11/03/2010 7:02PM

Espoir City, Together, Dual Pre-Entries, Ten Most Wanted, Early BC Opinions

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Finally got a chance to catch my breath. Let's get to some questions

 

Dan-
RE: Espoir City/Breeders cup classic imports
I know this is a bit premature but is there anyway you could post the PP's for Espoir City? Im curious to see where he stacks up against the other top contenders in this race. I know that imports have been coming over to race in the breeders cup classic since its inception but i was wondering if you could look up and post the data on how these types faired in the classic. Perhaps seeing the numbers without using the last two yrs on ProRide. I know Giant's Causeway did well and i know im forgetting most of em but i thought it would be interesting to see how horses such as Espoir City have fared when invading the u.s. for bcc.
Also Dan......just as an early point of discussion......would you consider using a horse like Espoir City (an import not accustomed to u.s dirt racing) in the classic? as a win contender?? or maybe underneath in exotics?? So difficult to handicap these types for so many different reasons and i wonder whether you are just better making them beat you....even for the 2 and 3 holes or do you have to consider one like this strongly. Any thoughts or opinions you have would be appreciated as well as the info if thats something you can do easily. Simple win and ITM finishes for them if possible. What about rest of you....any thougts on Espoir City or BCC imports as a whole?
eric t


 

 

Espoir City's past performances are available on the HandiGambling pp's located at the bottom of this blog post.

I don't like the horse. I think he's more of a miler than a true ten-furlong horse (although he did win the Japan Cup Dirt at 1 1/8 miles last year). At least he has dirt form. Many foreign invaders that race on dirt in the Breeders' Cup have none whatsoever. I usually try to beat those runners. Sure, Arcangues will happen once in a blue moon, but these races feature such classy runners that I really need to see some dirt form from a foreigner before I heavily rely on them in my wagering.

Here is a video of Espoir City's most recent win (Kashiwa Kinen - Funabashi, May 5, 2010):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBVxh9yaKys

I didn't like how he switched back to his wrong lead once he made the front.

Here's Espoir City finishing second in the Mile Championship at Moriuka on October 11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyxiRuHYNA

Please click on the below link for a history of foreign runners on dirt in the Breeders' Cup (1986-2008):

http://www.breederscup.com/blog.aspx?id=20&postid=431


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Dan,
I have two past performance requests. I loved both Tranquility Lake and Astra. Neither of them won Eclipse Awards so they aren't in "Champions".
Can you please post PP's for Tranquility Lake and Astra? I'd really appreciate it!
Paseana


 

 

The past performances that you requested are available at the bottom of this blog posting.

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Dan,
Like you I threw out Trappe Shot in the mile and a quarterTravers because he was also entered in the 7 furlong Kings Bishop the same day leading me to the conclusion he wasn't really live for either race because the connections couldn't make up their minds which distance he was suited for. I was wondering how many horses have won Breeder's Cup races that have been pre-entered for two races?
Jim Tully

 

Jim, I'm not that smart. Despite worrying about the waffling connections, I still incorrectly picked Trappe Shot on top in the Travers.

Let's just go back to last year:

Zenyatta was pre-entered in both the Ladies' Classic and the Classic. We know how that turned out.

Dancing in Silks won the Sprint after being cross-entered in the Turf Sprint.

Vale of York upset the Juvenile after being cross-entered in the Juvenile Turf.

In 2008, Ventura won the Sprint after being cross-entered in the Mile.

That year, Goldikova was also pre-entered in the Filly and Mare Turf and Classic winner Raven's Pass was cross-entered in the Mile.

I don't believe that any cross-entered horses won a Breeders' Cup race in either 2006 or 2007.

I might lessen my opinion on a runner if said runner was competing in the "second preference" race. Other than that, I don't pay much attention to it.

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Dan, I was spending an afternoon at Arlington back in the early 90s. I was watching a horse literally limping and staggering around the paddock ring. I couldn't believe he wasn't a vet scratch. I looked at my program. The horse's name was Jilsie's Gigolo. A bell went off in my head--there had been a big article in the DRF about this horse. He was receiving all kinds of unconventional treatments including acupuncture. I could not bring myself to place a bet based upon his physical appearance. Boy was I mad when he won like a good thing and paid over $18.00! Could you post Jilsie's Gigolo's PPs? Thanks
Dan!
Sandra



Jilsie's Gigolo's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog posting.

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Dan -
I love your blog. You weave together handicapping, racing history and current events in nearly every entry. I'm just catching up on some of your posts I missed over the summer and found that your DRF webmaster has broken the links to some of the past performances you had shared with your readers. The July 2 posting had the great TaWee and some other great filly and mare sprinters. Other blog posts from dates earlier than August also have broken links. I thought I also ran across a Dr Fager PP link that was also broken when reading a few weeks back. Could you ask the web guys to restore the links to the PPs for the great champions you've posted? I was going to ask this a few weeks ago when I first noticed the broken links but finally did after a visit by John Nerud to the HOF here last weekend. It renewed my interest in reading about TaWee and her brother.(not Highbinder). Thanks so much and keep up the great work.
Jim D. in Saratoga



Hi Jim D.,

Thanks for the kind words. Once we changed blog providers, we were able to keep old posts, but lost access to uploaded files within those old posts. If you have any requests from an old post, let me know, and I can re-post them for you.

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you please post th Hoppse beayer figure of Mr Hopps ,he ran in the 6th at Belmont 10 / 24 / 10


Thank you
Rich



Mr. Hopps received a 61 Beyer Speed Figure.

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I always felt Ten Most Wanted was super horse who would make a formidable stud. Has he turned out any runners and can you show his stud stats so far
Richie B



He's been a disappointment at stud. I believe he has one stakes-winner from three crops to race. This season, his progeny numbered 69 starters, 438 starts, 24 winners, 1 stakes-winner.

In 2009, his progeny included 67 starters, 570 starts, 36 winners, 0 stakes-winners

In 2008, his progeny made 42 starters, 154 starts, 2 winners, 0 stakes-winners

You can access his stallion page from Magali Farms in California:

http://www.magalifarms.com/
 

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Got thru first 2 bc races today. As much as I respect Chris Block, if Giant Oak is issue best marathon horse, I'll take a European! In 2yo turf fillie, Together looks like the most talented but, Dan and fellow bloggers, is she over the top and warn out from a tough 2yo season?
steve taylor



Steve, I thought that the Juvenile Fillies was an intriguing race. In my opinion, Together is one of 11 that can win. I didn't like her last race, however. She got to drifting so badly in the stretch that it is fair to wonder if the seven-race campaign has taken its toll.

She's playable in multi-race wagers and exotics, but I'm not sure I'd back her to win at too short of a price.

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Dan
I was wondering if you can find the past performances of a late 1970's allowance runner that ran in New York named KNIGHT OF HONOR... he won a feature race at Aqueduct (maybe 1977) the first time I ever went to the races.
Paul



Knight of Honor's past performances are available at the bottom of this blog posting.

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Here's a list of horses that I'll be tracking throughout the Breeders' Cup (full analysis tomorrow when I touch down in Louisville):

Marathon - A.U. Miner (4-1 ML)

FM Sprint - Moontune Missy (30-1 ML)

Juvenile Fillies - Awesome Feather (6-1 ML)

FM Turf - Miss Keller (8-1 ML)

Juvenile Turf - Master of Hounds (9-2 ML)

Sprint - Big Drama (7-2 ML)

Turf Sprint - Bridgetown (12-1 ML)

Juvenile - Boys At Tosconova (5-2 ML)

Classic - Haynesfield (12-1 ML)

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Congrats to Dale for finishing first in last week's Charles Town HandiGambling. This week's race will be the Breeders' Cup Classic.

***PAST PERFORMANCES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS BLOG POST***

Remember that you have a mythical $100 with which to wager on the race, and the entrant with the highest money total will receive a "Monthly Enhanced 60-Card Past Performance Plan." Anyone going over the $100 limit will be disqualified. Please post your plays and analysis to the blog. In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. One entry per person please. I reserve the right to approve or deny any entries.

I know that there is a time issue for some of you, but let's remember why we began the HandiGambling races in the first place. The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses, and why we're betting them the way we are. I'm not asking for a novel, but if you could spare a sentence or two outlining your handicapping angles, and thought processes about wagering, it would be appreciated.

Best of luck to all.


 


 


 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jilsie's Gigolo.PDF80.59 KB
Tranquility LakeAstra.PDF66.5 KB
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BC Classic.pdf182.5 KB