09/17/2010 4:04PM

Breeders' Cup/Churchill Downs stats, Quick and Dirty picks


At the FormBlog convention at Arlington Park, Turnbackthealarm and I discussed the perils of being a jockey.

We talked about the flipping, the hours in the hot-box, the pressure of making weight, and the physical dangers a jockey is exposed to from the moment he or she walks into the paddock.  We've seen riders seriously injured from being kicked in the saddling enclosure.  There have been deaths in the starting gate.  And, of course, there have been many, many tragic injuries during the running of a race. 

Pound-for-pound, I believe jockeys are the strongest athletes in the world.  There is no doubt in my mind that they are the toughest.  Part of their job is to have an ambulance follow them around the track, race after race, day after day.  It's a grim reminder of the dangers lurking just around the corner. 

It's easy for racing fans to de-humanize the guys and gals that are taking all of the risks on the track.  If a jock makes a poor decision on one of our horses, they're liable to get an earful.  It's a shame that it takes tragedies like the Rene Douglas and Michael Martinez accidents to bring a rider's plight into greater perspective. 

A fund has been established for Michael Martinez.  If you could find it in your heart to contribute, please do so.

Checks should be made out to “Michael Martinez Fund” and sent to Golden Gate Fields, 1100 Eastshore Highway, Berkeley, CA 94710.


Dan, when the curtain falls on Saratoga and we get into the Belmont meet for me it's time to start thinking about the breeders cup! Can you give me some stats on previous cups at Churchill in terms of prep races? Where have the winners run their preps?
Off Track

Let's go back to the Breeders' Cup events held at Churchill Downs (1988, 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2006)


2006:  Invasor (previous race - Whitney Handicap - Saratoga - 1 1/8 miles)
2000:  Tiznow (previous race - Goodwood Handicap - Oak Tree - 1 1/8 miles)
1998:  Awesome Again (previous race - Hawthorne Gold Cup - Hawthorne - 1 1/4 miles)
1994:  Concern (previous race - Super Derby - Louisiana Downs - 1 1/4 miles)
1991:  Black Tie Affair (previous race - Washington Park Handicap - Arlington - 1 1/8 miles)
1988:  Alysheba (previous race - Meadowlands Cup - Meadowlands - 1 1/4 miles)


2006:  Ouija Board (previous race - Irish Champion Stakes - Leopardstown - 1 1/4 miles turf)
2000:  Perfect Sting (previous race - Galaxy - Keeneland - 1 3/16 miles turf)


2006:  Street Sense (previous race - Breeders' Futurity - Keeneland - 1 1/16 miles polytrack)
2000:  Macho Uno (previous race - Grey Breeders' Cup - Woodbine - 1 1/16 miles)
1998:  Answer Lively (previous race - Breeders' Futurity - Keeneland - 1 1/16 miles)
1994:  Timber Country  (previous race - Moet Champagne - Belmont - 1 1/16 miles)
1991:  Arazi (previous race - CIGA Grand Criterium - Longchamp - 1 mile turf)
1988:  Is It True (previous race - Champagne Stakes - Belmont - 1 mile)


2006:  Dreaming of Anna (previous race - Summer Stakes - Woodbine - 1 mile turf)
2000:  Caressing (previous race - Arlington-Washington Lassie - Arlington - 1 mile)
1998:  Silverbulletday (previous race - Alcibiades - Keeneland - 1 1/16 miles)
1994:  Flanders (previous race - Frizette - Belmont - 1 1/16 miles)
1991:  Pleasant Stage (previous race - Oak Leaf - Oak Tree - 1 1/16 miles)
1988:  Open Mind (previous race - Frizette - Belmont - 1 mile)


2006:  Round Pond (previous race - Beldame - Belmont - 1 1/8 miles)
2000:  Spain (previous race - Spinster - Keeneland - 1 1/8 miles)
1998:  Escena (previous race - Personal Ensign - Saratoga - 1 1/4 miles)
1994:  One Dreamer (previous race - Rachel Jackson Stakes - Dueling Grounds - 1 mile turf)
1991:  Dance Smartly (previous race - Molson Million - Woodbine - 1 1/8 miles)
1988:  Personal Ensign (previous race - Beldame - Belmont - 1 1/4 miles)


2006:  Miesque's Approval (previous race - Shadwell Turf Mile - Keeneland - 1 mile turf)
2000:  War Chant (previous race - Oak Tree Breeders' Cup Mile - Oak Tree - 1 mile turf)
1998:  Da Hoss (previous race - Allowance - Colonial - 1 1/8 miles turf)
1994:  Barathea (previous race - Queen Elizabeth II Stakes - Ascot - 1 mile turf)
1991:  Opening Verse (previous race - Keeneland Breeders' Cup - Keeneland - 1 1/8 miles turf)
1988:  Miesque (previous race - Prix de Moulin de Longchamp - Longchamp - 1 mile turf)


2006:  Thor's Echo (previous race - Ancient Title Breeders' Cup - Oak Tree - 6 furlongs)
2000:  Kona Gold (previous race - Ancient Title Breeders' Cup - Oak Tree - 6 furlongs)
1998:  Reraise (previous race - Kentucky Cup Sprint - Turfway - 6 furlongs)
1994:  Cherokee Run (previous race - Vosburgh - Belmont - 7 furlongs)
1991:  Sheikh Albadou (previous race - Vosburgh - Belmont - 7 furlongs)
1988:  Gulch (previous race - Vosburgh - Belmont - 7 furlongs)


2006:  Red Rocks (previous race - St. Leger Stakes - York - 1 3/4 miles turf)
2000:  Kalanisi (previous race - Champion Stakes - Newmarket - 1 1/4 miles turf)
1998:  Buck's Boy (previous race - Turf Classic Invitational - Belmont - 1 1/2 miles turf)
1994:  Tikkanen (previous race - Turf Classic Invitational - Belmont - 1 1/2 miles turf)
1991:  Miss Alleged (previous race - Budweiser International - Laurel - 1 1/4 miles turf)
1988:  Great Communicator (previous race - Oak Tree Invitational - Oak Tree - 1 1/2 miles turf)


Would you please post the PP's for Zenyatta, Blame, Quality Road, Lookin at Lucky, and Twirling Candy?

The past performances you requested are at the bottom of this blog posting.


Hey Dan,
Not sure this went thru the first time..I'm looking for info on a TB Called "Quacker Jack".Chestnut gelding father "illinois Storm" Mother "Jouet"..I have him here.His last race was 1-9-2009 at golden gate?He ended up at my place couple months later on memorial day weekned 600lbs near starved to death..Just trying to find out if he was good at racing.How did he do? What injuries he had and how he ended up on my doorstep..Any info you had on this beautiful horse would help me out a lot..
Thank you and have a great day..

Quacker Jack was foaled on March 9, 2005 in California.  He was bred by The Hat Ranch and Mullens and raced for that partnership before selling to Gary Stute for $2,000 at the Barretts Horses of Racing Age sale in June, 2008. 
His third dam, Booklore (by Snow Chief), was a multiple stakes-winner (19-3-2-5, $159,733, also Grade 2-placed).  Booklore is a full sister to Arp, a juvenile stakes-winner (119-14-11-12, $342,573) and a half-sister to stakes-placed sprinter Zee Maestro (by Messenger of Song, record of 69-7-10-7, $107,812). 
The fourth dam, Fashion Book (by Flying Paster), was multiple stakes-placed and finished fourth in the Grade 1 La Canada Stakes at Santa Anita. 
Other notable names in Quacker Jack's female family are stakes-winner Chain Store (Rare Treat Handicap at Aqueduct), multiple Grade 2 winner Double Discount (Carleton F. Burke Handicap, Lakeside Handicap, San Carlos Handicap), multiple stakes-winner Summer Sale (Hollywood Turf Express Handicap, Rich Cream Handicap), multiple stakes-winner Commissary (Senorita Stakes, Del Mar Oaks, Vanity Handicap), Grade 3-placed Artaxerxes (second in San Gabriel Handicap), stakes-placed Lady Cutlass (third in Nursery Stakes), multiple Group 3 winner General Holme (in France), stakes-winner General Silver (also Grade 2-placed), and multiple stakes-winner General Arthur (Bougainvillea Turf Handicap, Donn Handicap, Green Valley Handicap)

I don't know of any specific injuries he may have suffered during his racing career, but his lifetime past performances are available at the bottom of this blog posting.


WAAAAAYYYYY OT, but what's up with the new speed figures on QH PP's? What type of speed figure are these and where did they come from? I'm not a huge QH player, but I like to play Los Al pick 4's on occasion and just noticed this new addition. Any more info on what these figures are?

I've talked to some of our data people about the quarter horse speed figures, and I've gotten some vague responses.  From what I can gather, the first number is a speed figure akin to an Equibase Speed Number that you would see in a track program.  The number to the right, I believe, is the speed index given out by the AQHA. 


Is there a site for Breeders' Cup 2010 that lists the probable entries? Or the horses most likely to enter the various events? I suppose it's a bit early for actual nominees, but perhaps there is a list of trainers that are thinking of certain races for some of their charges 

It is premature, but try this site for some early information:



Dan- do you know what ever became of
Awesome Act, Fresian Fire, Bulls and Bears, and Tapitsfly??
Stephanie Howard

Friesan Fire was beaten 62 1/2 lengths in the James Marvin Stakes at Saratoga on July 23.  He worked six furlongs in 1:12.40 breezing over Saratoga's Oklahoma Training Track on August 9, but hasn't been on the tab since. 

Bulls and Bears last worked on June 1 at Aqueduct.  He breezed a half-mile in 50.00.

Tapitsfly reportedly got sick and then underwent ankle surgery to remove a chip.  She last breezed four furlongs in 53.20 on turf, around the dogs, at Churchill Downs on June 17. 

All of the runners you mentioned have suffered through myriad problems during their careers.


I'm a newbie here, always liked to wager and watch the horses and hoping to get a lot better at handicapping!
may I see PPs for Awad and King Cugat-think I remember them waaaaay better than they were

Past performances for Awad and King Cugat are available on the bottom of this blog posting.


Here are some quick and dirty picks for this weekend's stakes races:

Garden City:  No Explaining, Queen of the Creek, Triple Cream
Natalma:  Roxy Gap, Sheba's Secret, More Than Real
Summer:  Silverleo, Forum, Pluck
Northern Dancer Turf - Redwood, Marsh Side, Windward Islands

No strong opinions on the Woodbine Mile from this corner.

More importantly, who do you like this weekend?  I want to know.

Have fun,




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Curt V. More than 1 year ago
Fisherman, You brought back some fond memories. I guess it was when I was about 5 or 6, my one grandparent gave me my 1st football team complete uniform. It was the Baby Blue w/bright yellow & white...helmet & all.....Sorry BSB.....It's the other LA team........if only they could play Football, like they've played Basketball........completest torinfer......Dennis Miller for gov...........LOL..
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Annie Speaking of Redwood Trees, which I wasn't but you did, we planted three of them in our backyard about fifteen years ago (small house, big yard). They are now at forty feet and growing like crazy. I'm suppose to trim them once in a while: well, that opportunity has come and gone. Nope. The good thing, other than their natural beauty (as Blackseabass said)-neighbors. What neighbors? Gone from any of my views. As far as the bet on Redwood-thought about it a lot, but in the end, didn't like the odds. My bad.
Turnbackthealarm More than 1 year ago
Annie, Most people at Hawthorne are already confused......... :)
Turnbackthealarm More than 1 year ago
Chicago Gerry, Did you watch the season premier of Dancing with the Stars last night???? :) That sounded like a Len Goodman choreography lesson! BSB, I was single until about 2 years ago........ The Van Gogh, You may not have a football team worthy of your flagship status, but how do you feel about your basketball team? I read ALL the 100 plus pages of the Judge's report...... KNM, You beat me to it......If Zenyatta was left alone without a jockey and preferably without a saddle, it is my guess that the first thing she would do is take a nice long roll, shake off the dirt and then amble over to the nearest patch of grass and start hoovering. The girl has to keep up her figure, you know?
blackstone More than 1 year ago
Fees For Gradeoneracing.com Gradeoneracing.com has announced their fee schedule, beginning in November. The prices will be either $68 or $80 per month, or $43 to $60 per month on a quarterly plan, or $7.50 per day on their daily plan. $80 PER MONTH! That's more than my mortgage (small house). Oh my word. Steve Davidowitz proudly proclaims that they have over 2,000 people signed up on their site since launching it in late July. Well, guess what? I hope their revenue forecast in their Business Plan is flexible. They will lose one hundred percent of the weekend warrfiors such as myself. Even for a regular daily player, how can one justify adding that level of overhead to the process. The answer is, I'm certain. you can't. The product they are selling is information, of course. And while they have some industry heavyweights on the site, where is the value added? At this point I would just as soon buy one of the daily rags (Jack's Blue Card, or Hermit's, or whatever) at the track or OTB-at least those things attempt to pick a winner. No, I haven't bought one of the rags in thirty years or so, and it will be at least that long before I buy the Gradeoneracing products, should I be so lucky to live that long. My opinion only, obviously, but the web site, as it is currently being marketed, is doomed to failure. Nice try, but no cigar, at least from this corner.
Mike A More than 1 year ago
Curt Understood and thanks, did the "re-read". October 2nd.......come up to Belmont, or down whichever fits. The Van Gogh...... .Perhaps you're right, I always thought it was the Belmont......I speak many times of a horse that does something so awe inspiring it drops your jaw. You just stand there, mouth open, unable to speak.......your drooping jaw slowly turns to a grin, a grin so big you couldn't utter a word even if you wanted to. That's what it was like watching the Belmont in 73. It's the reason I said Rachel, as good as she ran last year never dropped my jaw, I was never at a loss after watching her. Do I think you'll ever see the likes of Secretariat....or a horse who just leaves you speechless? Well I've been blessed in that respect......and was only a few years shy from my eyes being "touched by the hand of God himself" had I been born a wee bit sooner and witnessed the "Class of 57" also. But we're speaking of you......I'm a firm believer in the fact that many knowledgeable and rich men imported ( took advantage of the economic situations) after the two world wars, to buy, at bargain prices, some of the best stallions and broodmares Europe had to offer, Adding to the gene pool already established here, turned out some of the best thoroughbreds this country will likely ever see. While we had very good horses through the 40's, I'm more inclined to believe it wasn't until the 50's that our horses really showed their stuff. That trend staying through the 60's and culminating in the late 70's to very early 80's. The problem as I see it is Breeding became a business......the stables back in the day bred homebreds......to race, improving the breed was paramount......soundness was paramount, staying ability was paramount, but with just enough speed to keep from having a stable full of plodders. Today.....the breed isn't paramount....money is and when you do anything for money alone it's an unrewarding, often with disastrous results. So in your lifetime......perhaps, mine I doubt it. Come to Belmont Oct. 2nd.......It's only a few hour drive. Mike A
blackseabass More than 1 year ago
Knm , You are correct R.E. Lee's horse was named Traveller. Lee named him for the horse of an ancient General . Trojan/ Greek/Spartan/Roman ? I can't remember ? I have a 6 volume set of Civil War books that explains the origin of the name somewhere in there. SC's Traveler has one L. Lee's horse had a black mane and tail . SC's has a white mane and tail and he is Traveler VII. Annie , yes we can still be friends. The Van Gogh (TVG) You can root for the Trojans. We're underdogs now after being persecuted by the NCAA. Blackstone, Calif. State Fish - Golden Trout (should be Blackseabass right ? ) Jeffrey, You can bet Fairplex (pomona) on youbet and despite what others might say its a great place to play. Read Brad Free's Blog/ column on Jerry Antonucci and the fair. Good luck to all the players this week.
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
TBTA, Did not see DWTS but did see a video clip of Crystal Palin's routine on the web. I thought she did a very nice job. Would predict, if she lasts, she will lose a little baby fat weight, her body will elongate, and she will be a stunningly attractive young woman. Further, this does conjure up some interesting mental images of her mom doing the Zenyatta Dance though. I always kind of liked that free spirited, wild kind of look. I guess I'll have to think on that a bit. Kid you not, I read where the work jockey for Zenyatta said she is not the easiest mare to handle, and that the stallions they bring to Zenyatta after she retires, are going to have their there work cut out, because she is so big.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
blackseabass "SRVegas , I see your Bruins broke out of their funk yesterday . Good for them." Thanks for the shout out, and no worries about you being an SC Fan...as I have had a SC/Bruin rivalry in the family for 20+ years :) _____________________________________________________________ Chicago Gerry Zenyatta dance? LOL! ..your talents continue to amaze me :) captcha instance buroll ...sounds like a Zenyatta move to me. _______________________________________________________________ I am totally enjoying catching up with the posts, some great stuff from all.
blackstone More than 1 year ago
p ensign Thanks for the comments re the 9-5 Redwood. Generally, unless I'm stuck with actual low odds after making a bet hours before a race, I don't bet the favorites at all. But, after the race, sometimes I wish I had. I really didn't like the race, so should have skipped it, or bet the chalk. But I suckered up to Spice Route just for old times sake. Not smart at all. Anyway, lesson learned ( I hope).