09/22/2008 6:36PM

Breeders' Cup Thoughts, Beyers, Morvich It Is


Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's stakes races:

*Massachusetts (Suf):  Commentator (N. Zito/J. Velazquez) - 110

*Gallant Bloom (Bel):  Indian Blessing (B. Baffert/C. Nakatani) - 109
*Gold Cup (AsD):  Monsoon Rain (M. Drexler/C. Marquez) - 105
*James B. Moseley Sprint (Suf):  Real Estate (B. Levine/J. Velazquez) - 105
*Super Derby (LaD):  My Pal Charlie (A. Stall Jr./C. Bourque) - 103

*Point Given (Mth):  Delosvientos (G. Iadisernia/E. Castro) - 98
*Lake Erie (PID):  Andiamo (W. Downing/R. Allen Jr) - 97
*Drumtop (Suf):  Thunders Dove (N. Zito/J. Velazquez) - 97
*Overskate (WO):  Not Bourbon (R. Attfield/J. Jones) - 96
*Missile Belle (Bel):  Informed Decision (J. Sheppard/C. Nakatani)  - 95
*New Mexico State Fair (Alb):  Nosir (J. Guerra/V. Guerra) - 95
*Deputed Testamony (Lrl):  Wonder Mon (G. Capuano/T. Dunkelberger) - 95
*Ralph M. Hinds Invitational (Fpx):  Booyah (J. Fanning/J. Talamo) - 94
*Walking in Da Sun (Del):  Libor Lady (M. Pino/L. Garcia) - 94
*Fitz Dixon Cotillion (Pha):  Seattle Smooth (A. Dutrow/J. Lezcano) - 94
*Miss America (GG):  Wild Promises (G. Gilchrist/D. Lopez) - 94
*Robert R. Hilton Memorial (CT):  Confucius Say (G. Yetsook/R. Soodeen) - 93
*Prairie Meadows Derby (PrM):  Shadowbdancing (T. Gore/R. Meier) - 93
*Unbridled (LaD):  Steve's Double (R. Werner/R. Albarado) - 93
*Eleven North (Mth):  Way With Words (M. Eppler/E. Castro) - 93
*Pomona Derby (Fpx):  Bingham (J. Mullins/A. Quinonez) - 92
*Deputy Bar and Grill Express (Hst):  B R Remark (B. Giesbrecht/K. Nicholls) - 92
*The Vid (Crc):  Cenzontle (K. Ziadie/A. Smith) - 91
*John Henry (AP):  Dynaman (D. Miller/C. Silva) - 91
*Plagiarize (Crc):  It's a Bird (M.  Wolfson/J. Bridgmohan) - 90
*Jack Betta Be Rite (Bel):  Meriwether Jessica (L. Rice/J. Velazquez) - 90 (*Lost Without You finished first, but was disqualified to second)
*Governor's Cup (Fpx):  Northern Soldier (B. Koriner/A. Gryder) - 90

*Franklin-Simpson (KD):  Demarcation (P. McGee/H. Theriot II) - 89
*Robert O'Malley Memorial (Suf):  Hold On Smokey (D. Kielty/J. Lopez) - 88
*River Cities (LaD):  Tortuga Flats (R. Irwin/K. LeBlanc) - 88
*Sir Winston Churchill (Hst):  Fuhrever Dancing (T. Jordan/F. Perez) - 87
*Millard Harrell Memorial (CT):  Ghostly Thunder (G. Capuano/T. Dunkelberger) - 87
*Lake Michigan (AP):  Stormy Ballad (A. Granitz/J. Alvarado) - 87
*Nancy A. Vanier Illinois Owners (AP):  You Dancing Devil (N. Pessin/J. Graham) - 87
*Lincroft (Mth):  Hey Chub (K. DeMasi/C. Marquez Jr.) - 86
*Las Madrinas (Fpx):  Lemon Chiffon (S. McCarthy/D. Flores) - 86
*Farer Belle Lee (Pnl):  Valley Loot (R. Allen/F. Mata) - 86
*Prairie Meadows Oaks (PrM):  Euphony (D. Von Hemel/Q. Hamilton) - 85
*Tiznow (LaD):  Jonesboro (R. Morse/R. Albarado) - 85
*Weekend Delight (TP):  Vote Early (S. Margolis/J. Thorwarth) - 85
*British Columbia Derby (Hst):  Krazy Koffee (C. Krasner/D. Wilson) - 84
*Statuette (Bel):  Miss Challenge (G. Weaver/E. Prado) - 84
*Frontier (Pnl):  Rockem Sockem (S. Sowle/M. Doser) - 84
*Roger Van Hoozer Memorial (CT):  Julie B (G. Yetsook/A. Bocachica) - 83
*Chick Lang Jr. Memorial (Ret):  Lee's Spirit (R. Schultz/B. Walker Jr.) - 83
*Delta Colleen (Hst):  Against the Sky (C. MacPherson/F. Fuentes) - 82
*Bangles and Beads (Fpx):  Steelin' (R. DeLeon/M. Garcia) - 82
*Gateway to Glory (Fpx):  Charlie's Moment (W. Solis/J. Rosario) - 80
*Jersey Girl (Mth):  Paradise Tonight (J. Pierce Jr./E. Castro) - 80
*Matron (AsD):  Tanika (B. Brown/S. Heiler) - 80
*Dusty Screen (PID):  Terriffico (H. Miller Jr./W. Martinez) - 80

*Sunday Silence (LaD):  City Style (C. Asmussen/T. McNeil) - 79
*Flaming Page (WO):  Lickety Lemon (M. Casse/C. Sutherland) - 79
*Happy Ticket (LaD):  Abbott Hall (H. Wiggins/R. Albarado) - 78
*Bertram F. Bongard (Bel):  Trinity Magic (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) - 77
*CTBA Marian (Fpx):  Gambler's Justice (B. Spawr/M. Pedroza) - 75
*Derby Consolation (Hst):  Kwik (T. Cloutier/D. Wilson) - 75
*British Columbia Oaks (Hst):  Blue Sky Holiday (J. Snow/C. Hoverson) - 74
*Joseph A. Gimma (Bel):  Sneakin Up (J. Pierce Jr./C. Marquez Jr.) - 74

*Black Swan (Fpx):  Dash Dot Dash (V. Cerin/M. Pedroza) - 67
*George Maloof Futurity (Alb):  Brown Boy (J. Gonzalez Jr./A. Cruz) - 65
*New Mexico State Fair Thoroughbred Derby (Alb):  Move Moves (J. Claridge/D. Sterling) - 65

*Dessie and Fern Sawyer Futurity (Alb):  Winter Mist (M. Guinn/B. Theriot) - 59

*Sickle's Image (Pnl):  Ittybittymeadow (R. Gorham/R. Barrios) - 48
*Winnipeg Futurity (AsD):  Prayforthesoldiers (A. Sayler/D. Lopez) - 48

*Here are the lifetime past performances for the highest and lowest Beyer stakes performers of the past week:

Download Commentetc..pdf


Our HandiGambling 103 race will be Wednesday's Grade 3 Morvich Handicap at Oak Tree.  Here are the past performances for anyone that would like to participate:

Download Morvich.pdf


Be back tomorrow to answer a ton of questions and comments.  Wednesday, we'll talk about the HandiGambling excercise as well as a Past Champion retrospective.

Take it easy,



While I have no problem with healthy debate, the whole Tinky-Rick thing has gotten a bit out of control.  Let's move on now.  Please.  I appreciate it.

geowarrior More than 1 year ago
I haven't posted here before so you will all likely think I am a total idiot. I looked at Commentator's pp's and they certainly are impressive, however I don't see an obvious indication that he can get the mile and a quarter of the B.C. Classic. But what makes me idiotic is please could somebody tell me what those two numbers are that come after the odds and are separated by a hyphen? Pretty please? Also I have a little beef but I don't think anyone in the whole of America agrees with me. I have a retired racehorse - he was raced too hard too young, but I got him off the track before serious damage was done, and he now looks very sturdy and has regained much of his lost confidence. He broke maiden first time out at 2 by 10 lengths at LAD in a mcl 25k. Now this isn't tip top class by any means, and injuries, overracing, layoffs etc. contributed to his poor performances subsequently, so I have no idea whether he's a good racehorse or not and I can't afford to race him on my own. A trainer offered to take 70% of him but I declined as I believe I owe it to the rescue people who helped me track him to maintain control and make sure he is as safe as he can possibly be. I love him, and I love to watch him run, he's beautiful, and I love racing more than I can say. So the irony is that I have my very own sound beautiful racehorse that I can't race. In America it seems that (I'm from Britain originally) even if I could get a partnership together I would always run the risk of losing him in a claim. Much as I love him I don't see him as allowance caliber unless he really has become much stronger, but he would qualify for starter allowances which we know are very competitive as they are few and far between, so it would seem that claiming would be his only option. My conclusion is that in America you cannot race a horse if you love him, and you cannot love a horse that you race because he is always for sale. In the Britain I remember the partnerships (and we're not talking IEAH here) were often of people who considered the training costs (shared) as the cost of entertainment and they were allowed to enjoy their days at the races and love their horses even as their careers declined. And in addition, it was often the case that their old friend found a new career in steeplechasing or hurdling, with steeplechasers often not reaching their prime till 10 or 11. I understand the allure of claiming and this is not an argument against it, but would the whole system fall apart if there were non-claiming races below allowance level for horse lovers as opposed to money makers? If they can do it in Britain, where they have quite a complex class system of conditions (including selling races), why couldn't they do it here in America the mighty? And might it not be good for the industry to bring in a new type of owner? That type of owner might only have one or two horses, but they were proud of them and would bring numerous friends to the races, ultimately expanding the fan base. Technology isn't the only approach to revitalising horse racing. Meanwhile my beautiful horse is a pasture pet in a barbed wire field with a bunch of washed up quarter horses and a miniature pony as I can't afford to move him or have him trained for a new discipline and I don't ride well enough to train him myself. Someone earlier in this blog alluded to a brand new condition. Might we turn our attention to race conditions to see if there could be new ideas there that would benefit horse racing as a whole?
Annie More than 1 year ago
geowarrier, Welcome to Formblog! Go to the 9/24 post for my response to your post. Annie
todd More than 1 year ago
my revised Handigambling pick: 10 cent super: 4,5,6,8/1,4,5,6,8,10/1,4,5,6,8,10,12/1,2,4,5,6,8,10,12 $50 win on #5 thanks todd
slewofdamascus More than 1 year ago
I meant to add that Tropical Storm is my 2nd choice, I think he's the one the closers will have to catch in deep stretch as he can sit just off of it and control his own destiny. He's handy, and Gryder knows him. The value could be here, as many will see the failure at Longacres as a litmus test since he was bought for that purpose, but wasn't that kind of stab to begin with? And he didn't run too bad considering they made the track a closer's paradise to help Wasserman. Can't be too harsh. His race to lose late?
chicago gerry More than 1 year ago
ktalbany, I am not the one to ask, because I type with two fingers (think of someone giving you the 'bird' with both hands) and I am sure someone who knows what they are doing will give you some good advice. When you finish the last sentence of a paragraph hit 'Enter' and your curser will drop down as many spaces for the number of times you hit it. Line it up by using a short entry, hit 'Enter' and post your next entry. I really don't see anything wrong with what you are doing. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the neatness thing, unless it's something that really bugs the heck out of you. Most of the Formbloggers here, seem to be pretty tolerant. At least I think they are. I am in agreement with one Formblogger who suggested spacing from paragraph to paragraph. It just makes it easier to read that's all; especially when the post is lengthy and contains several ideas. nancyb, I enjoyed reading your post. Perhaps the 'silver lining' of being 'between jobs' is that you will be able to get out to the track and experience first hand the envionment and the things that interest you there. I would personally like hearing about what you find out about the Euro's. If you are concerned about being 'between jobs', I wish you well in finding something. As far as Hewitt is concerned, I wasn't really suprised that he lost, per se, but as you said, he lost so badly. To be honest I can't fully remember now(Alzheimer's), exactly what I liked about him. As you mentioned, I think I was attracted to his apparent raw talent, good works, and past performance. That, and I have been burned by this type before under-estimating what can be accomplished by a good trainer with a runner of this type coming off a layoff. Dan, Please note I had the privilege of meeting up with a fellow Formblogger, PGM, the final day of the Arlington meet. As I am sure you have experienced many times, it is really great to meet someone from the Formblog community 'live and in person'. The talent that is on this board, excluding myself of course, is really something. Also, I inadvertently left $2.00 out of the Handigambling, so I guess I'll trickle down to the concession and get a Corn Dog with it. Thanks,
Rando6 More than 1 year ago
Alan, Give me Get Funky for the contest please.
tony kelso More than 1 year ago
ktalbany: I am not quite sure what you are asking, I would recommend you use the PREVIEW button before you post anything to the blog. I do that to make sure everything "looks acceptable" and my grammar is OK. I haven't seen the Morvich PPs but I would lean to some sort of "hedged exacta play" with Get Funky and One Union. Obviously Get Funky is the one to beat in here but One Union may surprise.
Ivan More than 1 year ago
Travers, Too bad you will not be there for the Breeders Cup. Guess I will have to enjoy the two days of racing without you. Eight graded stakes and fourteen Breeders Cup races, other Graded Stakes that Oak Tree has to offer, seeing Big Brown, maybe Curlin, Zenyatta, Indian Blessing, all the Euros. All of that without you fellow blogger. Let me remind you of the Stakes Program for those two days: Oct 24 ESPN2 3:35 PM Sentient Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint Filly & Mare Sprint $1,000,000 7 Furlongs Oct 24 ESPN2 4:15 PM Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf Juvenile Fillies Turf $1,000,000 1 mile (T) Oct 24 ESPN2 4:55 PM Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies I Juvenile Fillies $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles Oct 24 ESPN2 5:35 PM Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf I Filly & Mare Turf $2,000,000 1 1/4 Miles (T) Oct 24 ESPN2 6:15 PM Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic I Ladies' Classic $2,000,000 1 1/8 Miles Oct 25 ABC 1:10 PM Breeders' Cup Marathon Marathon $500,000 1 1/2 Miles Oct 25 ABC 1:50 PM Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint Turf Sprint $1,000,000 6.5 Furlongs (T) Oct 25 ESPN 2:30 PM Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile Dirt Mile $1,000,000 1 Mile Oct 25 ABC 3:15 PM Breeders' Cup Mile I Mile $2,000,000 1 Mile (T) Oct 25 ABC 3:55 PM Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile I Juvenile $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles Oct 25 ESPN 4:35 PM Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf Juvenile Turf $1,000,000 1 Mile (T) Oct 25 ESPN 5:15 PM Sentient Breeders' Cup Sprint I Sprint $2,000,000 6 Furlongs Oct 25 ESPN 6:00 PM Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf I Turf $3,000,000 1 1/2 Miles (T) Oct 25 ESPN 6:45 PM Breeders' Cup Classic I Classic $5,000,000 1 1/4 Miles Life is tough man.
ElAngelo More than 1 year ago
If Curlin runs on synthetic and flops, it may cost him HOTY, but I can't see it "tarnishing his legacy". Skip Away had a shot to overtake Cigar for the all-time money earner, and ended his career losing to 30-1 shot Wagon Limit in the JCGC and running horribly in the BC Classic at Churchill. He's still in the Hall and fondly remembered, despite that end of his career (not to mention failing to win a Triple Crown race and only winning the BC Classic over one of the worst fields ever assembled for the race).
tony kelso More than 1 year ago
LarryK! Thanks for the "heads up" on My Baby Baby at Kentucky Downs on Monday the 22nd! I hit the late pick 3 for $150 using a 3x3x3 format ($27), also had a small $4 win on My Baby Baby, who didn't get us 15/1 but instead 9/5 (not your fault, of course). GREAT CALL!! If #11 Presents For Berti (Race 9) gets a clear run in the stretch instead of netting $120 I could have netted around $310 (figuring a $3 win at 6/1 and I estimate the pick 3 pays $320 vs. $150).