03/16/2017 7:58PM

Derby turmoil

It's safe to say that the Kentucky Derby picture is in some disarray at the moment. An argument can be made that the two best 3-year-olds in the country are MASTERY and UNIQUE BELLA, and neither are being pointed for the race. 
Mastery was sensational in winning the Grade 2 San Felipe last Saturday, but he was pulled up quickly on the gallop-out and his rider, Mike Smith, dismounted on the clubhouse turn. Mastery was vanned off with a condylar fracture to his left front leg and his racing future is in doubt. 
Meanwhile, trainer Jerry Hollendorfer seems content to send Unique Bella to Kentucky as a strong favorite for the Kentucky Oaks. She'll likely make her final prep for that prestigious race in the Grade 1 Santa Anita Oaks on April 5. If she runs in that spot, she would have accrued zero Kentucky Derby qualifying points.
That leaves a hodgepodge of 3-year-olds with varying degrees of talent and experience. The crop began to unravel somewhat when the talented NOT THIS TIME, runner-up in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, was retired with an injury to his right front leg.
CLASSIC EMPIRE, the deserving 2-year-old champion and Breeders' Cup Juvenile winner, disappointed when a flat third in his seasonal debut in the Holy Bull. He then emerged from the race with a foot abscess. Due to that setback, he'll only run once more before the Kentucky Derby. Even if he passes the test in Keeneland's Blue Grass Stakes, we know that Classic Empire is a temperamental sort, one that could come unglued in front of a giant paddock audience at Churchill.
MO TOWN, the Remsen winner last fall at Aqueduct, fired a dud in his first start of the year in the Risen Star Stakes at Fair Grounds. UNCONTESTED, the runaway Smarty Jones winner over a wet track at Oaklawn, faded tamely when challenged in his subsequent start in the Southwest. GUEST SUITE won the Lecomte before finishing an even fourth in the Risen Star. El AREEB roared through the Jerome and Withers in New York, but was cooked by a fast pace in the Gotham. IRISH WAR CRY burst onto the scene after upsetting Classic Empire in the Holy Bull, but didn't pick up his feet in the Fountain of Youth. Grade 1 winner GORMLEY couldn't step with Mastery in the San Felipe. ILIAD and PRACTICAL JOKE might have distance limitations. 
Any and all of these horses could rebound with a big effort. It's just hard to trust horses that have either missed an assignment or are coming off dull efforts.
Who's left?
MCCRAKEN is the current leader on the NTRA Top Three-Year-Old Poll (https://www.ntra.com/ntra-top-thoroughbred-poll-march-13-2017/). It's understandable considering he's undefeated and was flattered when the horse he beat in the Sam F. Davis, TAPWRIT, returned to easily grab last Saturday's Tampa Bay Derby. The issue with McCraken is that he had an issue, a minor physical problem that forced trainer Ian Wilkes to bypass the Tampa Bay Derby and re-route to the Blue Grass. IF McCraken is 100% healthy, he's a major player in this division. 
GUNNEVERA isn't the most exciting 3-year-old in the country, but he's a blue-collar performer that just puts his head down and runs. I usually am not enamored with one-run closers that need pace help, but Gunnevera earned a great deal of respect in winning the Fountain of Youth. 
Tapwrit and ONE LINER are two dangerous horses for Todd Pletcher. The former looked good when second in the Sam F. Davis, improved in the Tampa Bay Derby, and seems on his way for Pletcher. He's a big contender. One Liner is lightly-raced, but he ran fast when winning the Southwest in his first start around two turns. I'm not sure if these two horses are true stayers in the vein of a 10-furlong runner, but they tick many of the other boxes.
J BOYS ECHO does have that strong route pedigree and he gave a breakthrough performance in the Gotham. It must be noted, however, that he received a dream trip tracking a hotly-contested pace. Perhaps J Boys Echo has figured out the game. I'll need to see it again before I'm completely convinced.
GIRVIN looks like a hard-trying sort. He's lightly-raced with upside potential, but worked out a great in-out trip in winning the Risen Star. Plus, the Fair Grounds route hasn't been the ideal road to success at Churchill Downs over the past few years. 
Maybe this week's Rebel Stakes (featuring AMERICAN ANTHEM, ROYAL MO, MALAGACY, Uncontested, PETROV and some other promising 3-year-olds) will clear this picture up a bit. If not, then it might soon be time to consider horses that must break some "Derby rules."
You all know my feeling's about EPICHARIS as I've blogged about him here for several months so there's no need to get too in-depth. In my mind, he's won half the battle as he already has a Derby slot waiting for him if the connections decide to opt for the race. He runs against real competition for the first time in next Saturday's UAE Derby. Considering the unstable nature of the division, maybe this is the year a foreign-based horse will win the roses. 
It could be that old Apollo's record is about to be challenged. You've heard it a million times..."no horse since Apollo in 1882 has won the Derby without having raced as a 2-year-old." Cloud Computing lacks juvenile experience, but he has the right trainer in Chad Brown and gave a bang-up performance after being up on that hot pace in the Gotham. 
The deck has shuffled many times this spring. Don't be surprised if there are more twists and turns on the road to Louisville.
*The FormBlog Convention is one of the higlights of my year, and I had a fantastic time meeting up with Bobc, DavidM, Laura, Dennis and Rose of Moline, Jeff "the Chalk-Eating Weasel," Annette "Mrs. Chalk-Eating Weasel," and the whole gang. Thanks to Gulfstream Park for the wonderful hospitality shown to our group. Many thanks to everyone that attended, and everyone that was rooting us on from home. Laura deserves all the credit for making these outings happen. She's a dynamo and everything seems to always go off without a hitch. It's never too early to start making plans for next year. I promise you won't be disappointed.
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Dan, Giant Oak has passed away. I know he was a favorite and source of frustration for both of us. Please post his past performances in honor of this great Illinois bred. 
Jim Tully
Giant Oak's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post. 
Luke Clowes from Twitter writes:
"when you do post could you include the pp's of All Along? Cheers."
Her lifetime past performances are at the bottom of the blog.
Here are the top 25 WINNING Beyer Speed Figures from 3/1/17 - 3/7/17:
1. STILL KRZ - 108 - OC 62k/N2X -N - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - 4Mar17-7AQU
2. BIRD SONG - 102 - Fred W. Hooper Stakes (G3) - 1 Mile - 4Mar17-5GP 
2. ISABELLE - 102 - Heavenly Prize Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles (Inner Dirt) - 4Mar17-3AQU
2. J BOYS ECHO - 102 - Gotham Stakes (G3) - 1 1/16 Miles (Inner Dirt) - 4Mar17-8AQU
2. STORMY LIBERAL - 102 - Joe Hernandez Stakes - About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - 4Mar17-7SA 
6. HEART TO HEART - 100 - Canadian Turf (G3) - 1 Mile (Turf) - 4Mar17-11GP
7. WAKE FOREST (GER) - 99 - Mac Diarmida Stakes (G2) - 1 3/8 Miles (Turf) - 4Mar17-12GP 
8. GUNNEVERA - 97 - Fountain of Youth Stakes (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles - 4Mar17-13GP 
8. SUFFUSED (GB) - 97 - The Very One Stakes (G3) - 1 3/16 Miles (Turf) - 4Mar17-7GP 
8. UNIQUE BELLA - 97 - Santa Ysabel Stakes (G3) - 1 1/16 Miles - 4Mar17-6SA 
11. CALCULATOR - 96 - OC 62k/N2X -N - About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - 2Mar17-7SA 
12. CELESTINE - 95 - Sand Springs Stakes - 1 Mile (Turf) - 4Mar17-6GP
13. ROCKSHAW - 93 - Gazebo Stakes - 6 Furlongs - 4Mar17-7OP 
14. GAMBLER'S GHOST - 90 - Wcl 25000 - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - 4Mar17-1AQU
14. JUNIOR GILLIAM - 90 - Alw 56345N1X - 6 Furlongs - 5Mar17-8SA 
14. PRETTY N COOL - 90 - Las Flores Stakes (G3) - 6 Furlongs - 5Mar17-3SA 
17. SALTY - 89 - Md Sp Wt 38k - 7 Furlongs - 5Mar17-6GP 
17. SOUTHSIDE WARRIOR - 89 - Alw 40000N1X - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - 4Mar17-3FG 
19. LET US BE GLAD - 88 - Dixie Poker Ace Stakes - 1 Mile (Turf) - 4Mar17-7FG 
19. SHUFFLE UP - 88 - Alw 50000s - 1 Mile 70 Yards (Inner Dirt) - 4Mar17-6AQU
21. CHAMPAGNE CHARLEY (FR) - 88 - OC 40k/N1X -N - 1 Mile (Turf) - 5Mar17-2SA 
21. CONQUEST BIGLUCK E - 88 - Clm 50000(50-45)N2Y - 1 1/16 Miles - 4Mar17-6OP 
21. MARQUEE CAL GAL - 88 - OC 50k/C -N - 6 Furlongs (Polytrack) - 4Mar17-7TP 
21. SIR SEARSUCKER - 88 - Alw 22000NC - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - 5Mar17-7TUP
25. COZY LOVER - 87 - Alw 25000s - 5 1/2 Furlongs - 7Mar17-8PRX
25. ROYAL BLESSING - 87 - OC25k/SAL16k - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - 5Mar17-11GP 
25. TICONDEROGA - 87 - Palm Beach Stakes (G3) - 4Mar17-9GP 
25. YES YES YES - 87 - Clm 45000(50-45) - About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - 4Mar17-1SA 
*Still Krz's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.
Here are the top 25 WINNING Beyer Speed Figures from 3/8/17 - 3/14/17:
1. SHAMAN GHOST (G1) - 108 - Santa Anita Handicap (G1) - 11Mar17-10SA 
2. PAY ANY PRICE - 106 - Silks Run Stakes - 5 Furlongs (Turf) - 11Mar17-12GP 
3. MASTERY - 105 - San Felipe Stakes (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles - 11Mar17-5SA 
4. DENMAN'S CALL - 104 - Triple Bend Stakes (G1) - 7 Furlongs - 11Mar17-8SA 
4. WHITMORE - 104 - Hot Springs Stakes - 6 Furlongs - 11Mar17-6OP 
6. RECTIFY - 103 - OC 40k/N2X - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - 12Mar17-4AQU
7. BAL A BALI (BRZ) - 102 - Frank E. Kilroe Mile (G1) - 1 Mile (Turf) - 11Mar17-9SA 
7. STANFORD - 102 - Challenger Stakes - 1 1/16 Miles - 11Mar17-8TAM
9. SUNNY RIDGE - 99 - Stymie Stakes - 1 1/8 Miles (Inner Dirt) - 12Mar17-8AQU
10. DICKINSON - 98 - Hillsborough Stakes (G2) - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - 11Mar17-10TAM
10. ILLUMINANT - 98 - Wishing Well Stakes - About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Turf) - 10Mar17-5SA 
12. INSIDE STRAIGHT - 97 - OC 50k/C -N - 1 Mile - 10Mar17-7OP 
13. BELIEVE IN BERTIE - 96 - Red Camelia Stakes - 1 Mile (Turf) - 11Mar17-6FG 
13. JAY GATSBY - 96 - OC 75k/C -N - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - 10Mar17-9GP 
13. PROSPECT PARK - 96 - OC 75k/C -N - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - 9Mar17-2SA 
13. SPARTIATIS - 96 - Tom Fool Handicap (G3) - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - 11Mar17-8AQU
13. TAPWRIT - 96 - Tampa Bay Derby (G2) - 1 1/16 Miles - 11Mar17-11TAM
18. CIMPL MAN - 95 - OC 40k/N1X -N - 1 Mile (Turf) - 9Mar17-5SA 
19. FRENCH QUARTER - 94 - OC c-62k/N2X - 6 Furlongs - 10Mar17-10GP 
19. GOODYEARFORROSES (IRE) - 94 - Santa Ana Stakes (G2) - 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) - 12Mar17-7SA 
21. CAUSE FOR SURPRISE - 93 - Alw 50000s - 6 Furlongs (Inner Dirt) - 12Mar17-7AQU
21. CARRADINE - 93 - OC 80k/N1X -N - 1 1/16 Miles (Inner Dirt) - 10Mar17-8AQU
21. PRUDHOE BAY - 93 - OC c-12k/N1X - 6 Furlongs - 11Mar17-7GP 
24. PRETTY PERFECTION - 92 - Captiva Island Stakes - 5 Furlongs (Turf) - 11Mar17-4GP 
25. AMERICAN PASTIME - 91 -  Md Sp Wt 56k - 6 Furlongs - 11Mar17-7SA 
25. GOLD SHIELD - 91 - OC 32k/N2X -N - 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) - 11Mar17-6TAM
25. HOMESPUN HERO - 91 - OC 25k/N1X -N - 7 Furlongs - 12Mar17-12GP 
*Shaman Ghost's lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog post.
*French Quarter was claimed for $62,500 by trainer David Fawkes from John Mattine.
*Prudhoe Bay was claimed for $12,500 by trainer Michael Maker from Saffie Joseph, Jr.
Congrats to Little Deb for winning the most recent HandiGambling challenge.
Rick M and SR VEGAS' HG scoreboard spreadsheet is available at the bottom of this blog post. 
Let's go with Saturday's Rebel Stakes from Oaklawn as this week's exercise.
SR Vegas and Rick M. have graciously decided to update all of the HG rules in order to make them an easier read for everyone...
HANDIGAMBLING version 2016:
Let's remember WHY we began the HandiGambling races in the first place.
The goal was to share ideas on why we like these horses and why we're betting them the way we are. We are not asking for a novel but SPARE A SENTENCE OR TWO outlining your HANDICAPPING ANGLES and/or THOUGHT PROCESSES about WAGERING.
1. Start your post with HG or HANDIGAMBLING to find your entry in a thread.
2. You have a mythical $100 to wager in whatever format you choose that is available for that HG race. Anyone going over the $100 limit will be DISQUALIFIED.
3. Post your WAGER and ANALYSIS to the blog prior to the start of the designated race. SIGN OFF WITH YOUR NAME/OR MONIKER AT THE END OF YOUR POST. Remember that posts may start as 'anonymous' or an 'alternate name'. You MUST SIGN YOURSELF AT THE END (even if it is the same) This enables the scorekeeper to identify who you are.
4. (1) ONE ENTRY per person for the Handigambling contest. If you have multiple email addresses, use just ONE for contest purposes. Multiple entries will be cause for disqualification.
5. Separate your analysis from the wager and use the PROGRAM # in your wager. Just like you would do in a real wager. No horse names.
6. If any of the rules listed above aren't met, the wager is subject to review which can lead to disqualification of your entry.
In the event of a tie, the earliest post gets first preference. Dan reserves the right to approve or deny any entries.
The winner will receive a "60-Card Quarterly Formulator Past Performance Plan"
As an example :
HG 2016
The speed in this race are #1 Alpha, #2 Beta, and #8 Ocho. I like the works for layoff horse #5 Cinco who can sit off the pace. Lots of speed in here, so this could set up for a closer like  #6 Six Flags and I like the trainer's stats in these conditions. I’ll put the closer over the speed.
HG wager:
$10 EX   6 /   1,2,5, 8  = $40
$5 TRI   6 /   1,2,5,8  /  1,2,5,8  =  $60
Total $100
Thanks Dan!
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Curt Vassallo 8 hours ago
You Feel Lucky,

   Nice try w/#6 Malagacy.  U like that saying about the Stretcher Pletcher?   Very nice.


   I agree about the outcome of the Rebel.  I still say I won the HG.  $25 Exacta 6/5.  I watched it live & I watched it 5 or 10 X's on replay  I slow motioned the finish line.  & Every time it is 6/5.  Vic Stauffer called it 6/4.  So, I really knew I had it after his call.  He's always wrong.  To this day I cannot believe the result as posted.  I demand an 'Inquiry'.  Only kidding Dan.{about the inquiry}.  I still say it was 6/5.

Dominic or Pig Bodine,

   Since U don't seem to remember my saying or who said it, it was Ur paisano.  U know it was me.  Signore...Por favore...C'mon Dominic.  So, just to clarify.  

"LEAVE off Pletcher, & get carried off on a STRETCHER."  Try & remember it$$$.  Did U tip the paramedics?  Heeheehee.

Somebody please take TOTALITY off my hands.  I'll pay for all the transportation costs.  I'd rather have fun w/my 2 goats.

©Curtis V Slewster ۩

ed 9 hours ago
 Thanks. CE is really trying to test my belief in him. Not a big fan of a non working horse with a bad back. Scary way to get ready for the greatest 2 minutes in sports. Blue Grass could be my Waterloo.

Anybody got a good race for our contest?
Debra Russell 9 hours ago
..I'm really sorry to hear of your convalescing period.  It is unfortunate that the body does not always conform to our every wish.  Hence, the need to bend to it's wishes, sometimes. Just taking it easy for a while, does wonders for the body.  We all care about you over here, and that's because we are your extended family.  We can control the spirit, and this HG group would like to help you do that.  Please do continue to post, as your opinion is respected as evidenced by the many return posts to you.  It's Kentucky Derby time and pretty soon, Royal Ascot, which means warm weather.  So do take the best care of yourself, and for now, let your computer fingers do the walking.
............................. Little Deb
Debra Russell 10 hours ago
SR Vegas
... I'm sorry for missing the notation of your 23 anniversary.  However, since it is anno, the celebration is applicable for many months to come.  With that in mind, I'll like to add my Happy Congratulations to you and yours.  
.. It does not amaze me any, as your many posts, which are normally pleasant, suggest a personality that cares about others.  So, with a selfless disposition , I cannot see any hindrance to your exercising 23 more years.  That's what I wish for you, and I'm sure that all your HG friends here will chorus that sentiment.
..................................Little Deb.
Anonymous 11 hours ago

Well, thank goodness, your CLASSIC EMPIRE finally got in a work. Went to Ocala and got away from Palm Meadows. I think he just thought too many bad things happened when he worked at Palm Meadows. He probably remembers his sore back, etc. Maybe it's not that he is a bad boy, but just a smart boy. :) Good luck in the Blue Grass!!!

Anonymous 12 hours ago

Your horse is MALAGACY. You must have felt lucky for the draw. :)

He is a chestnut colt by Shackleford out of Classiest Gem by Dehere. He was born 3/30/14. Your trainer is Todd Pletcher.

He sold for 190K as a 2-year-old. He is 3 for 3, and has earned $586,800, most of that from winning the Rebel the day after you received him in the draw. :) He also gave you 50 points and a Derby entry. Pretty lucky. :)

One caveat: He does carry the Apollo Curse, as all three races were this year. Now we will see if making your first start on 1/4 instead of 12/31 makes a difference. :) Good luck!!!


Your horse is GIRVIN.

He is a dark bay or brown colt by Tale of Ekati out of Catch the Moon by Malibu Moon. He was born 3/31/2014. Your trainer is Joe Sharp.

He was a 130K yearling buy. He has raced 3 times, with 2 wins and 1 second, and has earned $274,400. He came to you complete with 50 points for winning the GR2 Risen Star. :) He has been working at FG, with his latest work on 3/18. Maybe Louisiana Derby next?

Good luck!!!


Good to see you back, btw. Your horse is BATTLE OF MIDWAY.

He is a bay colt by Smart Strike out of Rigoletta by Concerto. He was born on 1/30/2014. Your trainer is Jerry Hollendorfer.

He sold for 410K as a yearling! He has raced 3 times, with 2 wins and 1 third, and has earned $90,000 so far. He was third in the GR2 San Vicente and then won an OC75KN1X on 3/9, beating my REACH THE WORLD by a neck. :)

Like my boy, he carries the APOLLO CURSE, so good luck!!!

There they are. All 17 new MKBS. We shall see how they fare against the December MKBs going forward. Good luck to all MKBs!!!


Your AMERICAN ANTHEM threw a shoe in the Rebel, so maybe that's his excuse. He was running a bit lop-sided. :) Better luck next time!!!

. Anderson 13 hours ago
Out of the Gate
I liked the one-hour "weekend prep" show that debuted on DRF last weekend. I will miss watching Dan and Mike and Matt on Saturday afternoons, my guess is that there were too few people tuning in to make it worthwhile.
Anonymous 13 hours ago

UAE Derby: We will have two MKBs:

SR VEGAS' Epicharis
ALFREDO'S Master Plan

How about that matchup? :) Good luck to you both!!! I guess the one you have to watch out for is THUNDER SNOW.

It appears none of the MKBs want to bother with the Spiral. I don't know, could be an easy way to get the points.

Two I've seen as possibles for the Sunland Derby:

TOM W'S Irap
RANDO'S Bronze Age


Well, have you read the blog and seen your new horse from the March Draw?

Back shortly with the final three Bios.

DavidM9999 15 hours ago

This is the time of year the turf course at GP speeds up. I expect to continue to see some quicker times as the Championship meet winds down. Over the past week we have seen Team of Teams fly home in 16.77 and 40.5MPH. ;  MSW winner Big Handsome runs 11.05 and finishes quick 5F in 54.55 at 41 MPH. The cheaper Sinatra comes home sub 17. MSW winner Bealestreet Dancer won a long route off slow fractions with a 11.14 come home but Snicker was coming 10.96. Brucarita backed up her quick prior come home winning at 5-1 in a quick 28.31. Pay Any Price set a new course record for 5F at 53.61.

The DRF is reporting trainer Eduardo Ramirez was fined for racing two horses at Delta under the wrong names. Apparently Ramirez got Tough to the Bone and Willieverwin mixed up. Willieverwin did win by a pole at 3-1.The LA authorities say there was NO INTENT. Okay, let’s take a big leap of faith assuming for 73 seconds that Ramirez is a straight shooter. Both horses look similar. Both are about the same size. Maybe Ramirez just does not pay much attention or maybe he has one bad eye. Next up for this to happen the lip tatoo has to be misread or not read at all. Apparently,that happened too, maybe another lazy eye in play. So the state commission gives Ramirez a $1,000  fine and takes away the purse. The fine could grow to $5,000. Questions:

How much money was lost by gamblers on this fiasco?

How do they know there was no intent to deceive?

When is the hammer coming down on incompetency in a major sport?

The answers are no one in LA gives a bleep about integrity, they don’t know for sure, and never. It amazes me the stories we hear in racing day in and day out. I don’t play Delta Downs unless I am buried and on a bender. The stories validate my opinion of their operations.

DAVIDM justice – Ramirez sits for six months. Any horses he owns sits with him in his living room. His close  family or extended family is not allowed to train while he sits. Ramirez must agree to get an annual eye examination at Lens Crafters. He is on zero tolerance going forward.  Zero means zero, not almost zero, or scared we might get sued in court zero. Bring it.  Delta Downs makes public how much money was bet on this race in all pools. They donate every dime (gross basis) to horse charities. The horse identifier sits for six months unpaid along with Ramirez. She gets an annual eye exam too. Next snafu you are DONE also (see previous definition of zero tolerance). As to the test barn officials who did not do their jobs post race just pick one then fire them.No need for the eye exam. 

Dan can you post the PP’s for both Ramirez horses – Tough to the Bone and Willieverwin.



Most public handicappers like TVG or DRF are assigned races to cover. They give selections for what races come up on their shift. However,they may have a much stronger opinion on other races outside their shifts. This format allows them to look at the whole day or weekend then come with their strongest opinion weighting risk v. reward. Personally, in my experience only bettors that use a Tout Service I see as folks that follow a Pied Piper mentality. Often deep pocket types but lazier than some not wanting to put in any of the day to day effort. They ask or pay for a tip then likely just bet it. However, most seasoned people here seek information and opinions but will not follow it blindly. We throw it in the blender, hit puree, and possibly use it creatively along with our opinions. As you know I copy you in on a "Tout Report" that I get. I don't pay for them, won't ever and very often have zero picks in common with them. I do enjoy reading a professional who produces the ECHR or WCHR Reports to see how pros look at races. For better or worse I often disagree with the conclusions.

I agree with you.  I have no issues with any public handicapper giving their opinions. It is a core part of the job description. After all we are watching the shows for many reasons including knowledge, entertainment and to make money. I do think a running tally of how the selections have done makes sense adding the element of accountability and increasing credibility. Matt Carothers on TVG used to do that each year. The problem there is the handicapper can become a slave to his scorecard trying to bet ridiculous long shots to get into positive territory late in the year. Matt fell prey to that in one or two years. 


I heard a strange one on the news this morning. Scientists have concluded combining a Red Bull with alcohol is “more” dangerous than just straight alcohol. I could have saved them the money spent on the study. Seems like common sense right? DAVIDM9999 says combining heroin with alcohol is likely “more” dangerous than straight alcohol too. I don’t know how they come up funding for these studies but likely Red Bull did not pay for it. Thinking you and I may have paid for it. 

 Everyone have a fun day!

Penguin ymous 17 hours ago
On your new show last week, you picked Malagacy and stated you would need 5-1 to wager on him.  I know you make a value line as I do.

Barring scratches, are there any circumstances where you might change your mind and think you might have been too harsh on a horse?  For instance, after the wagering opens and proceeds.  

In the Form, Malagacy certainly looks like he has a chance but he does have questions.  Horses like that, I tend to make a note in the Form that if they are less than certain odds, to take a second look.  In Malagacy's case, I made him 6-1 on my value line and if he is 7/2 or less to maybe reconsider.

To me, he was "bet like a winner" from start to finish and then ran like it.