time. Using Rose Catherine and Dominant Currency (hoping for chaos!) for 2nd, adding Sea Road for third.
Bluenote More than 1 year ago
hg241 $100 WIN ON #8 Exchange Funds
jwsax More than 1 year ago
$100 ex 7,4 if 7 can carry her class to the turf course she is the one to beat here. three of her four lifetime wins have come off a layoff and trainer stats support the move at 24% workouts indicate she may take to the turf and should sit a perfect stalking trip. #4 is cutting back in distance and dropping back in to level she won at two back should run big. feel like 3 rose catherine is a play against here. she hasn't seemed to really round in to form this year and with the likely chance of soft ground she does not warrant the almost certain short price. 7,4
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
KYL Your thoughts should give us all pause. Don't stay away to long.
fishky More than 1 year ago
HG241 After the scratches of 1,8,9,11,12 I have noticed in the HG's that the chalk seldom wins. I will also cross off 1A, and try the $2 tri: 2,4,5,6,7,10/2,4,5,6,7,10 over 3 = $60 $1 tri 2,4,5,6,7,10/3/2,4,5,6,7,10 = $30 .10 super 2,4,5,6,7,10/2,4,5,6,7,10/5,6,7/3 = $ 9
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
HG 241 Wagers $10 ex 6,7 / 3,4,6,7 = $60 $10 ex box 6,7 = $20 $2 tri 6,7 / 6,7 / 3,4 = $8 $1 tri 6,7 / 3,4,6,7 / 3,4,6,7 = $12 7 is a complete stab no analysis necessary Thanks for the Dandy$ LSD . Thanks for keeping score Tencent.
Calvin L. Carter More than 1 year ago
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Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
URINE TROUBLE according 2 the Paulick Report Chip Woolley trainer of KD winner MTB admits 2 prairie meadow in discretion. admits he publicly urinated near slot machines. "i messed up, it's a regrettable situation." earlier this year, prairie meadows and the local media trumpted the arrival of woolley and his 13 horse stable as a sign the track was LURING SOME BIG NAMES FROM OUT OF STATE. roflmao can any 1 name another horse he has trained other than MTB? gotta love these hicks if woolley can get that type of media coverage imagine if our fearless leader LSD decided 2 visit the track, they probably close the schools 4 the day. UFR VQ
SpartanTom More than 1 year ago
HG241: The 3 Rose Catherine will be the favorite, but I will try to beat her with the 4. There will be much rejoicing if the 4 wins. I will also use the 6. My wager will be as follows: $50 Tri Key 4/3,6. Good luck to everyone. ST
Ron B More than 1 year ago
HG 241 Tough race as they all are but I am going to going for a horse #5 Dominant Currency that will get tested for class, however this trainer has brought this horse along pretty well. I think that last race may have been a little longer than she was ready for and it appears (not listed) that she encountered some trouble along the way. Better sailing and I think she might be the up-setter $100 Win #5 Ron B.
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Belmont Park 7-9-11 R4 #3 Higher Desire off for 10 months comes back at the bottom level a sale for rice working ok for this one shows she runs fresh dominguez takes the reins for this one a contender based off her first start trainer 22% #7 Fiddlers Diva takes drop[ in class and this one has a hard fought campaign to get her second win 6 for nine in the money says she is trying for sure 5 for 5 at the distance leave out at your peril #6 Mahogany Mist back in 13 days so strike while the iron is hot for this filly look for her to go out to the lead and have them come at her a beat me if you can type R6 #6 Karakorum Ledend been off since nov. 10 does show he runs fresh after layoff though comes back at same level is two for two in the exacta at this distance always picks up a check you could do worse #8 Westside Corral almost perfect for this four year old cutting back today may be the key to the win a win candidate for sure today with garcia aboard #9 Strong Impact was coming fast in shorter race last and dominguez stays put for this sprint had bullet work in preps so is on his best game today the stretch to 7 panels will only help the cause R7 #8 Tropical Jetset o for 12 looks bad but this filly has ran good against this msw level before getting in the money three for three has had her tightner and is ready to fire best today dominguez stays for the run 1a Little Reya that last was a fine effort going longer and took a breather and is back for the battle today will be coming late for a part #3 Bound to Happen solis got to know in last run so think the stretch out will be the key to this filly out of tiznow only four lenghts back has not much to do to improve must use today R8 #4 Much Rejoicing out run in last one going one mile cuts back to 6f today where she has been successful got 90 beyer at this distance so think today should be her day to pick up the money garcia stays put for this trainer 43% RTS J/T 33% #1 Beckys Exchange closing in on Rose in last and gets 2lbs off that one for this with dominguez chosing to get aboard is a contender for the win here #6 Sea Road on the improve with solis will give another fine run here has never won at this distance before so thats a drawback for sure a must use in the exotics today #3 Rose Catherine is the one to beat but think there is three that are better today R9 #5 Gio Ponti a grade on winner several times over should get another one here after a tightner in last play to win and collect the one to beat #1 Mission Approved definately the one to beat but picks up 8 lbs today that will cause him to labor late in this event must conserve some of tht speed for the stretch #6 Nownownow is not a gr1 runner so tend to think this one picks up the show here I like the huge finish in last event after a long layoff was getting to Teaks North for sure at a price R10 #9 Kingsdale Ocean throw out that last one missed the break and had been off since dec 10 takes a much needed drop in class today and chavez stays for the trip like his chances here #8 Russian Sage a speed type dont know what happened last but threw in the towel after a half gets new rider today and is the one to catch today #3 Mor Chances needs to get out side for best effort and has a ton of finish given a good trip look for late effort here good luck all mh01
Mr. Chubby More than 1 year ago
HG 241 $10 ex box 1-4-7 $10 ex 7 / 1,3,4,10 It would be tempting to select Qualia simply out of blind loyalty to Bobby Ribaudo with whom I've cashed some very nice tickets. Instead I'll take those 2 recent, sharp, grass works as an indication that she can handle the lawn. The last race was a disaster, which can only add to her price.
chris More than 1 year ago
HG 241 $50 ex 6 with 3,4. Will use 6 with improving BSF to beat horses 3/4 with better BSF @ distance/bel turf records.
JIMPEREGOY More than 1 year ago
HG 241: I will have to forecast the weather as acceptable for turf racing on Saturday. This, despite the chance for some soaking showers on Friday that could make the turf too soft. I would say the 8-Exchange Funds appears a little slower than these and should have less chance than Ruler on Ice did to win the Belmont. She is my only toss. As for the other nine gals, I would not risk a wager on 2-Fascinatin’ Rhythm off a 4/14 trouncing in a Grade 1 on synthetic. Front bandages on this one are a red flag, despite a 29 race career. Angel Penna is a great trainer, but I can’t see the 5-Dominant Currency moving from an 81 Beyer at 5f to compete with the potential big number that Rose Catherine could put up. Prado continues to be a marginal rider with his 9% win rate. 7-Qualia has a trainer with some terrific ROI figures. He must get some bombers to win since he is only 3 for 34 this year. I will take a chance that he is not up to making the nice workouts into the kind of finish needed in this race as they turn for home. Hard to like 9-Legally Blanca off her2011 debut. The 90 Beyer from last year and the potential for a pharmaceutical boost from her trainer make her hard to toss. I believe that either of the hard hitting, turf loving, coupled entry mares can hit the board. If both run, all the better. Rose Catherine stands out and I can’t see getting too creative here. $75 exacta 3 over 1 $25 exacta 1 over 3
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Gil, I think you were alluding to the #2 horse, not the #1 horse..The 1st horse up on the DRF is the #2> Fascinatin' Rhythm........I think that threw you off..If not ? "Who's sorry Now."
Anderson More than 1 year ago
HG 241 #6 Sea Road seems to run the same okay race every time out. #4 Much Rejoicing may be best but slipped vs CS Silk. #1a Quebrada Shiner (ARG) kind of must use here. #10 Legally Blanca would be a "C" on my sweep ticket. #3 Rose Catherine is the one to beat based on that last race win. HG wager: $70 WIN #6 $30 tri 1/6/10
Calvin L. Carter More than 1 year ago
The final day of the Piper Heidsieck July Festival at Newmarket Racecourse opens tomorrow with what appears to be a wide-open edition of the $93,500 32red.com Superlative Stakes (Group 2). http://classicchampionthoroughbreds.blogspot.com/2011/07/newmarket-superlative-stakes-roundup.html
derbyfritz More than 1 year ago
HG241 play as follows... $ 4 key super.... #7 over 2,3,4,6/2,3,4,6/2,3,4,6 = $ 96 $ 4 win #7 = 4 the year is just starting for my key horse... should take to turf and beyer is tops.... good luck all....
Randy More than 1 year ago
$50 exacta box #2 Fascinatin Rhythm and #6 Sea Road!
gil More than 1 year ago
hg 241 revisited. $10 ex box 2*4*6 $20 tri 4/2*6. Same reasoning as before.
theshamrockbend More than 1 year ago
THATS WHY I LOVE THIS PLACE Alan , Virgin Queen CONCISE After going on with my own egotistical rant I turn the page and see that you both alreadysaid it and in five words or less ,,,I lose Again.. Its like Deja Vu all over again and again and again Excellent work guys ..keep it up
KYL Syndicate More than 1 year ago
Disclaimer: This is a non-horse related post on my part and strictly an opinion of my own. It's not to bring any uproar just some thoughts in a week where I must say, horse racing has not consumed my mind as it normally does... I must admit I have been following the Casey Anthony story since first hearing about it 3 years ago when it gained national attention after pictures surfaced of her partying while Caylee went missing. I will admit when I first heard that, my mind was made up and needless to say, the jury decision shocked me. Originally, I was disturbed with the verdict and could only come up with the following analogy, symbolism, whatever you call it: 1 + 1 = 2 is a known fact. 1 + X = 2...what is X? To me, the jurors even with all the pieces could not figure out that X = 1 or in this case that X = Guilty...but the frustration was more on the fact that I still couldn't understand how Casey could act like that during those days and just never showed any concern for Caylee... The reason I mention this is due to the tragic story on Shannon Stone's tragic death during a Texas Rangers baseball game yesterday. I was not aware that the game yesterday was a make up game whereby Shannon and his son first attended in May but without a glove for his son. Yesterday, he buys his son a baseball glove, does everything a dad would do since his son wanted to catch a baseball. Even after he falls, his thoughts and concerns were on his son and asked people attending to him "Please check my son. My son is up there alone." ... I'm going to take a break from posting to this blog since its basically a copy/paste of what I write on theobjectiveistowin.blogspot.com. No, I'm not pitching my blog...The break is more to remove myself from the direction the blogs take every couple of months. With all that has gone on recently in this crazy world, I'll just communicate directly via email/phone with those bloggers I have formally gotten to know. This week has just shown me that some of these things are very petty. We are suppose to teach children how to win with class and lose with dignity...where has that gone to? All the best...afterall, our goals as gamblers is to win..
ben More than 1 year ago
$20 Tri 4/3/9,10 $10 Tri 4/9,10/3 $20 Ex 4/3 $10 Ex 4/9,10 Playing against the favorite. Nice race last out but this horse is a bit inconsistent as of late even though there were excuses. Much Rejoicing looks like the horse to beat. Keying her on top believe she is definitely on the improve Legally Blanca and Donnagetyourgun both are coming off of their first race back from long layoffs, both seem to have more upside in them than the others that have been running behind the top two picks. Will use them to try to catch a bit of a price underneath.
CHAAZZ More than 1 year ago
HG 241 ... $1.00 tri/box: 4-5-6-7-9 = $60 .. $.30 spr/box: 4-5-6-7-9 = $36 ...$2.00 ex/box: 6-9 = $4 ... Total = $100 ... CHAAZZ
David Middleton More than 1 year ago
HG241 1) Replays showed Becky was checked early turn, big interest in late stages. When lower profile barns get unusually hot, don't question just get on board. Not sure is 1 or 1A goes. Prefer 1 without 1A for value. 2) Hard knocker, freshened but seems in deep versus seasoned turf types. Siding with others. 3)Had dream trip off rail with just a bit of early pressure. Easily put away the cheap speed to her inside but seemed to get late in final 1/16th. Don't see load of speed in here again. 4) Wise guy play in Just a Game. Faded like cheap suit down the lane. Hoping boggy course condition was culprit although it seems her dam handled all turf conditions. Adds weight but definitely gets major class relief. Should get great stalking trip and has imputed class to overcome the additional 6 pounds. Probably will be pounded at windows as 5-1 ML seems overly generous. 5) Good finish in last (11 & change). Would prefer this on in NW1X spot. 6) Was getting to Rose with every stride. Much Rejoicing handled easily two back. May be get a slice type in this spot but likely third betting choice. 7) Don't like 2011 return then immediate 2.5 month layoff. May try to use some early zip to engage Rose. Working well on turf but I don't bet Saarland or Meadowlake offspring when first turfing. 8) Rider has cost U.S. bettors tons in big spots. Hopefully he has improved with age. Filly gives no reason to indicate she can handle class after taking 8 starts to break NWX1 condition. 9) Love Northern Afleet as affordable sire. Mare is 0 for last two years with only 3 starts. Can't back fragile mare in this spot. 10) One of favorite move up on turf sires. Struck at 4-1 in CD turf debut when I liked (daily redboard special). Can't see overly hot pace unless someone changes tactics. Wilkes ships when he had other Midwest options. Maybe a late run for exotic slice with tote value. I am 0 for 4 in these exercises so I am due folks. Playing: $20 Tri 4 over 1-3 over 1-3-10 $10 Tri 1-10 over 4 over 1-10
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
Laura u and your father r in my thoughts...hang tight VQ
knm More than 1 year ago
Laura, I'll be praying for you both.
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
HG 241 #4 Much Rejoicing throw out last race doesnt want the mile and you have a contender at six panels took a lot of money in last so is well thought of by ny bettors should attend the pace and be huge factor down the lane #1 Beckys Exchange gets dominguez for this one and feel she has the class just needs a jockey to get her to run to it maybe dominguez will get it all today been right there in last two this one third back after layoff #6 Sea Road three for three at this distance in the money and solis has the knowledge to find a way to bring this filly home for sure almost caught Rose in last one only has to move a little sooner to get up #5 Dominant Currency the new kid on the block at first look is out of class but that MSW win was quite a run making a wide rush to get the lead and pull away down the lane she has a huge turn of foot and if she uses it today may surprise these worked 47HG for this #3 Rose Catherine wired the field in last race and is the lone speed in this one will take a ton of money for sure but dont think she holds on in this race with others that will be closing in on her seemed to have shortened up some in that last run a vulnerable favorite #10 Donna Getyourgun brings her own jockey to the dance and wins her races by no more than a half length so tend to think she would likely hit the board on the lower spots if at all is over her head here #1a Quebrada Shiner (ARG) likely will be scratched here if she runs must consider her to be closing late stretch for a part five for twelve on the grass a contender at best #7 Qualia can she convert to the grass? that is the question trainer is 25% first turf and 40% dirt to turf very impressive last three against much better than these and she worked a bullet on the turf for this cant ignor her chance exacta box 467=$96 $4 win #7=$4 total $100 good luck all mh01
TBTA More than 1 year ago
Laura, Prayers coming your way for your dad.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Laura Oh My! My thoughts are with you and your Dad. I'll check in with you soon. 'iden viedia'
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
TBTA, You can play around w/this site..It quite frankly disabuses the thought of Seattle Slew not being a turf producer. Since 2000 his progeny have won 23 Worldwide G1's, while Northern Dancer has produced 1............Just in GB & Ireland alone since 1988, between 5F's & 9F's, Seattle Slew has won w/21% of his progeny...up to 6F's it's 30%........These are BIG #'s in anybody's book..... That 21% is from 296 starts & 64 Winners......You can filter them any which way..It's just like Laura said...& just like I said...Seattle Slew could run on marbles......I can't teach you how to use the site, so it's up to you.......Happy hunting.......It may not give you everything, Butts: It's a start.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> copy & paste
leo More than 1 year ago
HG with the rain we have been having the turf should be a little on the soft side. with that in mind i a going to take a flyer on three animals. First Dominant Currency, a lightly raced filly who is moving up in class but has shown some ability to close. I like Mr Penna and he has entered her in a spot which could provide a very nice mutual. I am going to put two others underneath, Fascinatin,Rythm, a Richard Small trainee, a 6 yr old mare who has only raced on the turf twice, would fill out a lovely exacta and Beck's Exchange, who has raced very well her last two starts and any improvement could even win the race. HG 50 ex 5/1,2
gerry v. More than 1 year ago
OAKIESHARP Conditions mean that the horse hasn't won three races OR is entered today to be claimed for 50k
mr velvet More than 1 year ago
HG $50 ex bx 4,5 Much Rejoicing is significantly better than last. Course was labeled GOOD but was much closer to soft. Throw out last and she looks like the one to beat. Dominant Currency will be a huge overlay in this race. She sat behind a dawdling pace in her last, is now 2nd off layoff, and cuts back from 7f to 6f. She used the same "second off layoff combined with a cutback" in her only career win. And the CHT was 11 2/5 for the win to boot. I personally don't think very much of Rose Catherine and expect little unless she is left alone on the lead. Qualia is the mystery of the race, but should show speed.
Mike D More than 1 year ago
HG 241 $50 Exacta Box 3-10 Best early speed with lightly-raced Stormy Atlantic that has upside potential
Tom D. More than 1 year ago
$100 to win on Qualia....Freddie Lenclud and 40% win percentage dirt to turf.
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
Caseyjeaux, It was a big lake with nice campgrounds all around it. Its probably within several hours drive of you. If my half day there was any indication it certainly is loaded with variety and numbers. On my way down to N.C. we stopped to get some lunch and watched some guys slay the crappie under a dock there while we ate and they told me the place was famous for the crappie fishing. I didn't see any huge slabs like the ones you & KB were getting but there was lots of them. When I came back through a month later they were probably suspended somewhere and we didn't really have time to find them. If I found myself in the neighborhood again I'd give it another try for sure. We saw some guys noodling when we were there. Now thats an extreme way to do your fishing. I'll stay in the boat myself. LOL. Thanks for the info on Table Rock. Sounds like I can do that around here without a two day long drive. I have some of the best Big bass lakes in the world within 90 minutes of me. I caught my lifetime largemouth a few years back in the spring. A 15.83 pounder at Lake Piru. I let her go and I've been trying unsuccessfully to catch her again every spring since then. I pretty much know she's not on anybodies wall yet because she'd be a lake record and I would've read about her capture. I'll catch her again someday maybe. Good fishing & good frying to you and Kelly Belles this summer. Oh yeah good racing too.
Ned Daly More than 1 year ago
SR Vegas Thanks for the mention. Even a $5 win with my hard earned is important to me, especially if it means I have learned something in order to get it. Positive ROI is the immediate goal I have in mind. Already some local media interest in Seven in Eleven. Watch the blog. HG241 Busy day, so not much careful examination. This should mean I keep the wallet zipped. But Dan is so generous with his $100 stakes, I am going to play anyway. Looking to match early with late. HG WAGER $20 to WIN #3 $40 Exacta box #3/#8 Good luck to all this weekend!
Ben More than 1 year ago
Rose Catherine is 2 for 2 on the Belmont turf and looks to be rounding into the form she had last year, when she was one of the favorites in the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint. I think she is just a slight bit better than the rest of the field, so I'm singling her on top of the what I consider the next flight of horses: $20 exacta 3 over 1,4,6,7,10
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Kinda' sorta' on/off topic... RonZ I have really enjoyed your thoughts on making a 'line' and evaluating a field to make your own odds. Though that is still WAAAY over my simplistic views of handicapping (and my Hobby ) I did like your thoughts...in part: "I don't even think that I consciously think about these things anymore. It is just integrated into my handicapping style that has developed over the years." I think THAT is important. As my RAH tells me ..'.you absorb more than you think, honey.. after a few years of reading DRF, watching races, tracking workouts, & MKB stuff, over time it becomes innate & you 'see things' (Thank you Uncle Steve for getting me started, Love u Zenyatta!) I'm happy to call this a hobby, and sooner or later I may make it a $ hobby flow, perhaps . Ned Daly , your recent comments about having the 'real stuff' $$ satisfaction, over the HG $$, totally encourages this thought in me. Since I know you are also new to this sport, and used PH to help you work it out.. You have seen succeses. BTW good luck on Monday...Seven for Seven, eh? I do know how difficult it is for one to keep a positive ROI over the long term & that is why I do like the HG excersises. If I can do well with "fake $$" then when the few times (annually) I bet my real $$, it gives me confidance to find what has worked for me. I definitely fit into the 'newbie who is still learning' catagory and wanting to learn more...But as many have said before, It does take TIME and Commitment, to make it work. (Jonah, you are a quick study & an excellent example here) AND it is obvious that there is a multitude of posters, with combined decades of experiance, here on Dan's formblog. I hope everyone will continue to contribute, as I think ALL do benifit, regardless of the personalities :) ----------------------------- Dan THANK YOU for this forum, it allows all of us to have the opportunity to learn from one another & find friends at the same time :) BTW, you and Mike Beers looked quite handsome in your video today :) & having Mike Welsh via phone, was quite a nice touch. He seems like another 'nice' guy.
Whackymacky More than 1 year ago
Happy Friday all... Belmont Park 3pm Post Time Today!!! 21 Horses are scratched today so far. Pick your spots if you are playing. Race #3 Belmont #5 Understatement will be bet down to 2/5. Yes, this will be a Bridge Jumper Race, so keep an eye on the tote board. The play would be to bet the other 4 runners to show, with the hope that the #5 runs out. You can bet $10, or $100. Keep an eye on that tote board!!! If not, just watch the race. Race #5 Belmont We are left with only 4 runners in a good race. Problem is, that the #5 Bank Merger looks like a MONSTER here. The money will be flown in and bet big. I guess 1/5 at post time. They offer only Win and Place betting on this one. Again, keep an eye on the tote board. You can sit on your hands and watch this race, or you can play the other 3 to place. Check it out. Maybe a spot to build the bank roll for the weekend. Mike A Nice to see you back in action. You didn't miss much.LOL! They had a race last Sunday with some crazy SHOW price's at Belmont. Check it out. They has 2 races where the Bridge Jumpers went down in flames!!! When was the last time you saw 3 show prices over $50???? I agree with you about Mr. Weaver up at Saratoga. He is warming up for a good meet at the Spa. MH01 Another solid day with some nice winners at Hollywood Park. Chantal rode a nice race with that $12 winner to close out yet another MONSTER PICK 5!!! Where are you Annie??? Good Luck to all of the players today and everyday!!! Whackymacky Out!!!
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Wackymacky thanks for the congrats good luck this weekend if you wager ha ha mh01
Mickey More than 1 year ago
Jonah: it was a pleasure to meet you as well....maybe at Saratoga?
DSully More than 1 year ago
I hear the bombs going off as the totally ignored Maryland bred with a sharp Md trainer gets overlooked in Gotham. #2 Fascinatin' Rhythm rallies to score at a $47.80 payoff. Wager - $100 win on #2 Fascinatin' Rhythm Thanks Dan!
kyle More than 1 year ago
$100 EXACTA 8-10.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Yeah! ...My Uncle Mike is back in town! Yyippeee! Dang!...Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan ...STEVE!, (Sorry that meerkat video rings in my head ..lol) ...looks like the blurry captcha's are baacckkk! 'obedivi minisoer'....and I'm just guessing at that one since it's soooo blurrrryyyy
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
MikeA , You were qouting anonymous e-mails as a favor to me ? LOL. Gimmee a break and don't do me any favors. LOL. Lets get this straight . Thats hogwash or if you prefer Harleywash ! LOL. If I wanted to e-mail you I'd have done it already. Does the blog need a champion ? No I don't think so , buttZ... I'll comment on anything I please and in anyway I please thats acceptable to LSD. You've played nice. Well so have I and if you consider me bringing up your previous e-mail antics to make a point not nice than so be it. I don't hear you saying you didn't bring up anonymous e-mailers. I don't hear you saying I lied about your use of anonymous e-mailers. I hear ridiculous and transparent excuses for why you used them. Sorry Mike but I was spot on and it doesn't take someone with high intellect to know that. If gossiping is nice than I prefer open meaness. I know Mike, you've never had a loser. You're the only guy that ever won yada yada. You don't like me ? Wow, thats a newsflash ! Big whoop, join the club. I've never had a 10-1 shot ? Look Mike I told everybody on this blog how to have a bunch of longshots run 1st or 2nd before the Santa Anita meet started . They didn't have to ask me to pick it for them & thank me for it afterward, because I told them how to pick it for themselves. I didn't give them a fish. I taught them how to catch one of their own. When I say a bunch of longshots I mean and ENDLESS STRING of longshots. Not just for this year . For every year. When the longshots were coming one after the other you said I wasn't teaching anybody anything because everybody knew that trick . Not competitive ? LOL. Sorry Mike, but everybody didn't know that trick. If they did than it wouldn't supply an endless string of longshots for decades. Uncle Steve T. didn't even know that trick or his generousity would've compelled him to mention it here and there isn't much Steve T. doesn't know about the SoCal circuit. Posting picks again Mike. I post 4 picks for races of someone elses choosing every Saturday . Its a rare Saturday when at least one of them doesn't win and rarer still that there isn't at least a couple of exactas or trifectas in that mix. You're not going to see my response ? LOL. You kid your friends and I'll kid mine but lets not kid each other. Jonah, I've got an answer to your questions on the last thread.
Laura More than 1 year ago
Everyone wanting to hold chat tonight - I might not be able to make it, but feel free to use the chat room to disccuss the weekends races. Dad admitted to ICU middle of last night, so I'm not sure where I'll be. Laura
mpm101 More than 1 year ago
Laura, sorry to hear about your dad. Hope it all works out . Will check in to see who is there and maybe some Hollywood live handicapping. mpm101
Jeanne More than 1 year ago
Laura I hope your dad is back home soon, feeling much better!!!
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Laura sorry to hear about your dad but remember he is in excellent hands mh01
okiesharp More than 1 year ago
I need a little help with the race conditions for the 6th race at Belmont on Saturday (which have never won three races or optional claiming price of $50,000). Does this mean "never won 3 optional claiming races of $50,000"? I know they consider State Bred and open races separately, but the # 1 horse Compliance Officer just won a State Bred OC 50k/n2x. What am I missing here?
TBTA More than 1 year ago
Uncle Steve, Cool thoughts on the "associative" brains of the newly blinkered from the last thread. I had never made a connection with that even though I once had to replace a blacksmith because he had a beard. Apparently a bearded man had roughed up one of my showhorses prior to my purchase of him, and the horse absolutely refused to be shod or even fed, by a man with a beard. I have a dog that is funny that way too. With the weather so hot, we take the dogs out at night to walk. Sugar hates the sounds of firecrackers. Well, it's that time of year. Tonight, even though there is not a sound to be heard except the crickets, she was cringing, trying to head home and really being a pain in the rear, all because she kept anticipating the scary noises she's been hearing for the last week. Curt V, I'm thinking maybe it was Laura Lawduck on the phone......cuz "It wasn't me"..........as Shaggy would say.
Mike A More than 1 year ago
PS....almost forgot.......It all started with Chernobyl's Hero.......that's where it will also end. Next time he runs......bet the farm. Mike A
Captain Bodgit More than 1 year ago
Dan, the Hollywood Gold Cup is Saturday. It is supposed to be one of the best races of the year but recently it's been kind of weak. Will you please post the pp's for what you think was the most loaded/deep Hollywood Gold Cup of the past 20 years to show what kind of field this race is capable of?
gil More than 1 year ago
#1 Comes into town with his own jockey. Surprise this mare only has the 2 turf start. Sports a good record and "More than Ready" has them ready for turf. #4 Have a feeling the good turf did her in along with the class jump. Here she fits. #6 I like the steady improving beyer #s this filly has been displaying. $10 ex. box 1*4*6 $20 tri. 4/1*6. good luck all
Pig Bodine More than 1 year ago
H.G. 241 $5.00 Superfecta 3,10/3,4,10/1,3,4,10/1,3,4,9,10 $20.00 Trifecta 3/4/10
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Computers back and running, decided to check the blog and it appears I should be glad I was "away"...........BS...........B Look......Lets get something straight, I didn't mention folks who wrote to me for any reason you think......What I've found over the years is that folks of a higher intelligence, whether real or imagined usually have trouble seeing things in the light of day....even if they say they "call a spade a spade", they tend to see that "spade" with their own slant. They tend to have little common sense, to say you know why someone does something without knowing them personally is ludicrous. I mentioned emails I received to try and give you a heads up......that some newbies were turned off and confused by some of the things you said. I surely didn't need to bolster my opinion with folks that were new to the game. I never considered this a competition for whose the best. Results speak for themselves.....folks can read, regardless of what you say or how good it may sound. I've played nice ever since I asked you to, that doesn't mean I like you.....I don't, and think little of your actual ability to pick winners.......there are those who can and those who teach....or coach, whichever the case may be.....coach. You're right I do carry my track around with me......beats losing. I've posted winner after winner in the two and a half years I've been posting......it's why people listen.....not because I tell them they have to or else. Post a few beforehand, say why.....have them win, then you'll be on your way. If you care little for what folks think of you or what you have to say why post at all? Do you feel the blog needs a champion? Should I start to call you Sir Gallahad? Most folks on this blog are nice folks....too nice to say what they really want to say......I don't care, I won before the blog, I won during the blog, I'll win after the blog......I just wanted to pass along things I know work, things you won't find in a book unless you can find a copy of Pittsburgh Phil's approach to the game. Do I care what your response will be? No....I won't see it, I found in the two weeks I've been away I didn't miss it.......there was a time I would have......not anymore. One of my "carry on my back tracks" is coming up.....Saratoga, I need to get with it. Say what ever you wish....perhaps a few will agree with you.......it means little unless you start picking winners......that pay 10-1 or better......on a regular basis......before the race is run......no matter what you say it won't mean a thing, at least to me. Though if you really think you are in the "right" you have my email address hrlymk49@aol.com if you needn't stroke your ego with a brilliant response for everyone to read, write me personally......the blog needn't hear it, but perhaps you do? For everyone else......as I usually do before a meet there are a few of trainers I expect to have a very good meet at Saratoga......Two will have winners but they won't pay big for the most part, Shug McGaughy and Barclay Tagg and one should have a few price horses George Weaver. I'm especially keen on Weaver. Good Luck to all and to all a goodnight.......Mike A
meathead01 More than 1 year ago
Mike A welcome back I missed your commentary for sure how about Del Mar in august a few of us a going to be there 19-20-21 join us mh0 1
hunter4fun More than 1 year ago
$50 box #3/#6 good luck to all
gerry v. More than 1 year ago
HG241 $100 win #7 Beyers are there; real threat if takes to turf
J Cal More than 1 year ago
HG241: 3-ROSE CATHERINE-PLETCHER TRAINEE SEEMS TO BE GEARING UP FOR SOLID SUMMER/FALL CAMPAIGN. LAST YEAR'S CONSISTENCY IS HARD TO OVERLOOK...ANOTHER MULTIPLE WIN RUN IS IN STORE. 4-MUCH REJOICING-WAS OUTCLASSED TRYING G1'S IN LAST, OFF OF HUGE EFFORT. RIGHT THERE ON THE DROP. 6-SEA ROAD-ASCENDING BEYER PATTERN, NEEDS TO START RALLY SOONER. THE BET: $80 EXACTA 3-4 $20 EXACTA 3-6
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
HG241 Okay, weather forecast for HG 241 looks good for keeping it on the Turf ...Firm Turf, TBTA :) " Saturday: Morning clouds will give way to sunshine for the afternoon. High around 85F. Winds NNW at 5 to 10 mph." ..so, with THAT in mind I'll toss the MTO contenders #11 Hour Glass, and #12 Five Grand Girl and look for a 'fresh horse' angle. #10 Donna Get Your Gun ..ML 8-1 Nice win 1st turf last out after a long break, Working nicely into this & her works pre/ post last race look the same, a jump in BSF and she may surprise . #8 Exchange Funds ..ML 15-1 Won off a layoff on turf.Good works pre/post last race, and the cut back in distance may help. #7 Qualia ML 5-1 ...I don't know what happend in her last, but she is working really nice on the Turf, and one could say that this is a drop in class. The others look real nice on paper, but I'll stick with these. I hope for no scratches, as I will be busy the next couple days. Wager: $5 Ex Box 7-8-10 = $30 $5 Tri Box -7-8-10 =$30 $20 Win #7 $20 Win #8 Total $100 ...Thanks for the $$ Dan 'mora nstracte'
dylbert More than 1 year ago
Back tomorrow with HG picks. Just had delicious spaghetti supper at oldest daughter's home. Now, experiencing iPad 2 for first time. Race PDFs look great! Wish zip files were supported by Apple.Reich. Arlington card looks super this Saturday. Plenty of excellent action around country. Calder Summit of Speed always has surprise.
Caseyjeaux More than 1 year ago
BSB, Table Rock is pretty much just know for it's spring and early summer largemouth bass fishing. There are some pretty nice crappie, but they don't school. One here and one there. That ain't crappie fishing. We don't have sauger in the lakes here (that I'm aware of), but they do catch them in the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers. I haven't fished Eufala, but that is my kind of lake. Never know what it is until you get it to the boat.
Curt V. More than 1 year ago
HG241, "They're coming to take me away, ha ha, hee hee, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time...........">>Nighty night......
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Alan LOL! I think they are using real 'words' or else my vision has also improved :) Nice to see you back... stay and sit awhile. ..better yet, can you & Chalky come to Laura's Chat room tomorrow night ? 'munied shuju'
Mike O More than 1 year ago
HG 241 #2 Gets tested for class, #4 should like cut back in distance. $ 25 Ex box 2-4 $ 25 Ex 2-4/3
DailyDub More than 1 year ago
HG 241 $16 Trifecta Box 3-4-6 $4 Straight Tri 4-6-3 #3 Rose Catherine, Pletcher and Velazquez 10 of 12 in the turf money and loves the Belmont turf and distance, should be the one to catch. #4 Much Rejoicing, takes a big drop and can win at this level as it did 2 back in the Glia going the same distance. Gets a nice draw to stalk the #3 #6 Sea Road, Solis has been close in his last two races aboard against #3 and #4 and has shown hanging ability on the Belmont grass with 2 seconds and 2 thirds in 4 tries but this could be its time. If this ends up on the dirt then it will turn into the Five Grand Girl/Hour Glass show starring Pletcher, Velazquez, Dutrow and Dominguez. Good luck everyone!
Jonah More than 1 year ago
Re-posted from last thread: Mickey, not only did I enjoy meeting you and seeing how you work, but it was one of the highlights of my trip East. I was very impressed with how you make decisions. I really hope we can get together again before too long. Wacky Macky, I was just getting silly to break up the tension a bit. I'm convinced you and Mickey are two separate--and great--guys. I love this blog, and have learned a tremendous amount here. I let Fred know you said hi, and although he can't follow the blog and post these days, he wrote: "Also, if you feel like it when you next post, but please do not feel obligated (as I am certainly able to post my own thoughts), you can tell him I said 'Hi and that I wish him well.'" Blackseabass, thanks again for your explanation. I will look at charts and expect to find that what you're saying about the favorites is right on the money; it makes perfect sense. I'm pretty sure I understand everything you've said about coin flips, but I'm not completely clear what constitutes a "target"; I'll look back over those races, because I have a feeling it's obvious. I agree with you that it's petty and unfair to use anonymous statements against someone (as opposed to just sharing something someone said, like I did with Wacky and Fred, above). It's the same problem when talking face-to-face ("Well, you know that some of our friends think you're selfish..."); I especially don't like that it raises suspicions about who said what. I don't think it has anything to do with having onion sacks, though, or that doing it makes someone a girl (as if that's a pathology), any more than you lack sacks, or are a girl by knocking Mike A in his absence (essentially the same kind of behind-the-back whispering), or use name-calling to get your point across: it's childish and petty, nothing worse. Please don't retreat into the locker room or meat locker where such name calling would be normal among the guys. If that's the case, it's a petty locker room, and I'll stay in the dugout (a baseball metaphor just for you); in any case, the Illman blog doesn't feel like a locker room to me. More to the point, what is it about getting help or learning from someone, whether through email, phone, blog, or in person, that makes someone a "clueless beggar"? A couple weeks ago we were brown noses. Should people feel humiliated and demeaned for forming mentor relationships? I'm proud, not ashamed, when I ask for help. Why don't you "man up" and give students their due? With that in mind, I really am hoping that you'll make it to Del Mar. I don't have a flight yet, but I'm pretty sure it'll work out. I know we'll have a blast, and I promise not to sniff at your heels or bow my head in shame when taking notes, and I'll ask only questions that aren't designed to ingratiate myself to you. Seriously, come, and bring the kids. Bring your bathing suit (and onions), too. Now onto Hollywood's sixth, a race made for you, right BSB? [Actually, at the time of this re-post, it's the seventh. I like Charm the Crowd and All Star Heart, but I will pass the race, because I don't see value in the odds.] Warm wishes Formblog, Jonah
Ron Zuercher More than 1 year ago
Jonah, You asked me recently how I came up with my morning line. That is a tough one and I have been thinking about how to convey this to you. Now, I see it might not be necessary. In your 7-7-11 7:08 post ( you should have waited three more minutes) you state: "[Actually, at the time of this re-post, it's the seventh. I like Charm the Crowd and All Star Heart, but I will pass the race, because I don't see value in the odds.]" If you didn't see value in their odds, then you must have had an idea of what you thought their true odds of winning the race were. Charm the Crowd went off at 3.4 to 1 and All Star Heart won the race at 4.4-1 paying $10.80. Your thoughts may have been something along these lines: "I really think All Star Heart has a big chance. She was improving and in good position in her last race before she fell, at least 5 works since then, all on the turf and the trainer is 24% at 61-180 days off, but I need at least 6-1 to bet her. Other reasons I need 6-1 is that the #1 horse looks like it might have a good chance of wiring this field, the #7, Charm the Crowd, has been off for 10 months, but her running lines look dangerous and she just broke her maiden convincingly before the layoff." But I am sure you had just read Uncle Steve's paradox of a caveat: "Here is another tip from your Uncle Steve… Okay you all know the warning about betting maiden breakers first out against winners, and on the main track that is really true (trust me, I have the losses to prove it) – but there is a second part to that caveat, which is it is not so true with turfers; a stellar maiden run on turf is reason to consider their first out against winners in a turf race." Posted 4:33 pm 7-7-11 So, for you to have made that statement, you must be getting a feeling for the horses and the race in which they are entered. For me, to make my morning line of what I think their true odds are of winning the race: 1. I get a guage on how good the horse is. 2. I get a guage on how good the horse is compared to the rest of the field. 3. How much will this horse's running style affect her chances of winning in this field? 4. How much of a part will the jockey play? 5. How much of a part will the post postition play? 6. Have I seen this situation before? Yes, I'm sure. What was the outcome? These questions and many others play a part in making the odds line. I don't even think that I consciously think about these things anymore. It is just integrated into my handicapping style that has developed over the years. To confuse you even more, now that the race is over and she won easily, what were her true odds? The 4.4-1 that she paid? The 6-1 you may have given her? Or was she less than even money since she won so convincingly? RonZ
Virgin Queen More than 1 year ago
" you could have a "bragging/redboarding" section" excellent idea...then they could all DUKE it out in there own little sandbox. HG241 much rejoicing...owned by AJ SUITED racing stable..nothing else i need 2 know. Rose Catherine&Searoad...best of the race. the play... $50 tri...4/3,6/3,6 gl VQ
Taz More than 1 year ago
hg - $5 tri 6,1/4,7,8/6,1,4,7,8 = $90 $1.20 supr 6,1/7,8/6,1,7,8/6,1,7,8 = $9.60 total $99.60 gl to all taz
keith More than 1 year ago
HG Rose Catherine is just not the same and she faces serious speed in Qualia. I think those two create problems for each other and both get overbet. I like Much Rejoicing. She wins at this condition two back, gets thrown to the GR I wolves in the Just a Game and I do believe she has a lot of room to improve. $5 Tri 4/1,2,3,6,7/1,2,3,6,7
Alan More than 1 year ago
Boy oh boy... I took some time-off this afternoon to read Formblog and up pops the old "What goes on here" discussion.  I wish we had mini-threads, so it would be easier to ignore posts - for example, it would be easier for you to ignore mine!  You could have a "Bragging/Redboarding" section, an "I Stink at This" section, a "Dan is the Worst Handicapper Ever" section (I'd ignore that one), an "Annie corrects an Alan comment" section and an "Another Stupid Alan Idea" section. HG241 The Caress #3 Rose Catherine will likely get a good frontrunning trip and should be able to wire this field.  She is 2-2 at BEL.  WIN Well bred #4 Much Rejoicing cuts back in distance and will hopefully be the best of the closers.  PLACE WAGER: A straight exacta of these top two. $100 EX #3/4 Good luck children!! PS: Did DRF make it easier to read CAPTCHA since I last posted or has my vision improved?
Ned Daly More than 1 year ago
I am not watching Australian horse racing, but I am watching the Tour de France. The Green Jersey (points) competition within the race is sponsored by PariMutuel Urbain (PMU). This is the entity that conducts all the wagering on horse races in France. OTB style parlors AND the mutuel windows at the tracks. Vive la France, and good luck to all.