11/13/2009 12:46AM

BC: Dirt to Synth


Horses who made their last start on the dirt were 0 for 21 at the Breeders' Cup this year, making the tally 0 for 43 in the two straight Cups on the synthetic track at Oak Tree, with 34 of the 43 inishing worse than third.. Here are the 43 starters, along with their last-race Beyer Speed Figure on dirt before the Cup and their BSF on Cup Day. Thirty of the 43 starters ran a slower figure switching from dirt to synth, 20 of them by 10 points or more:


rawlawltd More than 1 year ago
Is anyone else getting that queasy "Allemuese" type feeling because the P4 payoffs for 6-9 on 11/19 haven't been posted anywhere by NYRA?? I have 20 1/2 of them, so I'd like to know. I really can't tell from what has ben posted on my NYRAONE account, because they REFUSE to give a history of winning bets on line. What's going on here???? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!
Robert Slifer More than 1 year ago
Walt, I know the cost of living is higher in CA but that would makes owners and trainers even more inclined to run there horses in order to bring more money in. I know the purses for example at Philly are higher in most cases then in California but that doesn't change the fact that if I have a solid 25-30k claimer and he runs every 3 weeks that in a field of 7 he had a much better chance then running against 10 at Philly plus with winter coming who wants to deal with that even if the purse is $5,000.00 more? Even when purses were better in CA they were still plagued by short fields its just gotten much worse in the last 2 years and I think its injury related more then finacial. Bob in PA
SherpaGuide More than 1 year ago
What the heck happened at Aqueduct today?? I thought if the surface switch happened before the close of betting of the first leg you received the favorite? I look at the results and both turf races were called 'all'?? On TV it didn't even look like it was raining...when did they announce 'off the turf'? before or after the start of the pick4? I'm so confused with the scratches I don't even know how many winning tickets I have, but at $18 a piece I'll be living the High Life !
Arcstats More than 1 year ago
Has anyone been following the actions of Churchhill Downs Inc. lately? They just announced a project to install permanent lights at the track, and in doing so will charge a $10 general admission for all evening cards. What do they think -that they have just invented night racing? Imagine if all evening tracks charged $10 admission - night racing would have gone extinct decades ago. Hard to believe the citizens of Louisville are that crazed for night racing that they would put up with that gouge. On November 11, CDI announced an agreement to acquire Youbet. The terms of the agreement are such that multiple class action suits on behalf of the Youbet stock holders have been initiated. The announcement was made just prior to Youbet reporting their 3Q results. This prevented the market from reacting to the report, and to protect the terms of the agreement. The combination of this strategy and the agreement itself are the foundation for the shareholder legal actions. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have been a Youbet shareholder for years. Like the HOY debate, I'm not sure where I fall on this issue either. I don't know where all these moves being made by CDI are heading, but experience tells me the bettors will not benefit from any of this. For those who regularly attend Churchill Downs, you're already behind before you get inside.
thehoarsehorseplayer More than 1 year ago
Historically, greatness was determined on the track by horses who were conceding rather than receiving weight. But perhaps, with the acceptance of drugs, the spread of synthetics, and the elimination of the traditional test of champions--carrying vigorous imposts to defiant victories in Grade One Handicaps--Racing has already Francis Fukuyama-ized itself and reached its own End Of History. You know, as balmy Novembers in New York might be telling us something is amiss with the eco system, fillies and mares dominating Racing might be telling us something is amiss with Racing's eco(nomic) system. Which is not to say that balmy November days are not enjoyable. Rachael and Zanyatta have been sensationally enjoyable. Still, fillies and mares are not supposed to dominate Racing. Or why do they get weight allowances? Which brings me to my Horse of the Year determination. (Though here I must admit I'm one of those grizzled veterans who cares more about who wins the third at Aqueduct tomorrow than who wins HOY) I don't think Rachael wins either the Preakness or the Woodward under equal weights. I do think Zanyatta runs down Gio Ponti under 126, maybe much more. After all, she was "moving like a freight train" And freight trains traditionally can carry a lot of weight. Zanyatta: Thehoarsehorseplayer's horse of the year.
AVERYNICEHORSE More than 1 year ago
someone said don't fear dirt players next few BCs will be on dirt- ok i know 2010 is @ churchill YAY but what about 2011 is it assumed it will be @ Belmont? or has someone heard something i havent been able to find on the web i need to make my 2011 travel arrangements asap! RIP Mr. Frankel Peace, Love and Horseshoes- AVERYNICEHORSE
Walt P. More than 1 year ago
Bob: The problems with California have nothing to do with the synthetic surfaces. The cost of living in California is far higher than in many other jurisdictions, and the purses are actually LOWER in So. Cal than they are right now at Philadelphia Park for instance! We had a considerable number of So. Cal-to-Philly Park shippers over the past year-plus, mainly because of the purses at Philly being what they are, and those horses seemed to handle the switch just fine, with synthetic horses not dropping off much when they raced at Philly. This is likely to continue, especially with California's economy continuing to deteriorate as it has.
Walt P. More than 1 year ago
Patty: I would not be so sure it will be Derby and BC Day(s). While Churchill has not said anything publically about the Derby or BC being at night, this much I do believe will happen: If higher-ups at NBC want the Derby and/or Oaks to be at night in 2010, it WILL happen no matter what Churchill, Louisville or others may want. The 10.2 rating for the race portion of the telecast this year (highest since 1992) in an era where TV ratings have fallen off a cliff pretty much assure it, especially since the Derby is one of the few events that can garner a big rating on a Saturday night during the "May Sweeps." That's why I think next year's Derby, assuming NBC wants it at night will be the first under the lights, most likely with a 9:25 PM ET post (and if the Oaks is also at night, it likely would air on NBC as part of that night's Jay Leno Show or at 10:30 PM ET/7:30 PM PT as a standalone half-hour following an earlier-than-usual Leno show in most of the country). As for the BC, I suspect the Asia-Pacific region not being able to be ignored any longer will force that to the nighttime as well.
dogs up More than 1 year ago
The Man, Bobby Frankel, saddled the winner yesterday in the Turf feature at Heaven Downs. A class act who gave his all to the game. His compassion towards people and racing animals was always displayed in his unassuming ways and down to earth manner.
ponyman More than 1 year ago
Bobby Frankel---CHAMPION