06/17/2008 7:07PM

Ascot recap, picks, 'cappers, hangers, etc.


Handicappers of the Week:

*johnnyz gave out the Proud Jefe - Fitzaslew exacta box ($82.20) at Churchill on Saturday as well as Hardasun in the Queen Anne.
*Grey Tan or White liked Hedge Fund ($27.40) at Belmont on Sunday.
*larryk gave out Bartok's Bling ($24.80) at Hollywood on Sunday.
*chicago gerry gave out Grace Happens
*Hope Mudhound Mojo had the $97.20 triple in the Foster as he mentioned both Einstein and Barcola as possible plays "underneath" Curlin.
*Arazi gave out Decorated Court at Belmont on Friday afternoon.
*Mike picked Tizdejavu at Churchill on Saturday.
*Steve V. liked Cedar Mountain in the Round Table Handicap.


*Congrats to Steve V. and crew for Bros Sis' win at Monmouth on Saturday.  Not only did she win the lion's share of the $19,000 purse, but the filly was claimed by Eddie Broome.


I don't know if I'm posting this question in the right spot, but...WHERE IS SLEW'S TIZNOW?

Slew's Tiznow hasn't raced since finishing second in the Breeders' Futurity at Keeneland on October 6.  He's suffered from various ailments including a fever, a low red blood cell count, and colic surgery.  Now with trainer Greg Fox, Slew's Tiznow registered a three furlong workout on Saturday at Nelson Jones Farm.


Marina Market ran a nice second after setting REALLY fast fractions. 22, 45.  What beyer did the winner Three In The Bag receive?

Three in the Bag received a 98 Beyer.  Marina Market earned an 82 behind the runaway winner.


hey dan, anyway possible you could post the pp's of 2 old harbor view farm champions the immortal RAISE A NATIVE and the gritty ROMAN BROTHER thanks again dan

Sorry.  I tried to download the past performances, but I guess our system won't cooperate for horses from that timeframe.


Dan what is the status of La Traviata who ran out of the Biancone barn last year ?

La Traviata returned to the racetrack under the tutelage of Todd Pletcher, and worked three times before being shut down once again.  Her last work was January 14 at Hollywood, and she was pointing for the Sunshine Millions before the layoff.  I haven't heard anything about her recently.


Mr. Illman, Enjoy the blog and have since its inception.  Someone pointed this out and I am wondering if you know about this (under the possibility that I have just not been paying attention).  The comments (Sweep Graded Comments) on the selection pages in the Form have disappeared, at least for Hollywood Park.  Are they coming back, or are they gone for good?  And if gone, why?

I've noticed it too, and I believe that this is going to be a long-term change for all tracks.  The Sweep Graded Comments included the DRF Handicapper's morning line, and I believe that the tracks themselves will now provide the official line (when listed under ML) when available.  I'm not sure why the change was made as it was a fairly popular feature, but I'll try to find out more.


Looking at Curlin's PPs, I see only one race at 115+. Are his Beyers too light to belong in the superstar category?


It's an interesting question, but I don't think Beyer Speed Figures should be the determining factor in a horse's place in history.  Seabiscuit lost 66 times in his career.  Some would say that number alone makes him less of a superstar.  Seabiscuit was great not only for his immense talent, and tremendous accomplishments on the track, but the passion he stirred up among racing fans.   In this day and age, we think about Curlin with a smile on our faces.  We want him to do well.  He's as close to a fan favorite as we have in our sport.  Perhaps that adds to his mystique.  Add in all of the variables (lightly-raced yet ran so gallantly in the Triple Crown races, beat older in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and Breeders' Cup, travelled halfway across the globe to win twice in Dubai), and it's fair to call him a superstar.


Oh, and Dan, Atoned did hang. Why do some horses just refuse to go by? Is that the herd mentality of a horse?
Jim Tully

You probably hit the nail on the head concerning herd mentality, but some horses just lack the conviction to win tight photos.  That class, heart, or whatever you want to call it is what separates the very good horses from the ordinary.  Cosmonaut is another example of a good horse, but he has a tendency to stop if on the lead, and hang when chasing.  I wonder if this is a bad habit that a horse can lose as he matures.  I always thought Aldebaran was a hanger, and then BANG!  He put it all together to be champion sprinter as a five-year-old.  As for Atoned, he has the ability...I just want to see him put somebody away when looked in the eye.


What are the stats on Deputy Minister as a broodmare sire. Seems like mare's from him would be held in high regard considering the success of Better Than Honor and Sheriffs Deputy.

This year, Deputy Minister is the broodmare sire of 11 stakes winners including Curlin.  According to DRF Stats, his lifetime record as a broodmare sire looks like this:

1372 runners, 961 winners
20,921 starts, 3160 wins, 2773 seconds, 2617 thirds, 15% win percentage.

He's been the leading Broodmare Sire by money in 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, and he currently leads the standings this year.


Talk to you Thursday.

SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Justin Thank you! I'll be adding her, ZZ Warrior, to my Horse watch! SR Vegas
Ray Manley More than 1 year ago
LarryK, I kind of thought the same thing about the baseball players strike. But in the baseball strike multi millionaires (the players) were up against multi billionaires (the owners). With racing many owners and trainers of the players (the ponies) are doing everything they can to just get by. And if there is a strike this would be an enormous hardship on the owners and the trainers because the players (our horse friends) need to be fed, groomed and trained. The tracks have a lot of cards to play and the horsemen have a limited few. However, they both will go down the drain if the real players (you and me) decide to give up the betting game. It is extremely frustrating. Steve T., I nominate you to head up the new Players Rights Orgainization. Perhaps Alan can be your vice chairman.
johnnyz More than 1 year ago
Annie, Just wanted to say hi. I appreciate all your input, which sometimes includes some humor! Royal Ascot Picks for Thursday: Norfolf S. #8 Proflic, #3 Elegant Cad, #11 South Central Ribblesdale S. #3 Changing Skies, #1 Arthur's Girl, #4 Da RE Mi The Gold Cup, Yeats is the class here, but lets try and upset with #11 Allegretto, #7 Yeats, #8 Coastal Path ( also has the ability to win this one). Britannia S, #7 Hurricane Hymnbrook, #19 Bellomi, #14 Redford. The Hampton Court S, #5 Dr Faustus, #8 Kensington Oval, #10 King Of Rome. The King George V. S, #18 Missioner, #7 Allied Powers, #2 Strategic Mission. Don't want to get in a pi*s#!g contest with anyone. But those that don't think Curlin should try and, win the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe is either being selfish from the standpoint that it would be nice to see the rest of his races stateside. Or, you are new to the game and, don't recognize the stature of winning the "Arc". IMHO, the only race that compares with the ARC world wide is the for 3 yr. olds only Kentucky Derby. Maybe some of the owners that post on this site could post their dream list of races to win? All I know is I have been following this game, and old enough to remember, Nijinsky II, Sea Bird, Sir Ivor, Brigadier General, etc. I just think it would be great if Curlin could travel and win Europe's biggest race. For the life of me, I just can't understand how anyone can question Mr Jackson's or Asmussens intentions with this horse. He is at least running as a 4 YEAR OLD! Why not get behind, and support Curlin wherever he runs, rather than question his connections intentions? Curlin has already won the BC, Dubai World Cup, so why not try for a Trifecta that has never happened? I for one enjoy witnessing history being made! Good Luck To All!
Steve T More than 1 year ago
"I am a simple guy and have to many other things going on to be jumping from web-site to web-site and making sure all my differnt accounts are funded,than try to figure out wich tracks i can and cannot play.So I quit betting horses on line and head to the closet otb every once in awhile since it is a hour and a half away." The only place this sport had any growth was in online wagering. This was my point when I said that at some point it becomes "too hard". When someone considers an hour and a half ride to the OTB to be easier than betting online, we got a problem.
SR Vegas More than 1 year ago
Zoobird sniping, bickering, insulting, mean women, here? Annie Oakley...get your Gun if we find any! LOL! Zoobird... I agree that we are all pretty civil here. SR Vegas
Greg More than 1 year ago
svhill, I agree that Curlin has a lot to overcome to win the Arc. A surface we really dont know how he'll handle. He could be a good turf horse and have very little to no shot to win the Arc. Beating the top turf horses in the world at their own game. He'll need to develop a quicker burst and acceleration. With you on all that. But Asmussen DID say they will work him on turf and prep him a few times on turf before the Arc, so it's not going to be a one-shot deal. http://www.drf.com/news/article/95518.html It looks like the Arlington Classic, possibly the Million and they did say he would run in a prep at Longchamp before the Arc. So they're not going to try cold. Won't make it easy, but I think if they're going to do this (and I applaud them for trying), this is the right way to approach it. If he runs bad at Arlington, well there are plenty of races in this country for him to run in.
Justin Zayat More than 1 year ago
Sobhy will be posting shortly about Lamm our baby in Churchill tom.
svhill More than 1 year ago
Here are a couple of Youtube videos of Atticus, since I already brought him up as the world record holder at 1 mile. Yet, he was more than just a turf horse. He won several dirt races as well, including these two. The first is Atticus wiring the field at 9 panels to win the Kentucky Cup Classic in 1996: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zAZz5eVZcE The second video is Atticus winning the Oaklawn handicap at 9 furlongs. He did this from off the pace. Speed and stamina. Since BB's broodmare sire is Nureyev, perhaps this explains why he is so good on dirt and turf. Also note the fractions in the Kentucky Cup Classic (along with Battaglia's whiney pipes). 22.4; 45.3; 1:08.4; 1:34 and 1:47.2 for 9 panels. Sort of Florida Derbyish, eh? 6 panels at 1:08.4 and toys with them in the stretch! Here is the Oaklawn Handicap from off the pace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjLC06oT7g You could tell by Atticus' stride he was first and foremost a turf horse. But he could flat out fly!
svhill More than 1 year ago
Sobhy, Excellent looking colt. Son of El Corridor, eh? That also makes him half-brother to El Gato Malo (the Bad Cat) who is temp. sidelined with an injury but will be back in the fall. EGM also comes running late, his Lone Star Derby finish, and his San Rafael finish, were powerful. EGM almost nailed Col. John in the Sham as well, but we all know how hard those Tiznows are to pass. Since El Corridor was mostly a miler with sprinter's speed, El Gato Malo draws most of his stamina and late speed from his broodmare sire Mountain Cat (whose broodmare sire was a stayer named Key to the Mint- a horse with a confirmed LH-X enlarged heart). I cannot get to a pedigree site right now but would assume that some of Lamm's late speed comes from the broodmare side? Best of luck tommorrow. BTW, are you sure he was a yearling in that one picture? He towers over the gentleman in the picture. He looks at least 2 years old to me there, or the guy is about 4 feet tall.
RocEnite More than 1 year ago
Love all the banter on here.I am heading to the otb today and was lokking for a few thoughts on todays races. Del-Mar,well if they limit the signal i could not care less since they installed poly-crap.I will be playing saratoga anyway.The only meet i play on a daily basis now. With fuel prices and everything else going up and horse racings idea of stick it to the bettor approach,most of my gambling goes to baseball now.I used to play the ponies almost everyday,but now it is a pain in the @$$ to have multiple accounts to play differnt tracks. I am a simple guy and have to many other things going on to be jumping from web-site to web-site and making sure all my differnt accounts are funded,than try to figure out wich tracks i can and cannot play.So I quit betting horses on line and head to the closet otb every once in awhile since it is a hour and a half away.Hope someone can post a few thoughts or picks on todays racing. Roc