02/20/2009 5:02PM

Derby 10, Stakes horses, Slumps?

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Dan, 
Thursdays 8th at GP is an allowance race only but Dunkirk looked like a real runner to me in his maiden debut, I'm gonna say he ends up in you top 10 very soon.
Hillbilly


Dunkirk certainly was impressive considering his inexperience.  Here's how the top ten list looks right now:

1.  Hello Broadway - Half-brother to Nobiz Like Shobiz gets two-turn test in Tampa Bay Derby.

2   Old Fashioned - Southwest was a good starting point for undefeated colt.

3.  Friesan Fire - Love the tactical speed he shows in his races

4.  Pioneerof the Nile - Showed huge kick in Lewis.  Another that must show up on dirt in Derby..

5.  Dunkirk -  Won nine-furlong allowance despite losing significant ground.

6.  The Pamplemousse - Training swiftly.  Can he run any on dirt?

7.  Desert Party - Sanford winner has thrived in Dubai..

8.  General Quarters - Won Sam F. Davis in fast time.  Fluke?

9.  Bear's Rocket - Showed good speed in first start on dirt.

10.  West Side Bernie - Outside post did him no favors in Holy Bull.

Honorable Mentions:

Break Water Edison
Take the Points
Sumo
Pitched Perfectly
Flying Pegasus
Mr. Fantasy
Papa Clem
Valid Stripes
Midshipman
I Want Revenge
Patena
Chocolate Candy
Haynesfield
Giant Oak
Beethoven
Masala
Uno Mas
Bittel Road
Parade Clown

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Thanks to your protests as well as the quick work from our friends at Typepad, we've been able to increase the number of posts per page to 100.  It's not all the way there yet, but it's a start.

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Secondly, I'd like to enlist another search party for some more horses that I am tracking.  Again, they're from the January Mixed Ages Keeneland Sale, and the sale prices are given after the age.

--Tessitura
(4 y/o, $18K)
--Red Carpet Diva
(3 y/o, $14K)
--Buona Sera
(4 y/o, $42K)
--Cambridge Blue
(4 y/o, $57K)
PGM


I'm guessing they're all going to become broodmares although I'm not positive about Red Carpet Diva as she's only three.

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Dan, could you please put the PP for FLAT OUT on the blog? Can this horse get 10f...Gotta think if he ships to Oaklawn or FG, this horse is live, BIG TIME. Maybe the Swale, but isn't that a 7f, or was it lengthened to a mile?
Matt

Here they are:

Download Flat Out

Flat Out is a son of Flatter, a nine-furlong allowance winner at three that finished third in the Grade 2 Washington Park Handicap at 1 3/16 Miles.  Flatter is a full brother to Grade 2 winner Congrats from the family of Eastern Echo, Sea Hero, Hero's Honor, etc. 
The dam has already foaled the solid miler Our Best Man (328K in earnings).  The dam was a multiple stakes-winner at two.  
Can he go 10?  Can any of them?
The Swale is at seven furlongs on March 28.

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On a completely separate note, whatever happened to Tomcito?
cayman01

Tomcito has been working regularly at Palm Meadows.  You can follow his progress on our Disabled List located on the right hand side of the blog.

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I'm in a slump, but one thing (and it just may be "one of those things" that I've noticed on a few occasions lately is identifying a "false favorite" (I'm not  talking about horses like Old Fashioned or Chocolate Candy who  deserved favoritism but didn't  offer value) Top Hedge (the 9) yesterday is a perfect example-was ML fav but his win was a Mdn30 and was an easy throw out for me-Giant Oak in the Risen Star was another, and there have been several others. Now if that "false favorite" wins  the race, I really don't have a problem with that because it wasn't in my opinion, a good risk/reward ratio, but what is happening  to me is that those horses are finishing off the board and I'm not capitalizing. It may just be "one of those things" (I went back and looked at the PPs and I still can't justify using the 5 after the race) but it also may be something others have encountered and there's something you changed to become profitable when you feel strongly that a favorite is a throw out.
Stephen Taylor

Slumps don't make sense from a math perspective, but they exist whether it be hitting a baseball or handicapping horses.  Why do they occur?  Mental fatigue, perhaps.  There are only so many races one can watch and handicap before they all become a giant blur on the brain.  I think you're doing the right thing in trying to identify false favorites.  When folks ask me what's the first thing I do when I open the pp's, I tell them it's to try and find if the favorite in a particular race is vulnerable.  If it is, then I think the race is something I want to get involved with.  There's always going to be a fine line between handicapping and gambling.  You're in a slump from a gambling perspective, but your handicapping seems sound.  Cut back on the exotics when you're in a slump.  Identify a phony favorite, and play a strong win bet on an overlaid contender that catches your eye.

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That DRF would leave some space between the horses on the online PP's to allow room for notes. The old newspaper version has a place for this, but only the last horse has any room for notes on online PP's.
Annie

The Formulator program gives you plenty of room underneath a horse's past performance lines to insert notes. The best part is that you can save those notes and personalize your past performances whenever a horse is running.

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Let's take a look at some interesting horses scheduled to compete in this week's stakes races:

Mac Diarmida (Gulfstream Race 9, Saturday):

There should be a good amount of pace in this 11 furlong marathon with Finallymadeit and Presious Passion in the lineup.  I'm going to go with Baltimore Bob, a recent 'n4x' winner at Gulfstream in his first start for the underrated Helen Pitts.  Baltimore Bob has enough tactical speed to find a decent spot behind the expected duel, and may get the jump on the stone closers from midpack.  He had a pretty good trip when he won last month, but I like the slow, stamina-building workouts he's received over the last few weeks.  Obviously, the additional distance is a concern, but the price should be square.  He's worth a stab.

Valentine Dancer (Santa Anita - Race 9, Saturday)

This might be make or break time for Bel Air Sizzle.  The daughter of Unusual Heat usually has trouble coming out of the starting gate, but when she feels like running, she has a strong late kick.  There is enough pace to setup that kick in the Valentine Dancer, and I'm comfortable throwing out her recent bad races.  Two back, she absolutely abhorred the soft going at Arlington, and last time out, she may have been short off the bench.  Go-Go is compelled to take the mount.

The Very One (Gulfstream - Race 9, Sunday)

Have nothing but respect for both Backseat Rhythm and Criticism, but they're trying 11 furlongs off the layoff, and that ain't easy.  I'll give Sea Chanter a shot for Pletcher and Velazquez.  Last time out, she raced four wide on the far turn while the winner, Waquoit's Love, saved all the ground.  She was forced out a bit in the stretch by tiring favorite Ginger Brew, but only missed all the marbles by a neck.  She's bred to go long on the bottom of her pedigree, and I"m hoping her form goes on to mirror that of J'ray (decent filly that improved with age and distance for Pletcher).  Again, the price will be okay here.

Tampa Bay Stakes (Tampa - Race 8, Saturday)

You have to salivate when Atoned's name shows up in the entries as he's the classic money-burner that will take too much cash based on his overrated reputation.  Now, he's trying turf for the first time.  I say, let him beat you.  Furthest Land has won three in a row since being claimed by Mike Maker, and he has the tactical speed to park himself off the expected solid pace set by Riversrunrylee and Fagedaboudit Sal

Bayou (Fair Grounds - Race 9, Saturday)

Shytoe Lafeet will be relieved when she walks into the paddock, and doesn't see Stormy West, the filly that vanquished her in her last two races.  The Larry Jones-trained Shytoe Lafeet has been very consistent this meet, and seems to have finally found her spot.  Not a lot of value here, but she looks tough.

San Luis Obispo (Santa Anita - Race 8, Sunday)

Medici Code failed to contain Artiste Royal's late surge in the San Marcos, but he seems to be rounding into his best form for Darrell Vienna, and will probably get the jump on his rival once again on Sunday.  I've never really been a Church Service fan as he usually concedes many, many lengths going into the first turn.  Spring House seems off form.  I'm not sure I trust Zambezi Sun off the bench.  Kris Silver and Bonjour should set an honest pace, and Medici Code may be the one to get first run at solid odds.

More importantly, who do you like this weekend?  I want to know.

Best,

Dan

Mickey Hoops More than 1 year ago
HG 122 $8 Tri 2,9/2,5,9,10/2,5,9,10. $2 Tri 10/4,6/4,6.
dylbert More than 1 year ago
HG 122 $1 Tri Box: 3,4,6,7,10 = 60 $1 SH5 P/W: 3,6,10 // 3,6,10 // 3,6,10 // 4,7 // 4,7 = 12 $1 SH5 P/W: 3,6,10 // 3,6,10 // 4,7 // 3,6,10 // 4,7 = 12 $1 SH5 P/W: 4,7 // 3,6,10 // 3,6,10 // 4,7 // 3,6,10 = 12 $4 Exacta: 7-4
billg More than 1 year ago
HANDI 122 One heck of a selection Molesap! I can't seem to talk my way out of the #3 River Spey. Also the #8 and #11 seem to like the 5 1/2 furlong distance best and will use at a price. The #4 was on the rail first out and will benefit from the post to stalk the speed. Afraid that the #2 may be the speed of the speed and ruin the bet. The #6 should also improve with a better start and racing luck. But I will only use the 3,11,8, and 4. The bet is: $25 ex. 3/ 8,11 (50) $20 ex. 3-4 (20) $5 tri key 3/4,8,11 (30) Good luck to all in this and the Pick 6 today!
johnnyz More than 1 year ago
Steve T, Thanks for the workout video. Was the first work for Colonel John I have seen in awhile. All I can say is WOW! Man does he look great and his action was about a fluid as it gets IMO. CJ, has really grown up and appears to me that he will be as lethal as his dad in his next out. Calvin, I just realized tonight that I left General Quarters off my just outside Derby list last night. I actually have him ranked higher than most that I listed. You remember when I told you last week, or the week before about the class in his female family. Well I just ran across this tonight. This is an article by Alan Porter on General Quarters pedigree. Worth a read. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/49343/porter-on-pedigrees-general-quarters Still can't believe this one was claimed for 20K!
Annie More than 1 year ago
Hairy, Glad you did discover that you have a horse and that you are not sulking. Lol All the pertinent details about how you ended up with Take the Points are on page 2 of the last thread beginning with my 2/20- 12:22AM post when I put Dunkirk in the Magic Kleenex Box along with Take the Points. Read on from there including several posts and then the presentation in the 4:54PM post along with another at 5:18 cautioning you not to let Take the Points know you really wanted Dunkirk. Good luck in the Sham! Ice shack? Not me. I don't have anything to do with frozen water. Well, except for ice cubes, of course. Especially during a thaw. They've already hauled a couple of SUVs out of the lakes after the last thaw. It happens every year. Duh! Annie
primo More than 1 year ago
HG 122 $20 W/P 2 $1 sup 2/3,5,7,10 $4 EX 2/3,5,7,10 $5 Ex 3,5,7,10/2
mpm101 More than 1 year ago
HG 122 $36 Win - 4 $20 Ex Box - 4,6 $1 Tri Box - 3,4,6,9 mpm101
Katieattherail More than 1 year ago
HG 122 Picks Amen to the craps table analogy! Prefer the# 4 and the # 6 to the overwhelming fave # 3, so let's box 'em in an exacta as well as straight bets: $ 25 W/P # 6 Miss Cherry $50 $ 10 W/P # 4 Sherry Jo $ 20 $ 2 Exacta Box 3/4/6 $ 12 $ 1 Tri 3,6/4,9,10/6,10,11 $10 $ 1 Tri Box: 9/10/11 $ 6 $1 Ex 3 over 10,11 $2 That's all, folks! Good luck to all HGers today. Katie
slewofdamascus More than 1 year ago
It's somewhat difficult not to take taqarub seriously, afterall, his 109 and 1 from the Jimmy Winkfield was faster than 4yo and up stakes horses later on the same card. Jess Not Jesse exited his previous race and nearly defeated Haynesfield. He's got above average size and speed, but he's virtually untested for class and distance. He's a frontrunner, so the FOY could get very fast early, I can't see this one anywhere else. Much to like but his style may be working against him, he doesn't have to win to impress. What's the price? At 10-1, serious thought would have to be given. Wire to wire? Happens more than people think in "speed-laden" races.
Annie More than 1 year ago
David W, Way to support your horse! It's true, Capt. Candyman Can's name was on everyone's lips after his win, and now nothing. But, that's the way it is. "What have you done for me lately?" The next prep comes along and everyone's talking about that horse or the new rage horse like Dunkirk and the previous prep winners aren't mentioned anymore. Same with Friesan Fire. Now, if he was to win the FOY, he'd be all the rage again. Lol The FOY is looking like "The Gunfight at the OK Corral". Talk about your faceoffs! All you owners better be ready with your excuses, just in case. Annie