09/25/2008 1:46PM

Bicoastal Carryovers

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2:45 pm: Outsmarted myself in Leg 1 of the Belmont double-carry. Some people will look at the result, a victory by Shadwell firster Habaya, and wonder how a Storm Cat-Golden Apples filly could possibly pay $20.20 in her debut on the turf and wonder what sort of idiot used her only as a backup.

Well, here's where this sort of idiot went wrong. Habaya was one of four very well-bred firsters in the race and wasn't even the only one out of an Eclipse-winning turf mare -- Christophe Clement had a Storm Cat-Wandesta firster -- and she was dead on the board opening at 14-1 in the win pool and no better than 6th choice in the multirace will-pays. Also, trainer Kieran McLaughlin, though proficient with firsters, was 0-for-20 with firsters on the grass in New York over the last five years. Finally, regular stable rider Alan Garcia wasn't on her, instead taking the mount on the Clement firster who was half the price.

I had planned to use Habaya as a B, and downgraded her to a C based on the tote action. Bad move. Habaya was best and comfortable beat one of my A's to leave me with a rotten 2x1x4x1x2 the rest of the way on a difficult card where a lot more coverage than that seems in order. The lone live ticket now goes 1,2/7/1,5,6,8/4/4,8.

They're speeding up the card by about three minutes per race to try to beat the expected late-afternoon storms. Post time for the 9th, originally scheduled for 5:17 p.m., is now at 4:53.


4:30 pm: I'm almost glad that Benlayla, who I couldn't have used with $10k in Confederate money, won leg 4 because while I didn't put the first three winners on the same ticket they were all plausible and I might have hooked them up together with just a slightly different approach.

Just about 40 minutes until the pick-6 fun begins at Oak Tree with their 3rd race. I won't be participating -- put all my time and eggs into the Belmont basket -- and I know Californians don't get too excited about a lousy little one-day $100k carry, but I'll keep an eye on it in case it carries again.

Anyone still alive is now in position for a monstrous score, and I congratulate anyone who's gotten this far. A triple-carryover isn't impossible if Boca Grande loses at 6-5 in leg 5 momentarily -- it's hard to imagine that anyone could have singled any of the first four winners, and Boca Grande looked like the most likely winner in the sequence on paper. They're going into the gate....

Nope, Boca Grande won pretty easily. The pick-6 will-pays are posted in the chart above. Looks like there are 3 tickets at $158,590 alive to the favored #11; 1 ticket at $475.770 alive to the 3,4,6,7,8, 10 and 12 (one person?); and four others (the 1,2,5 and 9) who would produce a $475k triple-carry. Guess which four I'm rooting for?


5:00 pm: Congrats to the three $158,590 winners as Musca just held off Powerchord. The winner was not the post-time favorite -- a flood of late punches knocked Iwinski firster Royal Tapit from 4-1 to 5-2 in the last two flashes -- but was the only one of the 12 with multiple live tickets. The outcome must have been a bummer to whoever was alive to 8 of them, since the other seven would have produced three times as big a payoff -- but what a finish for the two people who appear to have singled the last-race winner. Firster Right of Way, who would have produced a triple carry, might have been best: He broke behind the field, was about 10 wide turning for home, and was a fast-closing third.

Two minutes to leg 1 at Oak Tree. Holy Thunder's even-money with Dogmatic 5-2 and the six others 7-1 and up.

I'll do some late 'capping and fool around with the laye p4 at OSA and hope for a longer ride than yesterday's, where I was immediately eliminated in leg 1, running 2-3 behind the difficult 1-for-14 Man to Man. I went ACA the rest of the way, using $47.40 California Flag as a possible loose-speed backup, a tantalizing outcome since the thing paid $14k for $1.

People still seem confused by how these pick-6 pools are carved up -- I just heard some commentators speculating about whether there were 4 or 5 winning tickets at Belmont since the "pool" was supposedly $700,000 or so. Here's how it works:

The amount wagered today was $522,160. Of that, 26 percent ($135,761) is extracted as takeout, leaving $386,398. Of that, 25 percent ($96,599) is recerved for consolations. That leaves $289,799. Add that to the carryover of $185k and you get the $475,770 that was paid out to three winners at $158,590 apiece.


6:30 pm: Vienna firster Feisty Suances made the OSA pick-x's interesting by scoring at $21.60. The three race parlay of $240.67 is less than half the $516-for-$2 pick-3 payoff, so maybe he was an even longer price in the multirace bets.

Here's the Riddle of the Day, one to which I do not know the answer: Of the 11 Grade 1 races at Belmont and Oak Tree Saturday, only six are "Win and You're In" races for Breeders' Cup purposes: 5 of the 6 at Oak Tree are WAYI's (all but the Clement Hirsch) but only 1 of the 5 at Belmont (the Jockey Club Gold Cup) is. Can anyone explain how the Lady's Secret, Yellow Ribbon and Ancient Title are WAYI's but the parallel Beldame, Flower Bowl and Vosburgh are not?

It's probably academic, since Grade 1 winners don't usually have a problem getting into BC races, but this sort of discrepancy makes the entire WAYI system look like a joke.

jd More than 1 year ago
Synthetic surfaces are going to be the death of horse racing. As someone who wagers nearly $ 50K per month, Brad Free's article about Santa Anita's new surface is exactly the problem. You can't bet large amounts of money when you're guessing what the surface is like from one minute to the next. Would it be good for horse racing if Zenyatta hates the track today and finishes out of the money? The synthetic tracks are great for people who enjoy playing dime superfectas and don't know how to handicap. Grandma can luck into a ticket playing her house number. For serious gamblers, guessing is not an option. It's bad enough we have to guess about synthetic surfaces. What makes it worse is the facts there are numerous brands of synthetic surfaces. Form on one does not transfer to another. What about breeders who own great sires? Perhaps the offspring of today's leading sires won't like synthetic surfaces. Is that good for racing? The Breeders Cup is approaching. I'll be watching with great interest and will bet a few dime supers. The majority of my money that day will be bet on ANY track with a dirt surace. I'm all for the humane treatment of animals. In the end, when horse racing is all but gone, I hope PETA has the funds to care for thousands of unwanted animals.
john More than 1 year ago
i am a casual horseplayer, and my perspective on this dying industry is that these reward programs need to emphesis win place and show betting. Two things keep people coming back to gambling, money and the thrill of victory. Alll these exotic bets that r popping up such as the quintafecta and pick 6 r great for the big player, problem is the small player gets buried trying to play these. horse racing is all about turning over money, wps is the best way to do that, it also gives people a good feeling like they have a chance to win. horseracing needs a bigger percentage of people who win, these exotic bets have very few winners, therefor less monet gets turned over. I think double rewards or other promotions to encoure patrons to go back to this form of racing is much needed.
bochalls More than 1 year ago
The Green Monkey stands for a mere 5K....thats 3200 mares to cover in order to pay for the 16million dollars paid for him (plus tax??). Oops...
Hammer More than 1 year ago
Did the Vosburgh used to be 7 furlongs?
Marty More than 1 year ago
Steve (and commenters), Can anyone explain the Pick 6 will pays at OSA according to TVG today (Fri 9/26). The 5 won the race and 6 of 6 returned $244,139. That appears to be 4 winning tickets as most of the other will pays come out to the same $976K at 1,2 or 3 winning tickets.....BUT the will pays for the 10 and 11 were listed as $343,426.80 and $1,157,649.00 respectively, and I can't see how that math works. Thanks.
kevin morris More than 1 year ago
The WAYI races seem to be arbitrary and unfair. If there is some system at work, it would be nice to see it defined. The newest WAYI-in Europe for the Kentucky Derby-is idiotic. If a Euro owner/trainer wants their horse in The Derby, they should at least have to win a major race, not some glorified allowance. And since when did Churchill start subsidizing would-be entrants to their race? How about adding 100K to a race at Presque Isle Downs?
Patrick More than 1 year ago
There is no sense to W&YI, it would be much better off to move to standings as laid out in the NTRA marketing plan supported by fans. The TCT tried to cherry pick 10 races - like horses are machines that just show up, the ACRS tried to take over the entire track every weekend - the BC is great, but I'm sure many tracks are thankful it's just 1 weekend. Standings aren't control, it's only context, something this sport needs. (pdf warning: http://www.ntra.com/creativeservices/content/NTRAOnlineTaskForce_080922.pdf)
ghost of kingpost More than 1 year ago
WAYI. Well, You're In Anyway.
b man upstate More than 1 year ago
Steve How unusual was it that of 5 live Pick 6 tickets at Santa Anita, none was on the morning line favorite?
callmetony More than 1 year ago
Steve I too noticed the storm cat /Golden Apples and wondered why no Garcia . Then I said well you know the old timers say they play games !!!! So I use her and get knocked out by Clements who was much the best with a 44 half . very hard to make any sense of this Belmont meet so far . I have a feeling SA isn;t going to be any easier . Good Luck